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BW Nostalgia Revival: 2002 CompUSA Ladder Replays

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[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-03 05:37:43
August 04 2017 13:12 GMT
#1
VODS:
Being uploaded to: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoPik7NozS9J6iAE5KqAEfw/videos?view=0&shelf_id=0&sort=dd

The Schedule section below will add video links as they are uploaded as well. All audio issues from the first batch of uploads have been fixed!

Overview:

With Starcraft Remastered about to be released, I figured there might be some interest in a new installment of BW Nostalgia! A look into some professional level games from the past... and I mean the distant past. I'm talking about the top players of 2002 when the game was only on patch version 1.09. The focus of this particular installment will be replays from the $20k CompUSA GameFixx ladder. Come join me in learning about all the killer old school strats you can pull up in the graphically updated Starcraft!

As these are my personal replays from this time, they feature myself (Bluewolf) or my younger brother (Wizard) against various other American competitors. Both of us qualified for the bracket stage (top 64), my younger brother finished in 5th place, and he qualified from the USA for the World Cyber Games world finals later that same year.

Schedule:

  1. Tasteless vs Bluewolf on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  2. Day[9] vs Wizard on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  3. Pillars vs Bluewolf on Showdown
    • Recorded VOD

  4. Rekrul vs Wizard on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  5. Yosh vs Wizard on Dire Staits
    • Recorded VOD

  6. Day[9] vs Bluewolf on Proving Grounds
    • Recorded VOD

  7. Froz vs Wizard on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  8. Liquid`Corbalt vs Bluewolf on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  9. Whear vs Wizard on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  10. Scar-The-Feared vs Bluewolf on Medusa
    • Recorded VOD

  11. NvR)jeSteR vs Bluewolf on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  12. Rekrul vs Wizard on Lost Temple
    • Recorded VOD

  13. Day[9] vs Bluewolf on Ashrigo
    • Recorded VOD

  14. CompUSA Grand Finals (first time ever broadcasted with Whear himself as a co-caster): Whear vs SuperCondomUser on Lost Temple
    • Recorded Game 1
    • Recorded Game 2 + interview



Date:
Sunday, August 13th at 1:00 PM EST running until completion.


Final Standings: (Free of Finals Spoilers)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Compusa_20k_Gamefixx


FAQ:
  • What was the CompUSA Gamefixx 20k tournament exactly?
    • Mentioned in the 1.09 patch notes, it was a big deal at the time. Some of its history will be talked about during the broadcast and other bits will come out later after vids of this event are posted. (IE. I'd like to reference footage when talking about its history in a more detailed form).

  • I'm someone who played in this ladder and have a good memory of 2002's BW scene! Could you use some help casting one or more of these games?
    • I could indeed! I'm far from a professional caster and remembering all of the details of 15 years ago is no easy task... so additional help would be appreciated! Send me a PM!

  • The replays you are showing don't have the same handle you have listed in the matches?
    • For various reasons, smurfing was common, with one primary example just being that using a new alias meant no one knew your play style initially. As the ladder progressed, we would all figure out who each other actually was since it was a small scene at this time. A full handle list lookup is posted at the end of this post.

  • Previous BW Nostalgia events (#1, #2, #3) also used replays from other events at the time as well. What about those?
    • Depending on how well this encore event goes, I may do ones that focus on other events I still have replays of in the 2001 - 2002 timeframe. So spread the word around to check this out if you would like to see more of these in the future! For now, limiting it to CompUSA keeps things simple and I don't need to worry about switching BW patch versions.

  • Other questions you might have this hasn't covered?
    • Post them and I'll either respond in the thread or edit the FAQ with the information.

Where To Watch:
https://www.twitch.tv/esportshistorian

Smurf Handle Reference:
+ Show Spoiler +

  • Bluewolf = UJ-Knight
  • Wizard = PoC-Squared
  • Day[9] = SleepingDrone
  • Yosh = Blast.Sharp
  • Pillars = Tel-Aviv
  • Assem = STIM!
  • ilnp = GG12-mockturtle
  • Elky or Kenka = SuperCondomUser (part of the time)

The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
August 04 2017 13:26 GMT
#2
were you playing random back then?? or just race picking
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 04 2017 14:10 GMT
#3
On August 04 2017 22:26 Endymion wrote:
were you playing random back then?? or just race picking


Much like Tasteless at the time, I was primarily a Protoss player that would sometimes pick Random.
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1602 Posts
August 04 2017 14:25 GMT
#4
The nostalgia is real! Lovely post, sir.
res0rt
Profile Joined October 2004
United States41 Posts
August 04 2017 15:05 GMT
#5
Awesome, I'll be looking forward to it!
Your habits create character, and your character is your destiny. What are your habits?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10722 Posts
August 04 2017 15:21 GMT
#6
This is cool, It will be interesting to see how much skill has changed since then.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Jae Zedong
Profile Joined September 2016
407 Posts
August 04 2017 16:15 GMT
#7
Really nice initiative.
Tyrant.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1470 Posts
August 04 2017 16:51 GMT
#8
Will tune in.

Good announcement.
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
August 04 2017 17:39 GMT
#9
How will you make this work? I thought you needed a version switcher to watch old replays, and as far as I know remastered hasn't mentioned anything of sorts?
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[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 20:59:21
August 04 2017 20:59 GMT
#10
On August 05 2017 02:39 B-royal wrote:
How will you make this work? I thought you needed a version switcher to watch old replays, and as far as I know remastered hasn't mentioned anything of sorts?


You are correct that I do not believe it is possible to watch these old replays in the latest Starcraft Remastered codebase. This event will be done in the original Starcraft: Broodwars engine and thus the graphics experience will be the same as when we old geezers first played these games out.

Additionally: this event is happening the day before Starcraft Remastered is released and Blizzard doesn't love me enough to have given me access to the closed beta. :p
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51602 Posts
August 05 2017 02:38 GMT
#11
rekrul as zerg lol
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[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 08 2017 14:52 GMT
#12
A few updates about the event:

CompUSA Gamefixx Wiki Page created
Want to know what the prize breakdown for the event was? Or perhaps where different players ended up finishing? All of those details are now available now at: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Compusa_20k_Gamefixx. Of note, this was an event limited to North America which means you won't find any European or Korean handles there. But it might be interesting to compare the size of the North American competitive scene at this point with that of the upcoming Starcraft: Remastered. Even I'm surprised by how few of us were willing to pony up an entry fee to play in this event as judging by the individual in 100th place on the ladder, there couldn't have been more than 200 total players for the online event.

Oh and I've purposely left who won the finals vague in this wiki page. I'll update the #1 and #2 positions after the grand finals are broadcasted.

FINALS HYPE!
While doing research to refresh my own memory of certain details that occurred, I discovered two of the three replays from the finals still had valid links online. This means that the majority of the grand finals of this event can be broadcast for the first time ever! I'll expand on the player bios for this matchup:

uG)Whear: Despite having represented the United States at three World Cyber Games grand finals (including the very first one held in 2000), this player still doesn't have a Wiki page here on Teamliquid. Those of us who are truly old school remember his name though - and how strong he was among the best of the USA SC:BW gamers at the time. A race picker of a sort, he would play Terran against Protoss and Zerg opponents, but would switch to Protoss against those playing Terran to avoid the mirror matchup.

SuperCondomUser: A 110 APM player by the name of "Kevin" who was never top tier... but he found a shortcut to fix this problem. After a few days of the CompUSA ladder, his APM shot up to the 150 - 200 range with different hotkeys as he had found a non-North American person play for him! Who became the man behind the account was never fully discovered: most evidence pointed to it being Elky and I was absolutely convinced it was him at the time since he had no problem abusing in the KBK Juju ladder a few months prior to this event. Some others claimed it was the Swedish player Kenka based on sources they didn't want to reveal. Regardless of who it was, it was a top tier international player... that was further likely aided by a maphack. A year after this event was when the first programs to detect a maphack in a replay based on a player selecting a building they would not have had vision. This showed SuperCondomUser to have been using such a hack in the grand finals and there was never any pushback of there being some type of detection error.

Conclusion: So that is your matchup from the high stakes finals of this online tournament! One of the best North America had to offer vs one of the better international scene players with their skill augmented by a maphack. Should be some interesting games!

Other Stuff:
  • I was curious as to how many people did maphack in this event but sadly none of the current tools work on the 1.09 replays that I have. At least, all of them claim that there were no hackers out of hundreds of games, which I'm sure is inaccurate. Wasted several hours getting stuff to work since most of these things like BWHF (Brood War Hacker Finder) were coded against 32-bit libraries that were a pain to get to function. Unsure if anyone has a PC with some of the older hack checkers on it that could likely detect clicks under the fog of war in 1.09 replays?

  • Still have no offers for a co-commentator that was around during this time period. Do feel free to PM me in the next day or two if you want to help me with the casting of these games!
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 00:01:39
August 09 2017 00:00 GMT
#13
Maybe day9 Would be interested in watching and casting these games
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Chris_Havoc
Profile Joined August 2016
United States600 Posts
August 09 2017 00:09 GMT
#14
On August 09 2017 09:00 XenOsky- wrote:
Maybe day9 Would be interested in watching and casting these games


Not possible if it's on the 13th. Day9 is currently busy hosting Dota 2's The International 2017 in Seattle.
Owner of the SC2 Esports Anthology channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2EsportsAnthology
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
August 09 2017 00:37 GMT
#15
who are these nubs
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-09 03:30:36
August 09 2017 03:27 GMT
#16
While I'm sure all these guys could have easily destroyed my noob D+ ass with their 2002 skill level playing with one hand, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess these games are all strategically hilarious like the TheBOy vs Grrrr... showmatches.

Old school SC before oov is funny because everyone tried to be like Michael Jordan and do all kinds and-1 fancy micro instead of being like Yao Ming and expanding faster making tons of units.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10036 Posts
August 09 2017 04:01 GMT
#17
Does anyone have this classic rep?

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[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 11 2017 22:36 GMT
#18
A test broadcast will be done tomorrow, Saturday at 7:00 PM EST. It will contain one or two short games. If you want to give feedback on audio / video quality and the broadcast overlay at that time, I'd appreciate it!

Additionally, I got in contact with Whear who had retired in 2003. He is willing to give casting of his finals games with me a try and give his insight into the 2002 BW scene at the time. Recording those games ahead of time to meet his schedule and not a guaranteed thing until late tomorrow since I'll give him final say on using the footage.

Thanks!
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 13 2017 15:01 GMT
#19
One last reminder about this event that starts two hours from this post at 1:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time! Don't miss out on seeing the game as it was a whopping 15 years ago!

Included will indeed be the first time the grand finals of the 2002 CompUSA $20k Gamefixx has ever been broadcasted! One of the two original finalists (Whear) kindly co-casted the games with me yesterday and gave a brief interview. Tune in to see what strats won the very lucrative for its time $10,000.00 grand prize!
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
August 13 2017 16:41 GMT
#20
Looks fun, will tune in!
ॐ
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 13 2017 16:55 GMT
#21
haha if you only knew what became of DreaMe :D
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 13 2017 16:56 GMT
#22
On August 14 2017 01:55 ROOTFayth wrote:
haha if you only knew what became of DreaMe :D

I recall that name. Wasn't he a big clanhopper?
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ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 13 2017 17:00 GMT
#23
I'm not sure about the clan hopping

http://neillyaa.liquidpoker.net/ you can read his blogposts here, its quite entertaining
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
August 13 2017 17:12 GMT
#24
On August 14 2017 02:00 ROOTFayth wrote:
I'm not sure about the clan hopping

http://neillyaa.liquidpoker.net/ you can read his blogposts here, its quite entertaining

Oh my, he was NeillyAA? Oh boy, what a gambler he was.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
August 13 2017 17:37 GMT
#25
Those builds :D
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
August 13 2017 22:41 GMT
#26
Grand finals co-casted with Whear are live right now! Find out who won $10k and with what strats!
The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
August 13 2017 23:37 GMT
#27
What I like about these old games is how they are more similar to how I used to play vs friends back in the day.
Slower expanding, crazy convoluted battle plans, etc.
So fun.
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-13 23:45:05
August 13 2017 23:44 GMT
#28
thx for the casts!

Also wow NeillyAA, blast from the past. What a degenerate gambler. Hope he's still alive somewhere!
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
August 13 2017 23:50 GMT
#29
Randomly tuned with a faint hope of seeing the gameplay live but only got to the interview. It was surprisingly pretty interesting. Also an ex-gamer recalling stuff from 15 years ago showing to his parents he won against a guy named SuperCondomUser lmao
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-14 00:24:48
August 14 2017 00:04 GMT
#30
I wanna see the games with z7-wizard.

Edit:o shit i missed it, where can i watch the vod of the broadcast?
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[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-14 00:35:02
August 14 2017 00:33 GMT
#31
On August 14 2017 09:04 ReachTheSky wrote:
I wanna see the games with z7-wizard.

Edit:o shit i missed it, where can i watch the vod of the broadcast?


VODs will be up by tomorrow at this Youtube Channel. The current planned order of upload is the Whear vs SuperCondomUser grand finals bit to be completed in the next few hours (will reply when that is available since it was the best bit) and then followed by the order the games were broadcasted in the OP schedule.

+ Show Spoiler +

The Wizard games are useful for discovering how to get good at video games though.
+ Show Spoiler +

It's all about having the right pants.[image loading]

The melody of logic always plays the notes of truth.
[-Bluewolf-]
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States609 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-16 00:24:24
August 14 2017 13:05 GMT
#32
Final Main Updates:
  1. The CompUSA Gamefixx grand finals recording are up! Extra special thanks to Dan "Whear" Murphy for coming out of his 2003 retirement to co-cast these with me. These games are the best of the entire livestream series and have huge stakes on the line with the winner taking home $10,000.00 in this 2002 tournament. If you can only see one or two games from 15 years ago, see these!
    • Game 1 on Lost Temple
    • Game 2 on Lost Temple + interview

  2. Other VODs will be uploaded to the eSports Historian YouTube channel throughout today. I'll also be updating the original post's schedule with links to specific games as they are made available. For now, the first two games of Tasteless vs [-Bluewolf-] and Day[9] vs Wizard are available and check the first opening post later for more!

  3. The event had a viewer high of 74 people interested in the ancient eSports scene. The average viewer count was 53 over the entire 6 hour and 45 minute duration.
    • The numbers didn't real matter that much as it was a passion event and I was happy to revive this forgotten event. At the same time, such a thing like this will be rare since it doesn't seem that there is a huge existing interest in the really old eSports games. At least, for those casted by myself, as I do admit I'm a pretty bad solo caster. :p

    • Feel free to subscribe to the eSports Historian Twitch channel or the Youtube channel if you are interested in old eSports content though! I won't be using either source for my own personal streaming so the only activity at those places will be these types of events when the do occur.

    • At some point in the next month or two, I'll likely add the following to the Youtube channel:
      • A short summary video of the CompUSA Gamefixx $20k online competition and their followup MillionManLan event. This look into that history will reference games that were recorded for footage.

      • A video about an ESPN event held in 2000 in coordination with another now defunct retailer: Circuit City. This one isn't Starcraft related but was, I believe, the first time ESPN broadcasted an eSports event that has also been lost to time. In fact, the top 3 took home official Winter X Games medals that those in the Winter X Games community are certain don't actually exist. (The second place finisher tried to sell his Silver medal several years ago but eBay removed the listing after too many reports that no such medal existed and forums he tried to sell it on echoed that conclusion). I have the recording of the original broadcast and a bunch of other things saved from it (my brother and I competed in a lot of American eSports back in the day 0.o) which I think could make an interesting topic.


That wraps it up! Hope to see you all in Starcraft: Remastered and may stream some games eventually on my personal Twitch channel. Thanks again for everyone who tuned in and thanks to Teamliquid for running an awesome community site that let me post such an event here! Feel free to let me know if there are any improvements you would like to see to this type of event in the future. Take care!
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