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On June 17 2017 20:20 Kadungon wrote:
I saw some of these translated videos. People always talk about that Korean language users know so much more. While they are very cool and surely helpful, I do get a bit of a feeling that the players only win because they outplay mechanically and that their advice translates poorly to lower levels. Especially in one series by Flash or Sea? He kept getting cheesed in different ways while claiming his build was save to the cheese he was facing. And then even with his micro, he lost. And the game he won, he also got outplayed BO/strategy wise, but just made up for it with multitasking.
The point is accumulate knowledge. Only once a player has the knowledge can they actually make use of their mechanics. It's like step 1 and step 2 of git gud.
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Updated with another video for you guys. Enjoy. [My translator said that there are repeating parts on this video so those parts aren't subbed.]
On June 18 2017 01:46 zeta wrote:seems like video 1) from my post is missing in the OP from the list of untranslated stork videos
Yeah, I tried to add it but the link isn't turning into a video. A bug perhaps...? 
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I think there may be a limit to the number of videos postable in one post, or something like that.
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so the three hour video ended up being about half the length, the rest was just repeats...
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On June 16 2017 03:24 LaStScan wrote:quite not sure what people are talking about effort zvt noob builds, but here's a recommend video from my lecture of ZvT. This was the trend before FlaSh came back to BW in 2015. It is still relevant b.o(textbook lecture) because if you are constantly doing @2:40 gas, terran can play a different style to torture you down. ZvT Optimized 3 Hatchery Opening (2015)Build Order Description + Show Spoiler +12 Hatchery
13 Spawning Pool
14 Hatchery
14 Gas
at 16, make ONLY 6 zerglings Once you started making mutalisks, keep up having a lot of zerglings(Max 24 zerglings). 3 Hydralisks at your 3rd base and 3 Sunken Colonies for your natural.
He made a lot of comments in zvt videos that were translated like:
"With my build, zvt is easy"
"See my build makes it so easy"
"F rank Terrans can't defeat my build"
etc. Maybe him just being cocky/trolling but it made me think he had some specific build order that he was teaching. But looking at it again, he was clearly doing very different builds (sometimes muta, sometimes lurkers, and in one video he just made zerglings and one muta).
The thing they all had in common was a fast +1 carapace, and a simplified midgame (just mutas into hive, or just lurkers into hive, instead of the standard mutas->lurkers->hive). For noobs like me it's really nice to have lings that don't die instantly to marines, and a less complex build order to follow. It gives me a lot more time to just focus on the basics of macro. I'm sure your build is better overall, but for me, following Effort's style turned ZvT from my worst matchup into my best.
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On June 17 2017 20:20 Kadungon wrote:
I saw some of these translated videos. People always talk about that Korean language users know so much more. While they are very cool and surely helpful, I do get a bit of a feeling that the players only win because they outplay mechanically and that their advice translates poorly to lower levels. Especially in one series by Flash or Sea? He kept getting cheesed in different ways while claiming his build was save to the cheese he was facing. And then even with his micro, he lost. And the game he won, he also got outplayed BO/strategy wise, but just made up for it with multitasking.
They might not have a great sense of what F-rank players know and don't know-they're just used to playing top level players all the time. And some of their opponents are watching them stream, or getting help from the stream viewers...
Effort seems to have the best sense of what lower-level players actually know, and how they think.
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Was the terran in Effort's last game in that 1-1 video (the long game) better than average? Or was Effort just showboating too much? I know he's keeping his APM low, but It still seemed really difficult for him to defend and he came awfully close to losing several times.
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Link to the video in a spoiler with a time offset (makes it easier for people to answer your question)
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On June 19 2017 06:51 CecilSunkure wrote:
Link to the video in a spoiler with a time offset (makes it easier for people to answer your question)
This is the beginning of the game I was talking about:
+ Show Spoiler +
I guess it's the same opponent as in the other games but for some reason he seemed way better in that one.
Effort kept saying like "you can do this, you can all do this" but... I don't think I can defend an expansion indefinitely like that with near-perfect defiler usage.
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On June 19 2017 10:13 Luddite wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 06:51 CecilSunkure wrote:
Link to the video in a spoiler with a time offset (makes it easier for people to answer your question) This is the beginning of the game I was talking about: + Show Spoiler +I guess it's the same opponent as in the other games but for some reason he seemed way better in that one. Effort kept saying like "you can do this, you can all do this" but... I don't think I can defend an expansion indefinitely like that with near-perfect defiler usage.
At 2:26:40, there's a subtitle that says the terran had his D-rank brother play for a while that game.
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On June 19 2017 10:18 Flameling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 10:13 Luddite wrote:On June 19 2017 06:51 CecilSunkure wrote:
Link to the video in a spoiler with a time offset (makes it easier for people to answer your question) This is the beginning of the game I was talking about: + Show Spoiler +I guess it's the same opponent as in the other games but for some reason he seemed way better in that one. Effort kept saying like "you can do this, you can all do this" but... I don't think I can defend an expansion indefinitely like that with near-perfect defiler usage. At 2:26:40, there's a subtitle that says the terran had his D-rank brother play for a while that game.
I think that's effort trolling the Terran.
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Oh you're right. Hmm, it is strange though that he played much better in the last game.
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lol I couldn't believe Effort won that game. I also love how close it is and every time Effort is like "see how easy it is?" Efforts videos legit make me laugh, his trolling is funny.
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Any more in the works? No pressure, these are great and looking forward to more
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Keep the donations going guys. I would love to see some more protoss content too.
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On June 22 2017 12:58 IShowUMagic wrote:
Keep the donations going guys. I would love to see some more protoss content too.
Which videos in particular? I can arrange a specific set of video/videos for you.
On June 22 2017 12:49 -Frog- wrote:
Any more in the works? No pressure, these are great and looking forward to more
Apologies, I got super busy with a side business these past few weeks. I'll try to get whatever IShowUMagic wants translated. I'll update with a timeline after I get it commissioned. Thanks for the patience.
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Not sure if there is mutual interest between all parties, but there are Director Commentaries from the Boxer DVD with Boxer, Um Jae-kyung and Kim Carry that might be interesting to subtitle? I know a bit of Korean to get the flow of the conversation, but there are a lot of nuances here and there that make it hard to follow.
Would be cool for history buffs such as myself, but not something of urgency.
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On June 28 2017 19:26 GTR wrote:Not sure if there is mutual interest between all parties, but there are Director Commentaries from the Boxer DVD with Boxer, Um Jae-kyung and Kim Carry that might be interesting to subtitle? I know a bit of Korean to get the flow of the conversation, but there are a lot of nuances here and there that make it hard to follow. Would be cool for history buffs such as myself, but not something of urgency.
While that would be great, I really really hope we get a solid base of gameplay vods first.
Protoss department is heavily lacking.
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Anybody donated for Protoss videos recently?
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Protoss officially the poorest Kappa
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