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TheGreatOne
United States534 Posts
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WinterViewbot420
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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On March 04 2016 05:01 Assault_1 wrote: I really thing terran is the strongest race, a protoss would never be able to dominate like Flash does if flash played protoss, he would | ||
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WinterViewbot420
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On March 04 2016 05:01 Assault_1 wrote: I really thing terran is the strongest race, a protoss would never be able to dominate like Flash does Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but P>T>Z>P has been something everybody has agreed on for like 15 years, right? | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:36 WinterViewbot420 wrote: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but P>T>Z>P has been something everybody has agreed on for like 15 years, right? Most Bonjwas were terran. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:36 WinterViewbot420 wrote: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but P>T>Z>P has been something everybody has agreed on for like 15 years, right? The magnitude of imbalance is the least between the protoss and the terran race out of all the match-ups. | ||
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WinterViewbot420
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On March 04 2016 05:44 Letmelose wrote: The magnitude of imbalance is the least between the protoss and the terran race out of all the match-ups. Isn't a lot of it dependent on maps? | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:47 WinterViewbot420 wrote: Isn't a lot of it dependent on maps? Very often so. The problem with bringing up race imbalance in the context of how Flash is playing, is that his ability to read opponents and his decision making skills are completely unmatched. Period. Sure, his proficiency at defense in this game is supported by him playing Terran, but most of what makes him so good can apply to any of the three races. I'd also argue that the ability to read players and predict their movements is what made Savior and Nal_ra so good, too. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:47 WinterViewbot420 wrote: Isn't a lot of it dependent on maps? Overall record TvZ: 54:46 ZvP: 55:45 PvT: 52:48 Modern day record (2007 season onwards) TvZ: 54:46 ZvP: 55:45 PvT: 52:48 OGN StarLeague only TvZ: 54:46 ZvP: 54:46 PvT: 52:48 MSL only TvZ: 51:49 ZvP: 57:43 PvT: 52:48 ProLeague only TvZ: 55:45 ZvP: 53:47 PvT: 52:48 | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
http://i.imgur.com/FwsMb3d.png Can anyone explain what's going on? | ||
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Maks
Ukraine178 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On March 04 2016 05:36 WinterViewbot420 wrote: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but P>T>Z>P has been something everybody has agreed on for like 15 years, right? That is a misconception. It was true during many historic periods, but it is not true now. Fighting Spirit favours Terran in both match ups, and is 50% in ZvP. Blue Storm favours Protoss in both match ups. Bloody Ridge favours Protoss in ZvP, but not in PvT.. It also favours Terran in TvP ,but not in TvZ. Tau Cross is bad for Protoss against Terran and Zerg. There are probably more examples of maps which do not follow the traditional imbalance of around 5% in PvT, TvZ, and ZvP. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On March 04 2016 06:13 ColdLava wrote: And furthermore, there was a period of time where Bisu wouldn't lose to anyone. If he had a weak matchup at all in this phase, it was PvP. People talked about Bisu becoming the next bonjwa, like they talked about Jaedong becoming it. But they couldn't dominate long enough to earn the titles. They were at the level of bonjwa, just not long enough. Is this because of their weaker races, or is it because they weren't as good as Flash, and therefore eventually became figured out? I think that the trait which separated Flash from other top of the top level players, is his ability to switch styles and adapt to his opponent. Is Terran the only race capable of doing that? Maybe. Is Flash the only player capable of doing that? Probably. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
Looking at the most popular maps, which are generally considered reasonably balanced, you could probably make the case that terran generally has the most options and the most potential to come back from a deficit. We only ever saw the full terran potential realized by Flash (and arguably Fantasy) though, and since Jaedong very nearly managed to dominate the same way, you have to wonder if it's not just a question of chance and small sample size that we never saw a protoss player rise to the same height. Imagine a player with Bisu's and Stork's strengths in their prime and with neither player's weakness... or imagine Bisu with Jaedong's psyche. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On March 04 2016 09:03 okum wrote: It's definitely a question of maps. Remember 2010 SPL and Protoss Plains? Or 2009 SPL and Zerg Royal? Both maps had to be taken out of the rotation after two months, lol. Imagine such maps being used in starleagues for a few seasons. Looking at the most popular maps, which are generally considered reasonably balanced, you could probably make the case that terran generally has the most options and the most potential to come back from a deficit. We only ever saw the full terran potential realized by Flash (and arguably Fantasy) though, and since Jaedong very nearly managed to dominate the same way, you have to wonder if it's not just a question of chance and small sample size that we never saw a protoss player rise to the same height. Imagine a player with Bisu's and Stork's strengths in their prime and with neither player's weakness... or imagine Bisu with Jaedong's psyche. I remember in OSL and MSL the ones where Flash and Jaedong played each other in 2009/2010 there were a lot of Terran favored Maps in tvz. That is forever why Flash beat Jaedong :p. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On March 04 2016 09:13 blade55555 wrote: I remember in OSL and MSL the ones where Flash and Jaedong played each other in 2009/2010 there were a lot of Terran favored Maps in tvz. That is forever why Flash beat Jaedong :p. roseofdream and [ragnarok]valkyre are terran confirmed | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
On March 04 2016 03:54 kogeT wrote: His results today: + Show Spoiler + 1-0 Bisu 2-0 Zero 2-0 Hero 0-1 Best 1-0 Sea (ZvP) wtf flash is winning almost evrething | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
(Source: Post KeSPA TLPD stats) Even without Flash, those maps are Terran favoured. Imagine what they will be like with Flash. | ||
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