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[Vid]Dongrae vs. Nada's big battle on Neo Arkanoi

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Wasabi
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United States3085 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 12:46:56
January 04 2007 09:41 GMT
#1
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tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
January 04 2007 09:43 GMT
#2
that was nice. i never watch tvt so i would never expect this.
sOnagi[3.33]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)886 Posts
January 04 2007 09:44 GMT
#3
battlecruisers~!

anyone have the full VOD? ^^ thanks for posting!
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
January 04 2007 09:44 GMT
#4
b/cs AT LAST
-Carlodajin-
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Peru235 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 09:48:45
January 04 2007 09:45 GMT
#5
Terran Battlecruisers FTW!!!...
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BuGzlToOnl
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United States5918 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 09:50:17
January 04 2007 09:49 GMT
#6
That's a whole lot of Battle Cruisers... who won thou? :p
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
January 04 2007 09:50 GMT
#7
On January 04 2007 18:44 sOnagi wrote:
battlecruisers~!

anyone have the full VOD? ^^ thanks for posting!
it's on the tracker
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Profile Joined October 2006
Peru235 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 09:54:45
January 04 2007 09:51 GMT
#8
On January 04 2007 18:49 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
That's a whole lot of Battle Cruisers... who won thou? :p

NaDa won...epic battle...
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Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12236 Posts
January 04 2007 09:51 GMT
#9
Whoa! That battle was epic! That was some awesome Yamato cloning too.
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
January 04 2007 10:04 GMT
#10
Nadas cloning was crazy this game. Ive seen a lot of shit but the two times he did big cloning spreads... I just thought "What technique did he use?" unable to come up with a realistic idea on my own.
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
January 04 2007 10:04 GMT
#11
holy shit, those yamatos beat boxers carrier lockdown easily hands down
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-Carlodajin-
Profile Joined October 2006
Peru235 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 10:07:23
January 04 2007 10:06 GMT
#12
On January 04 2007 19:04 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
holy shit, those yamatos beat boxers carrier lockdown easily hands down

That are two different things...SlayerS_`BoxeR` skills doesnt compare to NaDa skills...and vice versa...
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 10:08:40
January 04 2007 10:08 GMT
#13
On January 04 2007 19:06 -Carlodajin- wrote:
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On January 04 2007 19:04 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
holy shit, those yamatos beat boxers carrier lockdown easily hands down

That are two different things...SlayerS_`BoxeR` skills doesnt compare to NaDa skills...and viceversa...


how are they different? they both cloned the same spell on several units, just that nada cast like 20 yamatos in 2 seconds while boxer "only" did 8.
jesus people always get like "omg you can't compare boxer and nada wtf are you doing"
"I just pressed stimpack, and somehow I won the battle" -Flash
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
January 04 2007 10:13 GMT
#14
Nada scanned beforehand to give himself more time to execute the ridiculous number of yamatos.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 10:27:35
January 04 2007 10:22 GMT
#15
Degree of difficulty on Boxer's lockdown is definitely higher. BCs move slow and Nada gave himself plenty of time and ground to scan and blast. Also each enemy BC should receive 2 yamato cannons so that reduces in half the amount of targeting with shift-deselect.

It's still incredibly impressive and a great game when I watched it live. One hour TvTs are a bitch to play (check out Dongrae sweating in the late stages of the game on the full VOD) but can be great for the spectators.
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LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
January 04 2007 10:23 GMT
#16
~.~ That's just fcking ridiculous the way Nada cloned those yamatos. If you look carefully when the two clouds clashed, Dongrae only managed to clone 2,3 yamatos and then made the rest shooting at one of Nada's ships. Nada, on the other hand, just blew his loads from every single yamatos on Dongrae's face. Micro Ownage it is.
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
January 04 2007 10:23 GMT
#17
On January 04 2007 19:08 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
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On January 04 2007 19:06 -Carlodajin- wrote:
On January 04 2007 19:04 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
holy shit, those yamatos beat boxers carrier lockdown easily hands down

That are two different things...SlayerS_`BoxeR` skills doesnt compare to NaDa skills...and viceversa...


how are they different? they both cloned the same spell on several units, just that nada cast like 20 yamatos in 2 seconds while boxer "only" did 8.
jesus people always get like "omg you can't compare boxer and nada wtf are you doing"

boxer didnt clone them, he hotkeyed each ghost seperately
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InFiNitY[pG]
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Germany3474 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 10:31:22
January 04 2007 10:28 GMT
#18
Well i wasn't implying it was easier or harder skillwise, it's just a lot more impressive to look at, anyone that ever tried to effectively use yamato in a big BC battle will agree with me there, hell I even think dongrae was fuckin impressed with that
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SainT
Profile Joined February 2005
Chile1067 Posts
January 04 2007 10:30 GMT
#19
WoW ! GG naDa thx for thte vid
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LibertyTerran
Profile Joined July 2004
Vietnam711 Posts
January 04 2007 10:31 GMT
#20
On January 04 2007 19:22 nova_442 wrote:
Degree of difficulty on Boxer's lockdown is definitely higher. BCs move slow and Nada gave himself plenty of time and ground to scan and blast. Also each enemy BC should receive 2 yamato cannons so that reduces in half the amount of targeting with shift-deselect.
.

I do NOT think so, if you would've analysed the rep of Boxer-lock-down-carrier by PenguinPlug or BWchart, you would've seen Boxer actually hotkeyed his ghost s from 1 to 8, so there was no shift-deselect. Boxer also scanned first before he cloned the ghosts to locked down the carriers.

Don't flame me if I'm wrong, cz that's all I can remember about that match (Boxer vs Didi???)
Cheers,
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Aphelion
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States2720 Posts
January 04 2007 10:33 GMT
#21
Haha, I was thinking the entire game that Nada was just going to turtle until mass BC battle then abuse his much superior control.
But Garimto was always more than just a Protoss...
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 11:57:13
January 04 2007 10:35 GMT
#22
On January 04 2007 19:31 LibertyTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2007 19:22 nova_442 wrote:
Degree of difficulty on Boxer's lockdown is definitely higher. BCs move slow and Nada gave himself plenty of time and ground to scan and blast. Also each enemy BC should receive 2 yamato cannons so that reduces in half the amount of targeting with shift-deselect.
.

I do NOT think so, if you would've analysed the rep of Boxer-lock-down-carrier by PenguinPlug or BWchart, you would've seen Boxer actually hotkeyed his ghost s from 1 to 8, so there was no shift-deselect. Boxer also scanned first before he cloned the ghosts to locked down the carriers.

Don't flame me if I'm wrong, cz that's all I can remember about that match (Boxer vs Didi???)
Cheers,



Oh you guys are both talking about the carrier lock. I was talking about the BC lock which was like again 8 ghosts but also 5 locks in 1 second.

Nada had a lot of time to set this up and even I have cloned 12 BC on 6 of my opponents before. I have no doubt any pro T could do 20 on 10. I don't think many will get the chance though ^^; Once in a lifetime move.
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 04 2007 10:39 GMT
#23
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DaZe
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden2111 Posts
January 04 2007 10:40 GMT
#24
not available anymore TT
Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 04 2007 10:44 GMT
#25
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 10:53:22
January 04 2007 10:47 GMT
#26
Yah we really need this clip to stay up somewhere because it's a piece of SC history. PP2007 for sure.

Facing elimination from the OSL in a mineout 1 hour game, Nada wins the decisive battle with the most amazing display of yamato guns ever seen. Everyone in the live report thread was freaking out after seeing it.
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 04 2007 10:56 GMT
#27
the second part was just as impressive. I'd recommend uploading it (the yamato cloning at the very end)
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 04 2007 11:01 GMT
#28
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7224 Posts
January 04 2007 11:07 GMT
#29
I think Live2win is talking about when Nada is coming for Dongrae at top left corner and Dongrae is making his last stand (and gets off one lockdown lol).
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
January 04 2007 11:09 GMT
#30
That was definitely an amazing thing to watch... So many Yamato's flying around. Anyone who has played with that many BC's before knows how hard it is to do something like that...

I just watched the 2nd part (at around 1 hour 4 minutes) where Nada does the same thing but against goliaths... Almost as impressive as well...
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
January 04 2007 11:44 GMT
#31
YAAAARRRR!!!
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AmorVincitOmnia
Profile Joined March 2005
Kenya3846 Posts
January 04 2007 11:51 GMT
#32
damn son
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
January 04 2007 11:54 GMT
#33
On January 04 2007 19:35 nova_442 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2007 19:31 LibertyTerran wrote:
On January 04 2007 19:22 nova_442 wrote:
Degree of difficulty on Boxer's lockdown is definitely higher. BCs move slow and Nada gave himself plenty of time and ground to scan and blast. Also each enemy BC should receive 2 yamato cannons so that reduces in half the amount of targeting with shift-deselect.
.

I do NOT think so, if you would've analysed the rep of Boxer-lock-down-carrier by PenguinPlug or BWchart, you would've seen Boxer actually hotkeyed his ghost s from 1 to 8, so there was no shift-deselect. Boxer also scanned first before he cloned the ghosts to locked down the carriers.

Don't flame me if I'm wrong, cz that's all I can remember about that match (Boxer vs Didi???)
Cheers,



Oh you guys are both talking about the carrier lock. I was talking about the BC lock which was like again 8-12 ghosts but also 5 locks in 1 second.

Nada had a lot of time to set this up and even I have cloned 12 BC on 6 of my opponents before. I have no doubt any pro T could do 20 on 10. I don't think many will get the chance though ^^; Once in a lifetime move.


he hotkeyed all the ghosts for bc lock.

he never had a pimpest carr lock. he tried carr lock vs reach but reach had too many units so he lost anyways. he did medic blind vs didi, but again didi had too many units so it didn't matter.

dongrae's EMP came in a second too late ^~
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SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
January 04 2007 11:55 GMT
#34
Well I did the same thing as Wasabi, so here's a mirror, if anyone wants to download it: http://files.filefront.com/Nada_vs_Dongrae_BC_Fight/;6473524;;/fileinfo.html
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SCNewb
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada2210 Posts
January 04 2007 11:58 GMT
#35
OH shit.......that was awesome

thanks for sharing wasabi
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
January 04 2007 12:03 GMT
#36
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MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 12:07:20
January 04 2007 12:04 GMT
#37
The way I do mass yamato with carriers is by hotkeying all of them in cascading fashion relal quickly as they're moving to battle.

I take whole group then hotkey it to 1. then deselect 2 then hotkey it to 2. then deselect another 2 and hotkey it to 3.

So you end up with 6 hotkeys for 12 bcs. so if u go 6 y select target, 5 y select target, 4 y select target it becomes the same as doing 1a2a3a4a...

This I find is easy. I used 1-6 in this example but 5-0 might be more practical depending on your hotkeys.

Nada probably delayed the yamato because he probably didnt group his valks and had to make them attack first (and engage with the other bcs in battle) to have perfect timing of yamato and then valks (otherwise if he yamato straight away I figure dongrae will just run).

Anyways...

edit: I also remember seeing a rep where nada didnt hotkey his buildings. Only his units. Hence, he would have much more hotkey space for doing something like I've described above.
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
January 04 2007 12:09 GMT
#38
lol also remember the medic blind ob, it was bloody pimp!

btw stop comparing who is greater, boxer or nada... they have their times and momentums! and both of them are great!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 04 2007 12:16 GMT
#39
I just noticed my torrent download has finished. Time to watch
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
January 04 2007 12:32 GMT
#40
In the first video Nada had a hugeeeeeeeee distance and ample time to clone all his bcs. Spectecular to watch, but not that difficult to pull off. Having 2 yamatos per bc as well is far easier because you can shift deleselect twice while placing your mouse in the same position.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada1842 Posts
January 04 2007 13:20 GMT
#41
T.T Will this be the recommended VOD?
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
January 04 2007 13:37 GMT
#42
The first part of the game was pretty mediocre, but oh my god that cloning was cool.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-04 13:43:44
January 04 2007 13:39 GMT
#43
Complete match was just uploaded onto youtube
by "wifebeater"

....disturbing name but great guy.

Part1


Part2
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DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
January 04 2007 15:06 GMT
#44
Do valks actually do enough damage to 3/3 bcs to matter?
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Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 04 2007 15:36 GMT
#45
3/3 valks would i think
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Profile Joined July 2004
Austria1763 Posts
January 04 2007 19:48 GMT
#46
videos down again ? please not
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Profile Joined February 2005
Chile1067 Posts
January 04 2007 20:16 GMT
#47
how long is the whole match ?
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Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
January 04 2007 22:28 GMT
#48
I think he hotkeyed pairs of cruisers.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 04 2007 22:35 GMT
#49
On January 05 2007 05:16 SainT wrote:
how long is the whole match ?


An hour and a little.

lol @ Dongrae trying to "pull" a Boxer. Good try tho :p
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Greece2394 Posts
January 04 2007 23:11 GMT
#50
I just watched the whole game and I can't understand why the interviewer said to Nada that he came back from almost certain loss or something. He did lose his main at one point but that was after all 3 bases over there were mined out and no more factory units were produced, just when he began building his bcs fleet. Nada had a superior bcs fleet all game long, there was no way he could have lost (without seriously screwing up his micro that is, but he's Nada, he rarely does ;p)
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 05 2007 08:52 GMT
#51
omg ufcking cool videos one of the best t vt ever loool thanks for uploading wasabi
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Canada10458 Posts
January 07 2007 00:38 GMT
#52
On January 04 2007 22:37 Orome wrote:
The first part of the game was pretty mediocre, but oh my god that cloning was cool.


I agree. Seemed like Nada was playing very conservatively because he knew his economic advantage would eventually let him win in an almost guaranteed way.
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United States10774 Posts
January 07 2007 03:26 GMT
#53
fucking hawt
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United States10774 Posts
January 07 2007 03:48 GMT
#54
On January 05 2007 00:06 DarK]N[exuS wrote:
Do valks actually do enough damage to 3/3 bcs to matter?


did you notice how he brought in valks shortly after the battle first started happening? I think what he was trying to do was hurt MULTIPLE battlecruisers down to low HP then bring in the valks to help clean them all up :O
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Profile Joined March 2006
China246 Posts
January 07 2007 03:58 GMT
#55
Anyone care to explain cloning a bit further? is it like the technique that some players use to separate workers at the beginning?
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 07 2007 03:59 GMT
#56
On January 07 2007 12:58 EmilyJieunChoi wrote:
Anyone care to explain cloning a bit further? is it like the technique that some players use to separate workers at the beginning?


Ya, except you apply it to a battlecruiser.
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