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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
January 26 2016 08:26 GMT
#81
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 26 2016 12:37 GMT
#82
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.


I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest.
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ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 26 2016 13:17 GMT
#83
Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Jaedong.
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
January 26 2016 14:19 GMT
#84
On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote:
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.


I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest.


That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_.
Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes.

On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote:
Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro.


fixed that for you.
Caspas
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany157 Posts
January 26 2016 16:53 GMT
#85
On January 25 2016 05:18 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 23:17 ImbaTosS wrote:
Every time anything pops up in Broodwar, someone makes a "this may be the last [blank] we ever see", times they are a-changing post. I think that's how it's been for the last ten years or so. At some point, you have to move past that.

I am a bw fanatic, but it kinda feels this way to me still. Look at the crowd at the last finals: 25-26yo guys on average, plus a total lack of fangirls. Sponsors, tournaments and active ex-pros are awesome, but the key for survival is young followers, of which there are very few. I'm enjoying it while it lasts, but can't help feeling like it's the late autumn for our game. The shit Sonic got his company into and the impending leave of Bisu don't help too. What we need is Flash and Jaedong destroying the Fish server once again.

ps: does anyone know if these 2 tournaments include the next VNSL, or are they a bonus? Is the next VNSL supposed to happen?



I totally agree.
In my opinion there is one major condition to make BW big again in Korea:
Kespa-teams have to revive (small) BW-rosters that can and do support young/new players.
If thats established they may grow until BW is back in its former glory. Sadly the graphics makes it really unappealing to Dota-, LoL- and SC2.players. Maybe they should change to Starbow in 2-3 years .
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
January 26 2016 17:44 GMT
#86
great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW
POGGERS
CheAse
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada919 Posts
January 26 2016 18:44 GMT
#87
Any word on if Artosis and Tasteless will cast?

This could be the best news I've heard in years.
SCV good to go sir
skirmisheR
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden451 Posts
January 26 2016 19:10 GMT
#88
HYPE
I can jungle Pudge, can you?
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
January 27 2016 10:50 GMT
#89
wow... long live bw~
-
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
January 27 2016 10:52 GMT
#90
On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote:
great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW


lets lobby for triathlon for next season now.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Zera
Profile Joined April 2010
Lithuania716 Posts
January 27 2016 12:09 GMT
#91
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.


As far as I remember Fantasy was known for going mech-only TvZ, because he would lose left and right with his bio control. Nothing appealing in this. Only at the end of pro-BW he started relying more on his bio-based builds. Also as a zerg player I can't agree with you :/ Light's TvZs were most anticipated for me (well, after Flash v JD, and any other T v JD)
#FPPS
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5504 Posts
January 27 2016 14:37 GMT
#92
On January 24 2016 01:35 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 01:30 Miragee wrote:
On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote:
Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =)

Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ?


Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can.


If Sonic manages to recover in 2017, we might have SSL and NSL played concurrently on OGN/Afreeca.


His credibility is gone, I don't see the sponsors taking a chance.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 27 2016 15:33 GMT
#93
On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote:
great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW


lets lobby for Avalon for next season now.

The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
January 27 2016 15:34 GMT
#94
On January 27 2016 23:37 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2016 01:35 ErectedZenith wrote:
On January 24 2016 01:30 Miragee wrote:
On January 24 2016 00:43 nG.Templar wrote:
Wow it's amazing for the bw scene =)

Does anyone have some news about a possible team league (pro league ?) on Brood war ?


Sonic had some plans back in 2015 but now we can pretty much assume that those plans went to the trash can.


If Sonic manages to recover in 2017, we might have SSL and NSL played concurrently on OGN/Afreeca.


His credibility is gone, I don't see the sponsors taking a chance.


That's fine because he is the one sponsoring.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
January 27 2016 16:07 GMT
#95
On January 28 2016 00:33 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote:
great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW


lets lobby for Avalon for next season now.



are you going to fix the pathing issues on the map?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
January 27 2016 21:54 GMT
#96
On January 28 2016 01:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 00:33 amazingxkcd wrote:
On January 27 2016 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 27 2016 02:44 konadora wrote:
great to hear, at least there is still hope for BW


lets lobby for Avalon for next season now.



are you going to fix the pathing issues on the map?


Maps without pathing issues are for scrubs. That's where the real multi-tasking challenge lies. All hail to Neo Medusa and siblings.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
January 27 2016 22:15 GMT
#97
On January 26 2016 23:19 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote:
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote:
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.


I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest.


That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_.
Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote:
Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro.


fixed that for you.

Actually whats interesting to note is that after Light's 0-3 loss to Kwanro, Light became the tvz monster that we know him as today. Before the series Light had a decent tvz but it was nothing really special then he just went on a insane 13 tvz win streak which included Kwanro after.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-27 22:30:28
January 27 2016 22:29 GMT
#98
On January 28 2016 07:15 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2016 23:19 Miragee wrote:
On January 26 2016 21:37 Letmelose wrote:
On January 26 2016 17:26 Miragee wrote:
On January 26 2016 11:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 26 2016 08:22 Miragee wrote:
On January 25 2016 11:26 ecnahc wrote:

July vs BeSt finals rematch imo


oh god

edit: i just want to see light play tvz again (not on fs)


pls no, his TvZ was almost as disgusting as ForGG's...


you mean disgustingly good right? Hes one of the best if not the best TvZers of all time.


I won't deny that his TvZ was very good. One of the best? Maybe. The best? Definitely not. What I meant was that his style was very painful to watch for a zerg player like me. It was disgustingly exploitative. There was no beauty to it like in Fantasy's or Hwasin's TvZ for example.


I would argue that his fundamentals far exceeds that of FanTaSy's, and his failings in the match-up was more to do with his failings as a player, rather than his limitations in that specific match-up. Flash rated him very highly for his pure fundamentals, and just watching dismantle lesser players with his monstrous mechanics was a sight to behold. Hwasin was a very linear player who exceeded in timing attacks, and his ability to pull off huge wins off his battling capability, but had no where near the amount of late game management and multitasking ability of Light's. Just in terms ability in this one specific match-up, I would rank Light above both Hwasin and FanTaSy to be honest.


That's not what I was talking about. Again, I don't deny that his TvZ was very strong. But I didn't like to watch it. It made me feel sick to my stomach. In contrast, watching Fantasy for his innovative/interesting play and Hwasin for his elegant micro was much more satisfying and beautiful to watch as a zerg. Light just exploited what zerg was weakest at and stomped down the road. Sure that's smart but I thought we were talking about _observing_.
Reducing Hwasin to timing pushes is also not fair. He had really good M&M control which brought a lot of force to his continuous pushes.

On January 26 2016 22:17 ne4aJIb wrote:
Yeah, Light raped every zerg, except Kwanro.


fixed that for you.

Actually whats interesting to note is that after Light's 0-3 loss to Kwanro, Light became the tvz monster that we know him as today. Before the series Light had a decent tvz but it was nothing really special then he just went on a insane 13 tvz win streak which included Kwanro after.

Just to clarify, I think by "today", you mean 2011 and yonder.

Not sure if Light will (ever) return to form, but in 2016, but his TvZ is far from dominant and he struggles against even high level amateurs. Not sure if it's the lack of crisp bio control or slow mech switch, but alas, in his current form, his TvP is more effective than his TvZ.

These days, Mind, Sea, PianO, Last, HiyA, and several others are far stronger at TvZ
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
April 22 2016 05:21 GMT
#99
so when is this happening
POGGERS
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
April 22 2016 07:09 GMT
#100
I suspect when Flash feels ready to play in it.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
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