What's the build order for Effort's zvt noob build? Is it:
12 hatch, 12 pool
15 hatch
16 extractor
lair, evo chamber, 2nd extractor
carapace as soon as evo chamber is done
? den when lair is still building?
? spire when lair is done, just to trick the Terran
lair done- build three expos and research lurkers (how does he afford that?)
spire done- morph 9 hydras
? early queen's nest, hive, fast ultras

something like that?

Shinokuki

United States923 Posts

June 13 2017 03:00 GMT

#166

On June 13 2017 11:43 Luddite wrote:
What's the build order for Effort's zvt noob build? Is it:
12 hatch, 12 pool
15 hatch
16 extractor
lair, evo chamber, 2nd extractor
carapace as soon as evo chamber is done
? den when lair is still building?
? spire when lair is done, just to trick the Terran
lair done- build three expos and research lurkers (how does he afford that?)
spire done- morph 9 hydras
? early queen's nest, hive, fast ultras

something like that?

it's in order of

12 hatch
11pool
13 hatch
15g
lair
ling speed
spire
drones and 12 lings until 35 psi
11 mutas + hydra den
lurk up + queen's nest
hive chamber
your style!!

1a2a3aPro

Canada227 Posts

June 13 2017 03:53 GMT

#167

On June 11 2017 00:21 zeta wrote:
are there any protoss videos in the backlog that we can look forward to?

Just seconding this request for a bit more Protoss content, now that we have a lot more Z and T. Understand translator may be working on other things right now. Appreciate the content/effort, thanks again

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

June 13 2017 04:44 GMT

#168

On June 13 2017 12:00 Shinokuki wrote:

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it's in order of

12 hatch
11pool
13 hatch
15g
lair
ling speed
spire
drones and 12 lings until 35 psi
11 mutas + hydra den
lurk up + queen's nest
hive chamber
your style!!

No yours seems too "normal". I guess I was combining a few in my head, so maybe it's not one specific build order but a multiple things he does to mess with noobs. In 3-1 he built just 1 muta, then after scouting the terran base he took 3 expos, skipped lurkers completely, and defended with just upgraded zerglings. In another video he built the spire in a place where it would get scouted while also building a hydra den, and morphed 9 hydras as soon as it finished to fake out the Terran.

They seem like strategies designed to minimize the necessary micro and get fast ultras.

AxOEclipse

United States18 Posts

June 13 2017 20:46 GMT

#169

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12 HATCH/SCOUT (OPPOSITE OF OVERLORD)
11 POOL
13 MACRO HATCH
16 GAS
16 CREEP COLONY
16 OVERLORD
21 LAIR
21 EVO CHAMBER
23 GAS (NATURAL)
24 OVERLORD
@100 EVO - ARMOR UPGRADE
27 CREEP COLONY X2
@100% LAIR - SPIRE
31 CREEP COLONY
32 OVERLORD X2
@100% SPIRE - 1 MUTA (SCOUT)
43 CREEP COLONY
SEND 1 DRONE EXPO
41 EVO CHAMBER/QUEENS NEST
47 HATCH IN BASE
START ZERGLING PRODUCTION
@100% QUEENS NEST - HIVE
- UPGRADE ARMOR #2
- UPGRADE MELEE ATTACK
47 SEND DRONES ACROSS MAP (EXPO X3)
~51 EXPO X3
@100% HIVE - ULTRA CAVERN/CRACKLING UPGRADE
@100% ULTRA - ARMOR UPGRADE->SPEED UPGRADE

@Luddite These are the notes I got from the fast ultra build

Netto.

Poland523 Posts

June 13 2017 21:41 GMT

#170

On June 14 2017 05:46 AxOEclipse wrote:
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@Luddite These are the notes I got from the fast ultra build

I think you forgot about ling speed in your notes my friend.

AxOEclipse

United States18 Posts

June 14 2017 01:04 GMT

#171

On June 14 2017 06:41 Netto. wrote:

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I think you forgot about ling speed in your notes my friend.

Here the updated notes with ling speed lul

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12 HATCH/SCOUT (OPPOSITE OF OVERLORD)
11 POOL
13 MACRO HATCH
16 GAS
16 CREEP COLONY
16 OVERLORD
21 LAIR
21 EVO CHAMBER
23 GAS (NATURAL)
24 OVERLORD
@100 EVO - ARMOR UPGRADE
27 CREEP COLONY X2
@100% LAIR - SPIRE
31 CREEP COLONY
32 OVERLORD X2
~35 LING SPEED
@100% SPIRE - 1 MUTA (SCOUT)
43 CREEP COLONY
SEND 1 DRONE EXPO
41 EVO CHAMBER/QUEENS NEST
47 HATCH IN BASE
START ZERGLING PRODUCTION
@100% QUEENS NEST - HIVE
- UPGRADE ARMOR #2
- UPGRADE MELEE ATTACK
47 SEND DRONES ACROSS MAP (EXPO X3)
~51 EXPO X3
@100% HIVE - ULTRA CAVERN/CRACKLING UPGRADE
@100% ULTRA - ARMOR UPGRADE->SPEED UPGRADE

Alpha-NP-

United States1242 Posts

June 15 2017 17:33 GMT

#172

I watched and enjoyed the 2 Protoss videos. I just wish there were more. Can anyone find more protoss vids?

zeta

6 Posts

June 15 2017 18:05 GMT

#173

seems like stork has three more lecture videos on his youtube:

1)

LaStScan

Korea (South)1289 Posts

June 15 2017 18:24 GMT

#174

quite not sure what people are talking about effort zvt noob builds, but here's a recommend video from my lecture of ZvT. This was the trend before FlaSh came back to BW in 2015.
It is still relevant b.o(textbook lecture) because if you are constantly doing @2:40 gas, terran can play a different style to torture you down.

ZvT Optimized 3 Hatchery Opening (2015)
Build Order Description
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12 Hatchery
13 Spawning Pool
14 Hatchery
14 Gas
at 16, make ONLY 6 zerglings

Once you started making mutalisks, keep up having a lot of zerglings(Max 24 zerglings).
3 Hydralisks at your 3rd base and 3 Sunken Colonies for your natural.

KameZerg

Sweden1767 Posts

June 15 2017 18:44 GMT

#175

Update your blog with more Zerg please

Alpha-NP-

United States1242 Posts

June 15 2017 20:35 GMT

#176

Hats off to you frogmelter. Just read the whole thread. Awesome iniative hiring translators with donations!

frogmelter

United States971 Posts

June 15 2017 21:43 GMT

#177

On June 16 2017 03:44 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Update your blog with more Zerg please

Translator said he should be done with the 3 hour translation today so we should have 3 more hours of zerg content.

On June 16 2017 03:05 zeta wrote:
seems like stork has three more lecture videos on his youtube:

Thanks buddy, added.

aFF]ZuluNAtion[

Poland173 Posts

June 17 2017 08:28 GMT

#178

So much translated protoss videos

oh wait.

Kadungon

41 Posts

June 17 2017 11:20 GMT

#179

I saw some of these translated videos. People always talk about that Korean language users know so much more. While they are very cool and surely helpful, I do get a bit of a feeling that the players only win because they outplay mechanically and that their advice translates poorly to lower levels. Especially in one series by Flash or Sea? He kept getting cheesed in different ways while claiming his build was save to the cheese he was facing. And then even with his micro, he lost. And the game he won, he also got outplayed BO/strategy wise, but just made up for it with multitasking.

zeta

6 Posts

June 17 2017 16:46 GMT

#180

On June 16 2017 06:43 frogmelter wrote:

Thanks buddy, added.

seems like video 1) from my post is missing in the OP from the list of untranslated stork videos