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Flash's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4TDU9SEVB0EgslnTI2O9IQ

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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8894 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-14 11:30:11
March 14 2016 11:29 GMT
#1581
On March 14 2016 16:57 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes.
bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work


If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.

yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 14 2016 12:31 GMT
#1582
On March 14 2016 20:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 16:57 kogeT wrote:
On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes.
bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work


If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.

yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)


No. I would never play 14cc if I know i'm much better.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 14 2016 12:47 GMT
#1583
Btw. does Flash also practice while not streaming, or he only streams/plays Tue/Thu/Sun? That would be even more impressive if he's able to kill everyone with so little practice..
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
March 14 2016 13:16 GMT
#1584
He practices, I've seen his account online at times when he's not streaming.
new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 14 2016 14:28 GMT
#1585
On March 14 2016 20:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2016 16:57 kogeT wrote:
On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes.
bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work


If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.

yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)


Sorry you would never beat Flash if you are a C+ player. I don't care if you go under different ID's and play him 10-20 times in a row.

That's like me playing versus a silver/gold/ in sc2, no matter what they do I will not lose the game versus a player that far below me. Skill gap too big, you may think you could beat him doing a proxy 2 gate or something, but you wouldn't .
When I think of something else, something will go here
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
March 14 2016 15:02 GMT
#1586
On March 14 2016 22:16 B-royal wrote:
He practices, I've seen his account online at times when he's not streaming.

well not much, or he uses different account. Timena games are on stream mostly now
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
March 14 2016 15:05 GMT
#1587
Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-14 19:36:49
March 14 2016 15:24 GMT
#1588
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D


Flash vs Infernal
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
March 14 2016 19:09 GMT
#1589
what kind of link is it?
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany912 Posts
March 14 2016 19:22 GMT
#1590
He messed it up, you have to quote him to find the url.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 14 2016 19:37 GMT
#1591
Sorry, fixed!
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
March 15 2016 00:23 GMT
#1592
On March 15 2016 00:24 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D


Flash vs Infernal


That reminds me, inspired by the Erdos number: My Flash number is 2
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
March 15 2016 01:24 GMT
#1593
To those saying you'll be able to take a game off Flash by cheesing, you're so wrong. The only reason Flash seems greedy on stream is cause he's playing high level players who he knows they are less likely to cheese and he'll be able to get away with a greedier build.

If he was playing anyone below A level I'm pretty sure he would go for a safe build every single game, scout early and beat every cheese attempt.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8894 Posts
March 15 2016 04:48 GMT
#1594
you guys take everything so literally. all of you are saying this under the assumption that flash knows the level of his opponent for all the games they play, and that the opponent is going to try and cheese in every game they play.
thats not the scenario im talking about.
fuck the ifs and buts of whether the scenario would even occur in the first place, if flash ever got caught out by doing some greedy build whilst a c+ player was proxy 2 gating or some other cheese, flash would lose full stop. even in the best case scenario where flash miraculously defends the zealots, the moment the first dragoon comes knocking theres nothing even he can do.
i mean i expect a c+ player to be able to macro out of 2 gates and not get supply blocked whilst putting up bare minimum tech. or is this too unrealistic of an expectation
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
March 15 2016 05:32 GMT
#1595
BO-win is not a win per se, you still need to close the game out. Progamers recover from unwinnable positions in games vs other pros, so regular C+ would get shit on no doubt.
Michael Probu
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 06:55:20
March 15 2016 06:54 GMT
#1596
On March 15 2016 00:24 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote:
Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D


Flash vs Infernal


Huh, apparently Infernal is as good as BeSt.
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 11:13:16
March 15 2016 11:13 GMT
#1597
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
March 15 2016 12:59 GMT
#1598
Wasn't he supposed to stream today?
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
WinterViewbot420
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
345 Posts
March 15 2016 13:06 GMT
#1599
On March 15 2016 21:59 kogeT wrote:
Wasn't he supposed to stream today?

My clan leader said he's streaming tomorrow, didn't say why
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 14:18:50
March 15 2016 14:14 GMT
#1600
On March 15 2016 13:48 evilfatsh1t wrote:
you guys take everything so literally. all of you are saying this under the assumption that flash knows the level of his opponent for all the games they play, and that the opponent is going to try and cheese in every game they play.
thats not the scenario im talking about.
fuck the ifs and buts of whether the scenario would even occur in the first place, if flash ever got caught out by doing some greedy build whilst a c+ player was proxy 2 gating or some other cheese, flash would lose full stop. even in the best case scenario where flash miraculously defends the zealots, the moment the first dragoon comes knocking theres nothing even he can do.
i mean i expect a c+ player to be able to macro out of 2 gates and not get supply blocked whilst putting up bare minimum tech. or is this too unrealistic of an expectation


I mean you are assuming he plays vs a random opponent the same way as he plays vs a player he knows is a (ex)-progamer.

Now the hypothetical situation that flash does 14cc vs an unscouted dual proxy until the zealots are at his base:

I still think there is a good possibility that he does not right out die using good simcity and good scv micro vs bad zealot micro (but who knows). And if does not right out die but is very behind, thats nothing flash can't overcome vs a C+ player.

The initial statement that flash never builds turrets and would just die to a random C player going DTs. Do you really think flash just randomly skips turrets and does not base that on scouting intel / timing of nexus / goon count. ( i know the person I quoted didnt made that statement and the last part is not necessarily directed at him)

I mean players like shuttle actually really like shuttle play. And reavers from shuttle with speed upgrade are far more dangerous that anything a C+ player could throw at flash.



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