Boxer has just completed the six weeks of Basic Training. He is now Private First Class (a rank above Private)
All soldiers are assigned to their respective posts after basic training. PFC Lim will be assigned to the Air Force intelligence center, where he will be allowed to train as part of the military's progaming team.
He is expected to appear in the MBCgame Survivor League first round, the first step in qualifying for the next MSL.
January 1st Boxer (T, Air Force) vs Nal_keke (Z, Pantech) on Reverse Temple Stork (P, Samsung) vs Dream.t)OriOn (Z, CJ) on Reverse Temple Winners on Longinus 2 Losers on Longinus 2 Final match on Desert Fox
Does anyone have a picture of Reverse Temple? I've failed to find it (the other maps are on the New MSL Maps thread). Is it unreleased or am I bad/lazy at searching?
On November 24 2006 21:36 Legionnaire wrote: This is pathetic. (unless all other pros have the same course of action). Everyone else has to do military duty, and so should boxer.
Clon, HOT, and some others are doing this too iirc? anyone clarify?
On November 24 2006 21:36 Legionnaire wrote: This is pathetic. (unless all other pros have the same course of action). Everyone else has to do military duty, and so should boxer.
I understand that most pros do have this option.
HOT forever, Clon, and Chrh are already in the military team. Mumyung will be assigned there as well.
My one concern is a logjam forming for all the younger pros hitting military age at once.
Plus, it's not like all Boxer does there is game. He spends most of the day doing Air Force stuff and helping out. It's during the evenings where he gets time to practice. I'm confident that Boxer (and other gamers) are not to be useless in the military.
It isn't uncommon for military divisions to have sports teams (ping-pong and such, and football, anything).
Anyway, the job that progamers are supposed to be doing at the air force intelligence center is helping to design combat simulators or something (erg, there was a topic a week back; edit: thus making use of their skills/talents supposedly...probably in better fashion than being a grunt anyway). That's not really frivolous, but I think there would be some more qualified for that job--but then again, those people wouldn't be in the military now, I guess. Anyway, in general, wouldn't the air force intelligence center have real work like tracking North Korean activities or something? ~_~
On November 24 2006 22:28 Myrmidon wrote: It isn't uncommon for military divisions to have sports teams (ping-pong and such, and football, anything).
Anyway, the job that progamers are supposed to be doing at the air force intelligence center is helping to design combat simulators or something (erg, there was a topic a week back; edit: thus making use of their skills/talents supposedly...probably in better fashion than being a grunt anyway). That's not really frivolous, but I think there would be some more qualified for that job--but then again, those people wouldn't be in the military now, I guess. Anyway, in general, wouldn't the air force intelligence center have real work like tracking North Korean activities or something? ~_~
Yeah the U.S. has a football team in the army I trust? xD
I heard that basic training is supposed to get a dude in shape and prepare him for other parts of the military. how does 6 months get someone in shape? Even if it's exercise day and night, can the human body build muscle that quickly? If that is true, then basic training is awesome, and I'll figure out how to go do it without risking getting sent to Iraq.
Man, it'd be so awesome if Boxer was able to make it back into the MSL. That's definately a winnable group for him, what with there beingt 2 Z's in it .
On November 24 2006 22:28 Myrmidon wrote: It isn't uncommon for military divisions to have sports teams (ping-pong and such, and football, anything).
Anyway, the job that progamers are supposed to be doing at the air force intelligence center is helping to design combat simulators or something (erg, there was a topic a week back; edit: thus making use of their skills/talents supposedly...probably in better fashion than being a grunt anyway). That's not really frivolous, but I think there would be some more qualified for that job--but then again, those people wouldn't be in the military now, I guess. Anyway, in general, wouldn't the air force intelligence center have real work like tracking North Korean activities or something? ~_~
Yeah the U.S. has a football team in the army I trust? xD
On November 25 2006 00:14 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: I heard that basic training is supposed to get a dude in shape and prepare him for other parts of the military. how does 6 months get someone in shape? Even if it's exercise day and night, can the human body build muscle that quickly? If that is true, then basic training is awesome, and I'll figure out how to go do it without risking getting sent to Iraq.
Without having gone through that (read: the following is conjecture), I'd still point out that basic training = basic. The guys that come out of 6 weeks aren't your most feared troops. You're not going to start from scratch and come out a Navy Seal or something more hardcore.
OK I would like to point out that US military academy sports teams are not the same as Korean military teams.
US military academy sports teams are college teams. They are registered with the NCAA (American college sports governing body) and they play against other college teams.
Korean military teams are teams where Korean professional level athletes can maintain their training while serving their mandatory military term. For these athletes, they have to go to the military but they would lose two years of precious training. The military lets them train and maintain competitive by having military sports teams.
This is done with all kinds of sports, from obscure olympic sports (ping-pong) to popular pro team sports (military baseball team/soccer team)
In all honesty, HonestTea's right, yeah. As big as college sports are, they're not profesional--the cases they almost come close aren't in military teams anyway.
On November 25 2006 02:58 Cascade wrote: It will be fun to how much of the skill is preparation, and how much is just pure talent. Anyone know more or less how much time he can spend on sc?
I guess a few hours evey day. Which means he'll get owned by the pros that plays +10 hours/day
On November 24 2006 21:36 Legionnaire wrote: This is pathetic. (unless all other pros have the same course of action). Everyone else has to do military duty, and so should boxer.
If you were "the army", how would you "use" an exceptional strategic talent? In the mud or in some strategic intellicence center? I'm sure his special treatment has to do with some image polishing on the armys side but they'll still profit immensely if they only manage to implement a fraction of Boxers knowledge and talent.
On November 25 2006 05:28 SuperJongMan wrote: 9's Min Only looks bad -_-;; It looks like it will be slower than the other min onlies. Gay.
Yeah, it's strange that they left the 9' mineral only in it's original gimped configuration, but all the naturals and ramps are in their newer positions.
On November 24 2006 21:36 Legionnaire wrote: This is pathetic. (unless all other pros have the same course of action). Everyone else has to do military duty, and so should boxer.
If you were "the army", how would you "use" an exceptional strategic talent? In the mud or in some strategic intellicence center? I'm sure his special treatment has to do with some image polishing on the armys side but they'll still profit immensely if they only manage to implement a fraction of Boxers knowledge and talent.
yeah... as if brood war gives you amazing real life skills in the army..
brood war is just a computer game, and it isn't realistic at all.
On November 24 2006 21:36 Legionnaire wrote: This is pathetic. (unless all other pros have the same course of action). Everyone else has to do military duty, and so should boxer.
My friend (ranked top 100 in world for Go) said that some professional Go players do not have to perform military duty in Korea, so not everyone has to do it (just almost everyone). As for the upcoming matchups, I think that they'll be extremely interesting to watch. Long live the Emperor!
On November 25 2006 10:43 Chill wrote: Wow, good luck getting those islands back once someone's taken them. Also, PvT 6v9 looks like Protoss' worst nightmare.
hmm weird why did they put the ramp at 6 like that :| they coudl just have used a normal ramp facing NE directoin instead of a ramp going up at SE
Well, i think its great that boxer can play again. But on the same side i think he should take a longer brake. Not cause he's in the army, just cause he played nonstop for the past years and some "fresh" air isnt a bad thing. Just one year or so. But its an image thing anyway for the army.
When i was in the army, we had some dudes who played counter-strike and they where allowed to play clanwars from time to time while we had to run around in the rain. Office Bastards -__- ;;
Anyway gogo Boxer! If you get owned use your close combat skills >)
On November 25 2006 05:21 Musli wrote: reverse temple reminds me requiem -.-; anybody got Desert Fox jpg ?
Kinda weird map.
that map starts with colony's blocking those expos?
Yes, and also a 2k hp cell block that prevents you from expanding at your nat. It's to try and make P and T somewhat set back, since Z really needs that expo more than the other two races...
I'm not too sure it'll work. I still think Z gets screwed the worst.
On November 25 2006 05:28 SuperJongMan wrote: 9's Min Only looks bad -_-;; It looks like it will be slower than the other min onlies. Gay.
Yeah, it's strange that they left the 9' mineral only in it's original gimped configuration, but all the naturals and ramps are in their newer positions.
Either way, I still can't wait to see it in play.
Except for the ramps, it's just like Neo LT.
3's ramp looks even harder to defend as Zerg, now. And P6 vs T9 is going to be even harder than on Neo LT.
But at least lurkers and tanks on your "nat cliff" won't be nearly as big a problem anymore.
So he goes off to the military.... where he will continue his career as a progamer?
Wow, reminds me of that maddox rant about jocks getting special treatment in high school, except that "jock" in S. Korea means "PC gaming superstar".
EDIT: unless, everyone who is in the military is aloud to continue their careers while in the military, then that's ok. But that doesn't seem like real military service to this American at all!
You people are either really goddamn stupid or you just don't read anything before you post.
Boxer has to do the EXACT SAME SHIT as every other recruit. Except he gets to practice when the drills are done. The army didn't say "OMFG BOXER SPECIAL TREATMENT ASAP!!1!!!1111" or any other such shit. And it's not like they made this JUST FOR BOXER, the military had special plans for progamers way before Boxer even announced he would be enlisting. H.O.T, Clon, and ChRh were there before he was and they're still gaming as well.
Theres a lot of uninformed ranting bullshit being spewed about the Korean military's introduction into the pro-scene. Is it unorthodox? absolutely, except for CISM (Conseil International du Sport Militaire) militaries in general do not focus much of their time on sports.
Before running your mouth about how unfair it is for boxer or any other pro-gamer to have "special" treatment, look at the motivations behind the military. By keeping a "good" guy image and putting itself in the spot light (i mean look most of us live anywhere from 200 to 6000 miles away and we are on about it) the Korean Military remains current and topical. There is little arguing that this is a psychological operation at its best. Big brass in the military would see an Air Force pro team as being "cool and trendy" and keeping in with the youngsters.
Do you think the military actually gives a shit about Starcraft or the pro-scene? absolutely not, they are in a numbers and recruiting game. And by the looks of things, they are playing it pretty well
There is little arguing that this is a psychological operation at its best. Big brass in the military would see an Air Force pro team as being "cool and trendy" and keeping in with the youngsters.
Absolutly. I guess some guys are just jealous *g* Switzerland has its own sport-military programm as far as i know. A hole hockey team did the same stuff as normal recruts but where able to practice. And Tom Lüthi (125ccm gp winner) did or will do the same thing, dunno. Of course, we cant compare high-performance sport with BW but it remains an image thing. Lets dont act naiv. Every country has its own programm to polish their military institutions. I've seen thoose commercials in canada and played those "join the us army" games. They all try to run with the youth. As if noone would take the oportunity to play games while you're in the army.
Its the same everywhere. Some jump more in the dirt others less. I've been in the army and i am damn proud that i joined a profession where i actually did something less stupid and learned stuff wich i could use later on in my job.
that upside down temple.. won't the gully's be even more troublesome than regular temple? like 12vs3 tvt how would the 3 prevent 12 from completely controlling the left side of his base w/o using most of his army? and the 9/6 gully is devestating looking. Boxer should be exciting to watch on this map ^^
On November 28 2006 04:38 L!MP wrote: how come boxer was leading the other guys in the yelling?
Because he's not getting any special treatment at all, just as we have been told. Would they lie? He must be the best one there. I'm positive it has nothing to do with any publicity stunt the army is pulling.
I mean, think about it. If he's good at SC he probably stands out in other areas of life as well, like say the army. He's our idol so he logically must be a natural leader.
Yeah.
It'll be weird seeing him play again so soon after we've all said our goodbyes and come to accept the fact that he's "gone".
On November 28 2006 11:56 OverTheUnder wrote: hmm could it also be that he is "most likely" the oldest in his group since he put it off so long?
He probably was the oldest in his group....that wouldn't qualify him for being top of his course though. Despite the fact that hes a naturally good leader (hes lectured at the airforce academy on leadership) its a bit a fairy tale for the Korean military to add to his title "allstar super hero programmer tops his military course, fights for his country, plays for his military pro-team and.......becomes supreme allied commander defeating the north in a cataclysmic battle of epic proportions" :p
On November 28 2006 21:12 mrdx wrote: He should be special, since in his unit he's probably the oldest, the richest, the most well respected and most experienced in leadership.
On a basic qualification course, being the Older, Richest and "well respected" (read famous) have little to do with how good you are in the military. On my Basic Officer's training course, i roomed with a guy who was the son of the premier of the province...he was the worst guy on our course and quit.
Boxer is predisposed to be a good leader and that probably shone through in his course which is why he was in front of them all...Like i said though i think its a bit of a conspiracy that he would be follow by the media all through his course and then now cap out at the top :p
On November 28 2006 11:56 OverTheUnder wrote: hmm could it also be that he is "most likely" the oldest in his group since he put it off so long?
He probably was the oldest in his group....that wouldn't qualify him for being top of his course though. Despite the fact that hes a naturally good leader (hes lectured at the airforce academy on leadership) its a bit a fairy tale for the Korean military to add to his title "allstar super hero programmer tops his military course, fights for his country, plays for his military pro-team and.......becomes supreme allied commander defeating the north in a cataclysmic battle of epic proportions" :p
Sounds like you underestimate the Emperor's capabilities ^^
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