On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote: id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes. bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work
If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.
yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)
On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote: id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes. bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work
If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.
yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)
No. I would never play 14cc if I know i'm much better.
Btw. does Flash also practice while not streaming, or he only streams/plays Tue/Thu/Sun? That would be even more impressive if he's able to kill everyone with so little practice..
On March 14 2016 13:53 evilfatsh1t wrote: id put money on myself to take a game off flash through means of various cheese rushes. bbs, 4 pool or proxy 2 gate. eventually one of those cheese rushes will work
If I would be Flash playing you I would just always play safe builds and you would never win with a cheese.
yeah but you wouldnt know id cheese you every time. statistically speaking if i played 10~20 games against him under different ids, there has to be at least a couple of games where the build order advantage ends up like 2 proxy gate vs 14cc or someshit. you cant win those even if youre flash. its not like a c+ player doesnt know how to do basic micro and not get supply blocked. (or maybe im overestimating a c+ player and they really dont)
Sorry you would never beat Flash if you are a C+ player. I don't care if you go under different ID's and play him 10-20 times in a row.
That's like me playing versus a silver/gold/ in sc2, no matter what they do I will not lose the game versus a player that far below me. Skill gap too big, you may think you could beat him doing a proxy 2 gate or something, but you wouldn't .
Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote: Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote: Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D
To those saying you'll be able to take a game off Flash by cheesing, you're so wrong. The only reason Flash seems greedy on stream is cause he's playing high level players who he knows they are less likely to cheese and he'll be able to get away with a greedier build.
If he was playing anyone below A level I'm pretty sure he would go for a safe build every single game, scout early and beat every cheese attempt.
you guys take everything so literally. all of you are saying this under the assumption that flash knows the level of his opponent for all the games they play, and that the opponent is going to try and cheese in every game they play. thats not the scenario im talking about. fuck the ifs and buts of whether the scenario would even occur in the first place, if flash ever got caught out by doing some greedy build whilst a c+ player was proxy 2 gating or some other cheese, flash would lose full stop. even in the best case scenario where flash miraculously defends the zealots, the moment the first dragoon comes knocking theres nothing even he can do. i mean i expect a c+ player to be able to macro out of 2 gates and not get supply blocked whilst putting up bare minimum tech. or is this too unrealistic of an expectation
BO-win is not a win per se, you still need to close the game out. Progamers recover from unwinnable positions in games vs other pros, so regular C+ would get shit on no doubt.
On March 15 2016 00:05 Holgerius wrote: Btw, does anyone remember that game with Flash vs Infernal (who was one of the absolutely best foreign PvTers at the time), when Flash toyed with him and literally killed him using only dropship play? :D
On March 15 2016 13:48 evilfatsh1t wrote: you guys take everything so literally. all of you are saying this under the assumption that flash knows the level of his opponent for all the games they play, and that the opponent is going to try and cheese in every game they play. thats not the scenario im talking about. fuck the ifs and buts of whether the scenario would even occur in the first place, if flash ever got caught out by doing some greedy build whilst a c+ player was proxy 2 gating or some other cheese, flash would lose full stop. even in the best case scenario where flash miraculously defends the zealots, the moment the first dragoon comes knocking theres nothing even he can do. i mean i expect a c+ player to be able to macro out of 2 gates and not get supply blocked whilst putting up bare minimum tech. or is this too unrealistic of an expectation
I mean you are assuming he plays vs a random opponent the same way as he plays vs a player he knows is a (ex)-progamer.
Now the hypothetical situation that flash does 14cc vs an unscouted dual proxy until the zealots are at his base:
I still think there is a good possibility that he does not right out die using good simcity and good scv micro vs bad zealot micro (but who knows). And if does not right out die but is very behind, thats nothing flash can't overcome vs a C+ player.
The initial statement that flash never builds turrets and would just die to a random C player going DTs. Do you really think flash just randomly skips turrets and does not base that on scouting intel / timing of nexus / goon count. ( i know the person I quoted didnt made that statement and the last part is not necessarily directed at him)
I mean players like shuttle actually really like shuttle play. And reavers from shuttle with speed upgrade are far more dangerous that anything a C+ player could throw at flash.
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