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the teenagers 15 years ago ( old friends of mine) still refer to starcraft broodwar as THE PC game that dominated their childhood lives they can still tell lively stories about legendary grudge matches , epic battles or funny anecdotes about players in their bw scene of that time 
broodwar sticks with anyone who plays it for a decent amount of time
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On August 29 2014 02:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:04 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 01:56 adymus wrote:Duke91 i really understand you men but to be clear of something :D If SC2 dies , starcraft 1 wont take its place , the amount of people thath will play starcraft 1 its 0 and i mean for kids 13-14 years now or younger/older. I really dont see the hate for blizzard and starcraft 2 . Ok SC2 dies then you will never see any dreamhack or other tournament for starcraft ! why ? well people dont like thath old game , people love CSGO , DOTA 2 , LOL games thath are new and eazy to play , not an RTS old and ugly for them , not a game so hard thath its boring to play I get the feeling bro , i love Starcraft 1 too , i played from start to finish evry week watched evry tournament i could , even now i watch the new ones , but to hope for thath its a stupid thing really Dont get me wrong , i dont want starcraft 1 to disapear , but SC1 wont reapear in KOREA , why ? because new koreans kids love other games , ya its fun to see it once but its not fun to play a game so hard for them Anyway sorry for this long post , I really hope all will be good with SC2 nad SC1 <3 much love and hypeeee!!!!!! for this cash SC2 dies, the pros either retire, go to army, or stream BW for some cash. With the old favorite back, this very likely will trigger the big sponsors to host another huge BW league. The narrative will be huge: "Korea progaming goes back to its root." BW progaming will get lucrative again and will generate a lot more interests and therefore get more people playing. Cmon, just enjoy what is happening right now and don't be so naive about this kind of stuff. Sc2 won't die over night, if anything we hear it is growing in korea (proleague) and the new addon will probably help too. Also korea is allin on lol right now, why should any kid play BW instead? It just doesn't make any sense man...
I don't care if sc2 dies or not. I only want KESPA to switch back to BW. I also want blizzard to not interfere in BW and try to keep it down or to subsidize SC2 even further. I want Bunkie back, the cute bisu fangirl, extremely exciting die hard fans and fangirls. Have you seen the GSL broadcast? It is sometimes so sad how they feel the need to pay girls to cheer in order to keep the illusion alive that people care for sc2. People care for the players they grew up watching in bw, not about the game. I only watch sc2 if Flash, Stats, Soulkey, Jaedong, Stork etc are playing. I couldn't care less for the ESF players. I hope that Kespa will one day go back to BW after seeing how much people still care, how many die hard fans there still are. You can have SC2. But please let me have my BW back...
On August 29 2014 02:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:31 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 02:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 29 2014 02:04 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 01:56 adymus wrote:Duke91 i really understand you men but to be clear of something :D If SC2 dies , starcraft 1 wont take its place , the amount of people thath will play starcraft 1 its 0 and i mean for kids 13-14 years now or younger/older. I really dont see the hate for blizzard and starcraft 2 . Ok SC2 dies then you will never see any dreamhack or other tournament for starcraft ! why ? well people dont like thath old game , people love CSGO , DOTA 2 , LOL games thath are new and eazy to play , not an RTS old and ugly for them , not a game so hard thath its boring to play I get the feeling bro , i love Starcraft 1 too , i played from start to finish evry week watched evry tournament i could , even now i watch the new ones , but to hope for thath its a stupid thing really Dont get me wrong , i dont want starcraft 1 to disapear , but SC1 wont reapear in KOREA , why ? because new koreans kids love other games , ya its fun to see it once but its not fun to play a game so hard for them Anyway sorry for this long post , I really hope all will be good with SC2 nad SC1 <3 much love and hypeeee!!!!!! for this cash SC2 dies, the pros either retire, go to army, or stream BW for some cash. With the old favorite back, this very likely will trigger the big sponsors to host another huge BW league. The narrative will be huge: "Korea progaming goes back to its root." BW progaming will get lucrative again and will generate a lot more interests and therefore get more people playing. Cmon, just enjoy what is happening right now and don't be so naive about this kind of stuff. Sc2 won't die over night, if anything we hear it is growing in korea (proleague) and the new addon will probably help too. Also korea is allin on lol right now, why should any kid play BW instead? It just doesn't make any sense man... That's like saying: "Oh everybody in the states or in my country is playing football, hockey, and/or basketball." While yes there were over 30 players in my high school football team but there are also tennis teams, swim teams and etc. While yes LoL is insanely popular over there, people will ALWAYS like to have more varieties in terms of esports. So there will definitely be kids that would want to play BW instead with different special set of skills. Ok fair enough, but do we have any stats? I think lol is at the top of the games being played by such a huge margin that i don't see kids trying to become pro in BW tbh. Without Kespa itself i just can't see how the scene can really become "sustainable" again. But hey, maybe i am completely wrong (and tbh i would like it to be that way, i never "had the chance" to follow BW in the glory days) and BW really rises to the place where it belongs.
No esports game is sustainable right now except Dota and LOL and I don't even know how long this will be. SC2 is only sustainable because of blizzards money. The BW scene will learn from the past that too much prize money will not be sustainable. Also running a TV broadcast 24/7 is extremely expensive itself. And BW had two of them (for a short period even 3 TV stations broadcasting BW). Why shouldnt it be sustainable without Kespa? I don't see your line of reasoning there... I think that LOVETV and SSL should merge. We only need one prestigious starleague. Maybe they should push it into amateur leagues and pro leagues.
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On August 29 2014 02:41 broodwar2.0 wrote:the teenagers 15 years ago ( old friends of mine) still refer to starcraft broodwar as THE PC game that dominated their childhood lives they can still tell lively stories about legendary grudge matches , epic battles or funny anecdotes about players in their bw scene of that time broodwar sticks with anyone who plays it for a decent amount of time
This reminds of SSBM and why Melee is doing so well now compared to Brawl. People played melee in their childhood; and watching the 5 Gods of Smash duke it out will draw out even the deepest memories.
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On August 29 2014 02:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:31 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 02:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 29 2014 02:04 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 01:56 adymus wrote:Duke91 i really understand you men but to be clear of something :D If SC2 dies , starcraft 1 wont take its place , the amount of people thath will play starcraft 1 its 0 and i mean for kids 13-14 years now or younger/older. I really dont see the hate for blizzard and starcraft 2 . Ok SC2 dies then you will never see any dreamhack or other tournament for starcraft ! why ? well people dont like thath old game , people love CSGO , DOTA 2 , LOL games thath are new and eazy to play , not an RTS old and ugly for them , not a game so hard thath its boring to play I get the feeling bro , i love Starcraft 1 too , i played from start to finish evry week watched evry tournament i could , even now i watch the new ones , but to hope for thath its a stupid thing really Dont get me wrong , i dont want starcraft 1 to disapear , but SC1 wont reapear in KOREA , why ? because new koreans kids love other games , ya its fun to see it once but its not fun to play a game so hard for them Anyway sorry for this long post , I really hope all will be good with SC2 nad SC1 <3 much love and hypeeee!!!!!! for this cash SC2 dies, the pros either retire, go to army, or stream BW for some cash. With the old favorite back, this very likely will trigger the big sponsors to host another huge BW league. The narrative will be huge: "Korea progaming goes back to its root." BW progaming will get lucrative again and will generate a lot more interests and therefore get more people playing. Cmon, just enjoy what is happening right now and don't be so naive about this kind of stuff. Sc2 won't die over night, if anything we hear it is growing in korea (proleague) and the new addon will probably help too. Also korea is allin on lol right now, why should any kid play BW instead? It just doesn't make any sense man... That's like saying: "Oh everybody in the states or in my country is playing football, hockey, and/or basketball." While yes there were over 30 players in my high school football team but there are also tennis teams, swim teams and etc. While yes LoL is insanely popular over there, people will ALWAYS like to have more varieties in terms of esports. So there will definitely be kids that would want to play BW instead with different special set of skills. Ok fair enough, but do we have any stats? I think lol is at the top of the games being played by such a huge margin that i don't see kids trying to become pro in BW tbh. Without Kespa itself i just can't see how the scene can really become "sustainable" again. But hey, maybe i am completely wrong (and tbh i would like it to be that way, i never "had the chance" to follow BW in the glory days) and BW really rises to the place where it belongs.
its all speculation IF something starts snowballing... sky is the limit thats how it works more viewers more sponsors more moneey more legends ETCETC
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Is this already year 2052?
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On August 29 2014 02:49 endy wrote:
Is this already year 2052?
SC4 with automicro and automacro. New units like swarmhostcolossus, nukemine and supermule make deathball 1a more exciting than ever.
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On August 29 2014 02:54 duke91 wrote:SC4 with automicro and automacro. New units like swarmhostcolossus, nukemine and supermule make deathball 1a more exciting than ever.
Well, to be fair, Swarmhostcolossus (a burrowing unit with a line AoE attack) kind of sounds like a Lurker, which would be pretty sweet :p
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I think the second coming of broodwar will both depend on how this tournament turns out and how sc2 will be after lotv. While I hope for a broodwar return, I certainly don't see any other RTS game, that is threatening starcrafts place in esports.
Inb4 warcraft 4.
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On August 29 2014 02:57 HyralGambit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:54 duke91 wrote:On August 29 2014 02:49 endy wrote:
Is this already year 2052? SC4 with automicro and automacro. New units like swarmhostcolossus, nukemine and supermule make deathball 1a more exciting than ever. Well, to be fair, Swarmhostcolossus (a burrowing unit with a line AoE attack) kind of sounds like a Lurker, which would be pretty sweet :p
Now, I imagined a swarmhost spawning small colossus when they burrow, though this unit is only available as a DLC for 20 bucks
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On August 29 2014 02:42 duke91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 29 2014 02:04 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 01:56 adymus wrote:Duke91 i really understand you men but to be clear of something :D If SC2 dies , starcraft 1 wont take its place , the amount of people thath will play starcraft 1 its 0 and i mean for kids 13-14 years now or younger/older. I really dont see the hate for blizzard and starcraft 2 . Ok SC2 dies then you will never see any dreamhack or other tournament for starcraft ! why ? well people dont like thath old game , people love CSGO , DOTA 2 , LOL games thath are new and eazy to play , not an RTS old and ugly for them , not a game so hard thath its boring to play I get the feeling bro , i love Starcraft 1 too , i played from start to finish evry week watched evry tournament i could , even now i watch the new ones , but to hope for thath its a stupid thing really Dont get me wrong , i dont want starcraft 1 to disapear , but SC1 wont reapear in KOREA , why ? because new koreans kids love other games , ya its fun to see it once but its not fun to play a game so hard for them Anyway sorry for this long post , I really hope all will be good with SC2 nad SC1 <3 much love and hypeeee!!!!!! for this cash SC2 dies, the pros either retire, go to army, or stream BW for some cash. With the old favorite back, this very likely will trigger the big sponsors to host another huge BW league. The narrative will be huge: "Korea progaming goes back to its root." BW progaming will get lucrative again and will generate a lot more interests and therefore get more people playing. Cmon, just enjoy what is happening right now and don't be so naive about this kind of stuff. Sc2 won't die over night, if anything we hear it is growing in korea (proleague) and the new addon will probably help too. Also korea is allin on lol right now, why should any kid play BW instead? It just doesn't make any sense man... I don't care if sc2 dies or not. I only want KESPA to switch back to BW. I also want blizzard to not interfere in BW and try to keep it down or to subsidize SC2 even further. I want Bunkie back, the cute bisu fangirl, extremely exciting die hard fans and fangirls. Have you seen the GSL broadcast? It is sometimes so sad how they feel the need to pay girls to cheer in order to keep the illusion alive that people care for sc2. People care for the players they grew up watching in bw, not about the game. I only watch sc2 if Flash, Stats, Soulkey, Jaedong, Stork etc are playing. I couldn't care less for the ESF players. I hope that Kespa will one day go back to BW after seeing how much people still care, how many die hard fans there still are. You can have SC2. But please let me have my BW back... Show nested quote +On August 29 2014 02:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 29 2014 02:31 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 02:21 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 29 2014 02:04 Xiphos wrote:On August 29 2014 01:56 adymus wrote:Duke91 i really understand you men but to be clear of something :D If SC2 dies , starcraft 1 wont take its place , the amount of people thath will play starcraft 1 its 0 and i mean for kids 13-14 years now or younger/older. I really dont see the hate for blizzard and starcraft 2 . Ok SC2 dies then you will never see any dreamhack or other tournament for starcraft ! why ? well people dont like thath old game , people love CSGO , DOTA 2 , LOL games thath are new and eazy to play , not an RTS old and ugly for them , not a game so hard thath its boring to play I get the feeling bro , i love Starcraft 1 too , i played from start to finish evry week watched evry tournament i could , even now i watch the new ones , but to hope for thath its a stupid thing really Dont get me wrong , i dont want starcraft 1 to disapear , but SC1 wont reapear in KOREA , why ? because new koreans kids love other games , ya its fun to see it once but its not fun to play a game so hard for them Anyway sorry for this long post , I really hope all will be good with SC2 nad SC1 <3 much love and hypeeee!!!!!! for this cash SC2 dies, the pros either retire, go to army, or stream BW for some cash. With the old favorite back, this very likely will trigger the big sponsors to host another huge BW league. The narrative will be huge: "Korea progaming goes back to its root." BW progaming will get lucrative again and will generate a lot more interests and therefore get more people playing. Cmon, just enjoy what is happening right now and don't be so naive about this kind of stuff. Sc2 won't die over night, if anything we hear it is growing in korea (proleague) and the new addon will probably help too. Also korea is allin on lol right now, why should any kid play BW instead? It just doesn't make any sense man... That's like saying: "Oh everybody in the states or in my country is playing football, hockey, and/or basketball." While yes there were over 30 players in my high school football team but there are also tennis teams, swim teams and etc. While yes LoL is insanely popular over there, people will ALWAYS like to have more varieties in terms of esports. So there will definitely be kids that would want to play BW instead with different special set of skills. Ok fair enough, but do we have any stats? I think lol is at the top of the games being played by such a huge margin that i don't see kids trying to become pro in BW tbh. Without Kespa itself i just can't see how the scene can really become "sustainable" again. But hey, maybe i am completely wrong (and tbh i would like it to be that way, i never "had the chance" to follow BW in the glory days) and BW really rises to the place where it belongs. No esports game is sustainable right now except Dota and LOL and I don't even know how long this will be. SC2 is only sustainable because of blizzards money. The BW scene will learn from the past that too much prize money will not be sustainable. Also running a TV broadcast 24/7 is extremely expensive itself. And BW had two of them (for a short period even 3 TV stations broadcasting BW). Why shouldnt it be sustainable without Kespa? I don't see your line of reasoning there... I think that LOVETV and SSL should merge. We only need one prestigious starleague. Maybe they should push it into amateur leagues and pro leagues.
Actually, I would love it if they stayed separated but alternated. There would be one every 6 months(SSL then LoveTV then SSL etc...) and in between there can be smaller tournaments like atm. The smaller tournaments could help new players get into the scene and the two bigger tournaments would resemble the OSL/MSL with their higher prize pool and open qualifiers (if there are enough people).
On August 29 2014 02:59 Ttrome wrote:
I think the second coming of broodwar will both depend on how this tournament turns out and how sc2 will be after lotv. While I hope for a broodwar return, I certainly don't see any other RTS game, that is threatening starcrafts place in esports.
Inb4 warcraft 4.
Warcraft 4 won't be coming anytime soon. Blizzard botched the franchise I loved with their cash cow WoW  Yes, as it stands, there aren't many RTS games and nothing that really compared to BW.
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This is incredible. I really hope it is with a sustainable model so we can continue to enjoy it for a long time.
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can i fly to korea and attempt to be pro gamer once again 
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On August 29 2014 03:42 Siz)Beggar wrote:can i fly to korea and attempt to be pro gamer once again
You should go on Fish and ask them if they'll accept you :D Bridge the international scene with the Korean scene
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wow.... wtf
this is so unexpected and so cool!
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Nice. Can't wait. BW fighting!
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if only fantasy could play in this. his reign as #1 terran was cut too short
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On August 29 2014 04:03 trifecta wrote:
if only fantasy could play in this. his reign as #1 terran was cut too short
I swear I've had dreams about that...
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Ohhhhh such great news!! BROOD WAR!!
Really hope we can have someone (like Sayle) cast all the games in english, too Personally I don't even care whether it'd be live or a week later.
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Also I think we now don't need more prize money. Take away 10000 dollar of that and someone decent make us a server with automated match-making and well functioning auto-portforwarding (even if portforwarding doesn't work, make something like auto lat trick as I discussed before. I think this should be easy to implement but I could be wrong)
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