EPTOn May 02 2017 08:52 K.H.J wrote:
In camelot, JD get only 6 wins from 39 games(vsT)
Well...
In camelot, JD get only 6 wins from 39 games(vsT)
Well...
What... that's crazy.
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JungleTerrain
Chile799 Posts
What... that's crazy. | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
It's a pretty lame map. Zerg can often times just barely hold a 3rd on other maps, on Camelot it's impossible. There aren't any expansions with ramps that you can block with 2 Lurker eggs + 1 more Egg in the back that hatches first to cover the first 2 when they hatch. The corners can be blocked with 4 (3 on the ramp 1 to cover the other 3). But it's still hard to hold since the ramp is so large, and that's assuming you can find the gas for 1 extra lurker. On May 02 2017 08:58 Trozz wrote: Will that map be pulled? Have things ever been this bad? Rough situation. I seriously doubt Camelot will be back after this ASL unless major revisions are made. Similarly I hope Outsider and Andromeda don't make another appearance either (again, unless major revisions are made). Maps that greatly favor one race like Outsider (Zerg) or Camelot (Terran) are lame, in my opinion. Sometimes they can produce good games but most of the time they're just free wins to whatever race the map is favored towards. Or it forces the other, not-favored races to do some crazy all-in. Slightly favored may be alright but maps like Camelot and Outsider really aren't. That's just what I think though. | ||
EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On May 02 2017 09:19 HalcyonRain wrote: It's a pretty lame map. Zerg can often times just barely hold a 3rd on other maps, on Camelot it's impossible. There aren't any expansions with ramps that you can block with 2 Lurker eggs + 1 more Egg in the back that hatches first to cover the first 2 when they hatch. The corners can be blocked with 4 (3 on the ramp 1 to cover the other 3). But it's still hard to hold since the ramp is so large, and that's assuming you can find the gas for 1 extra lurker. I seriously doubt Camelot will be back after this ASL unless major revisions are made. Similarly I hope Outsider and Andromeda don't make another appearance either (again, unless major revisions are made). Maps that greatly favor one race like Outsider (Zerg) or Camelot (Terran) are lame, in my opinion. Sometimes they can produce good games but most of the time they're just free wins to whatever race the map is favored towards. Or it forces the other, not-favored races to do some crazy all-in. Slightly favored may be alright but maps like Camelot and Outsider really aren't. That's just what I think though. To quote Day9: "You can win on any map ONCE" I think the Shine vs Flash game was an excellent example of a well-prepared strategy that would have outright killed any lesser Terran player. Unfortunately, Flash is just the best, so somehow he survived and rekt Shine in the end. I think that even though there are really difficult maps for certain races, it's not impossible for players to outplay their opponents with a better strategy, even if it's extremely difficult. That's the beauty of this game. (But noted, I don't really want to see Camelot again either haha). | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
I hope that effort and soulkey give us answer about Camelot. The only thing i worried is ZvsZ in camelot. lol | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 02 2017 10:29 K.H.J wrote: I will go AfreecaTV Studio to see ASL today. I hope that effort and soulkey give us answer about Camelot. The only thing i worried is ZvsZ in camelot. lol make a sign that says K.H.J. is here! in english so we see you! lol. | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
On May 02 2017 10:40 BigFan wrote: make a sign that says K.H.J. is here! in english so we see you! lol. Well, i wrote it, but it didnt be streamed lol | ||
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K.H.J
Korea (South)769 Posts
He will prepare ASL. | ||
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RedW4rr10r
Switzerland746 Posts
On May 04 2017 00:17 K.H.J wrote: JD wii not stream on sunday ane monday.(KST) He will prepare ASL. Hopefully preparing some sneaky badass strategies :-D Definitely looking forward to his matches! | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
edit: HOLY FUCK THAT GAME WAS GOOD | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
The mass queens were pretty sexy. The flanks were amazing. Defiler usage, mass muta switch... and even then didn't know how it would end | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
This game right after on CB was also a HOLY SHIT game, but not as good as the one on camelot. It must be extremely exhausting to play these games. Definitely god-tier performance right there. | ||
HaN-
France1920 Posts
Edit: video blocked due to copyright TT | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On May 04 2017 04:14 HaN- wrote: Here is the game vs Skyhigh. Edit: video blocked due to copyright TT Should be on Afreeca.tv here http://afreeca.tv/36885456/v/67411 The game I mentioned is at 5:02 MUST WATCH IMO | ||
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LocoBolon
Argentina243 Posts
On May 04 2017 05:06 duke91 wrote: Should be on Afreeca.tv here http://afreeca.tv/36885456/v/67411 The game I mentioned is at 5:02 MUST WATCH IMO Very good game! It's nice to see JD trying some new stuff to take 3rd asap in zvt, I'm pretty omtimistic they eventually gona find a way to somehow punish the 5 barrack into mech. The way I see it the main problems with the zvt nowadays for Z is the ridiculous cost/effectiveness of mines and the difficulties of getting a 3rd gas on time. I think it is easier and more essential to work on the 3rd gas issue that the mines one for the moment. Im looking forward for a winners match JD vs Last on Camelot for group D so bad, I bet JD is thinking and thinking over again about that game even when he sleeps. For sure that is going to be a true challenge for the Tyrant (still can't forget JD's face when Ssak picked Last for the group D, kind of "is this guy fucking retarded or what O.O?", I know JD, I felt the same way...). Anyway, until some sort of solid meta appears to consistenly deal with those issues I'm pretty JD gona have to rely on a very crazy build involving early lurkers and not mutas for that winners game (in case it happens), as Shine so brillantly did against Flash... can't wait! | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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JungleTerrain
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
ZvT on Camelot seems so hard. | ||
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CUTtheCBC
Canada91 Posts
On May 04 2017 11:41 JungleTerrain wrote: Hopefully the top zergs are getting together and really trying to find a solution to the difficulties in the current tvz matchup. I want a Bisu revolution-like moment with Zerg! BW is 20+ years old now.. there ain't gonna be some new tech uncovered in the first few minutes of a game. Mapmakers need to step in, like they have throughout BW history.. | ||
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Lachrymose
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