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ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-06 13:32:13
September 06 2019 12:59 GMT
#1961
On September 06 2019 21:40 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 21:16 ggrrg wrote:
On August 31 2019 19:51 Alejandrisha wrote:
@attackzerg i wish the spoilers had vods in them :p
i can't stream afreeca very well. as in not at all. really pisses me off. i really want to see bisu play. anyone have youtube vods?


When I try to watch an Afreeca stream on TL it crashes within 2 minutes. I can watch the streams fine if I open them on the Afreeca website. It still may crash once at the beginning but after restarting it, it works fine.


On September 06 2019 14:23 ggsimida wrote:
On September 05 2019 11:49 PorkSoda wrote:
On September 01 2019 16:31 ggsimida wrote:
the most concerning for me is not pvz/pvt but pvp where he seem to have lost his mojo, a matchup that he used to be rain-esque unbeatable in. watched him lost meekly 0-2 to omekim just now.,.

Well he has been in the military for the last year and a half...


his pvz is still class and pvt okish as expected when his old form is taken into account. not pvp though. it has eerie vibes to how JD completely lost his zvz mojo as well. might have been how their stellar mirror matchup quality is due to how finetuned and precise their mechanics are back in the day, which is no longer case in a more casual streamer era


Before going to the military Bisu was rocking a solid 23-3 (88.46%) PvP record in post-kespa tournament games. I'd say he was acceptably proficient in that matchup

https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/players/125_Bisu


i was hesitant to use pre military stats there was a real lack of quality p opposition and total games in general. compare it to rain where he get plenty of wins over snow best stork mini etc..


It really isn't Bisu's fault that no other protoss stepped up. One can only compare him with the opposition that was available at the time.
Also, Bisu's stats include 1-0 vs Rain and 3-0 vs Mini.
On September 06 2019 21:21 Brainojack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 21:16 ggrrg wrote:
On August 31 2019 19:51 Alejandrisha wrote:
@attackzerg i wish the spoilers had vods in them :p
i can't stream afreeca very well. as in not at all. really pisses me off. i really want to see bisu play. anyone have youtube vods?


When I try to watch an Afreeca stream on TL it crashes within 2 minutes. I can watch the streams fine if I open them on the Afreeca website. It still may crash once at the beginning but after restarting it, it works fine.


On September 06 2019 14:23 ggsimida wrote:
On September 05 2019 11:49 PorkSoda wrote:
On September 01 2019 16:31 ggsimida wrote:
the most concerning for me is not pvz/pvt but pvp where he seem to have lost his mojo, a matchup that he used to be rain-esque unbeatable in. watched him lost meekly 0-2 to omekim just now.,.

Well he has been in the military for the last year and a half...


his pvz is still class and pvt okish as expected when his old form is taken into account. not pvp though. it has eerie vibes to how JD completely lost his zvz mojo as well. might have been how their stellar mirror matchup quality is due to how finetuned and precise their mechanics are back in the day, which is no longer case in a more casual streamer era


Before going to the military Bisu was rocking a solid 23-3 (88.46%) PvP record in post-kespa tournament games. I'd say he was acceptably proficient in that matchup

https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/players/125_Bisu


Who is Lazy and why are two of bisu's losses vs him?


I assume "Lazy" was Bisu's attitude going into those games.
Brainojack
Profile Joined March 2018
Canada195 Posts
September 06 2019 13:10 GMT
#1962
On September 06 2019 21:59 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 21:40 ggsimida wrote:
On September 06 2019 21:16 ggrrg wrote:
On August 31 2019 19:51 Alejandrisha wrote:
@attackzerg i wish the spoilers had vods in them :p
i can't stream afreeca very well. as in not at all. really pisses me off. i really want to see bisu play. anyone have youtube vods?


When I try to watch an Afreeca stream on TL it crashes within 2 minutes. I can watch the streams fine if I open them on the Afreeca website. It still may crash once at the beginning but after restarting it, it works fine.


On September 06 2019 14:23 ggsimida wrote:
On September 05 2019 11:49 PorkSoda wrote:
On September 01 2019 16:31 ggsimida wrote:
the most concerning for me is not pvz/pvt but pvp where he seem to have lost his mojo, a matchup that he used to be rain-esque unbeatable in. watched him lost meekly 0-2 to omekim just now.,.

Well he has been in the military for the last year and a half...


his pvz is still class and pvt okish as expected when his old form is taken into account. not pvp though. it has eerie vibes to how JD completely lost his zvz mojo as well. might have been how their stellar mirror matchup quality is due to how finetuned and precise their mechanics are back in the day, which is no longer case in a more casual streamer era


Before going to the military Bisu was rocking a solid 23-3 (88.46%) PvP record in post-kespa tournament games. I'd say he was acceptably proficient in that matchup

https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/players/125_Bisu


i was hesitant to use pre military stats there was a real lack of quality p opposition and total games in general. compare it to rain where he get plenty of wins over snow best stork mini etc..


It really isn't Bisu's fault that no other protoss stepped up. One can only compare him with the opposition that was available at the time.
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On September 06 2019 21:21 Brainojack wrote:
On September 06 2019 21:16 ggrrg wrote:
On August 31 2019 19:51 Alejandrisha wrote:
@attackzerg i wish the spoilers had vods in them :p
i can't stream afreeca very well. as in not at all. really pisses me off. i really want to see bisu play. anyone have youtube vods?


When I try to watch an Afreeca stream on TL it crashes within 2 minutes. I can watch the streams fine if I open them on the Afreeca website. It still may crash once at the beginning but after restarting it, it works fine.


On September 06 2019 14:23 ggsimida wrote:
On September 05 2019 11:49 PorkSoda wrote:
On September 01 2019 16:31 ggsimida wrote:
the most concerning for me is not pvz/pvt but pvp where he seem to have lost his mojo, a matchup that he used to be rain-esque unbeatable in. watched him lost meekly 0-2 to omekim just now.,.

Well he has been in the military for the last year and a half...


his pvz is still class and pvt okish as expected when his old form is taken into account. not pvp though. it has eerie vibes to how JD completely lost his zvz mojo as well. might have been how their stellar mirror matchup quality is due to how finetuned and precise their mechanics are back in the day, which is no longer case in a more casual streamer era


Before going to the military Bisu was rocking a solid 23-3 (88.46%) PvP record in post-kespa tournament games. I'd say he was acceptably proficient in that matchup

https://tl.net/tlpd/sospa/players/125_Bisu


Who is Lazy and why are two of bisu's losses vs him?


I assume "Lazy" was Bisu's attitude going into those games.


haha...i thought it was awesome when people were talking Rain up against Flash and using the fact that he "didn't practice and was lazy" as an argument for Rain. So cerebral!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10140 Posts
September 06 2019 14:04 GMT
#1963
On September 06 2019 14:08 Alejandrisha wrote:
i agree i am a victim of goat fever when it comes to rain's pvp. i wasn't watching bw as much as you were in bisu's peak, jealousy, but was he really able to take down the top protosses effortlessly and win even in so-called bo/losses? and win every mind game alsmost every game. i will look for some vods. do you have a recommended year for bisu's pvp?

Granted, I believe you are exaggerating ("effortlessly" "every game"), but I would say that Bisu's dominance in PvP during the KeSPA era was certainly more important than Rain's in the modern era.

One example of his dominance that comes to mind is the ClubDay MSL. This was during peak "Six Dragons" era. What this means is that there was a confluence of good Protoss maps and good form for six Protoss players - Bisu, Stork, JangBi, Best, Free, and Kal. As a result, the entire top 4 of this MSL was comprised of top Protoss players. Not really a spoiler given the subject matter, but Bisu won. You can see the match-up scores here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL/player_stats

And Bisu's games in the tournament here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/players/125_Bisu/games/vs/P/during/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL

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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
September 06 2019 14:24 GMT
#1964
Bisu vs JD going on atm
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
September 07 2019 05:15 GMT
#1965
On September 06 2019 23:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 14:08 Alejandrisha wrote:
i agree i am a victim of goat fever when it comes to rain's pvp. i wasn't watching bw as much as you were in bisu's peak, jealousy, but was he really able to take down the top protosses effortlessly and win even in so-called bo/losses? and win every mind game alsmost every game. i will look for some vods. do you have a recommended year for bisu's pvp?

Granted, I believe you are exaggerating ("effortlessly" "every game"), but I would say that Bisu's dominance in PvP during the KeSPA era was certainly more important than Rain's in the modern era.

One example of his dominance that comes to mind is the ClubDay MSL. This was during peak "Six Dragons" era. What this means is that there was a confluence of good Protoss maps and good form for six Protoss players - Bisu, Stork, JangBi, Best, Free, and Kal. As a result, the entire top 4 of this MSL was comprised of top Protoss players. Not really a spoiler given the subject matter, but Bisu won. You can see the match-up scores here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL/player_stats

And Bisu's games in the tournament here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/players/125_Bisu/games/vs/P/during/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL


thanks!!
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
September 07 2019 05:32 GMT
#1966
On September 06 2019 23:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2019 14:08 Alejandrisha wrote:
i agree i am a victim of goat fever when it comes to rain's pvp. i wasn't watching bw as much as you were in bisu's peak, jealousy, but was he really able to take down the top protosses effortlessly and win even in so-called bo/losses? and win every mind game alsmost every game. i will look for some vods. do you have a recommended year for bisu's pvp?

Granted, I believe you are exaggerating ("effortlessly" "every game"), but I would say that Bisu's dominance in PvP during the KeSPA era was certainly more important than Rain's in the modern era.

One example of his dominance that comes to mind is the ClubDay MSL. This was during peak "Six Dragons" era. What this means is that there was a confluence of good Protoss maps and good form for six Protoss players - Bisu, Stork, JangBi, Best, Free, and Kal. As a result, the entire top 4 of this MSL was comprised of top Protoss players. Not really a spoiler given the subject matter, but Bisu won. You can see the match-up scores here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL/player_stats

And Bisu's games in the tournament here:

https://tl.net/tlpd/korean/players/125_Bisu/games/vs/P/during/155_2008_ClubDay_MSL


Bisu was good at PvP but hardly "dominated" the scene. Had a decent win % PvP and he was favorite against most players but you could never put him 100% over say, Stork, Best or even Jangbi. I remeber clearly Bisu vs Stork was a classic PvP matchup but never a dominated one. Since you like statistics:

Bisu vs Stork
https://tl.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=125&part=games&vs=59&league=any&map=any&from_year=2004&from_month=9&from_day=28&to_year=2018&to_month=9&to_day=1&action=Update



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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-07 13:43:26
September 07 2019 13:26 GMT
#1967
On September 06 2019 21:59 ggrrg wrote:



It really isn't Bisu's fault that no other protoss stepped up. One can only compare him with the opposition that was available at the time.
Also, Bisu's stats include 1-0 vs Rain and 3-0 vs Mini.


most of his wins came from the pre-flash era where sea and killer were the top dog players of the time. going by your logic sea and killer would still be stellar players today, but look where they are when they last played recently. mini is generally average in pvp. the pool of players back then weren't different, just smaller. and most of them at that time are still adjusting away from sc2
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7998 Posts
September 09 2019 08:30 GMT
#1968
Bisu vs Effort ?!?!



+ Show Spoiler +
with 416 apm , maybe it's indeed effort !
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-10 21:05:21
September 10 2019 21:03 GMT
#1969
Someone in Bonyth's stream mentioned that Bisu was recently challenged to a Bo3 sponsored match vs someone who claimed to be China's top Terran player (TL thread about him), I figured its a nice link to put here as well. Of course it wasn't nearly as close a series as those he has vs other Korean pros, but it was a fun watch even just to witness the skills difference.

VOD here, and the Bo3 starts at 45min into the stream.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
September 10 2019 21:34 GMT
#1970
On September 11 2019 06:03 VioleTAK wrote:
Someone in Bonyth's stream mentioned that Bisu was recently challenged to a Bo3 sponsored match vs someone who claimed to be China's top Terran player (TL thread about him), I figured its a nice link to put here as well. Of course it wasn't nearly as close a series as those he has vs other Korean pros, but it was a fun watch even just to witness the skills difference.

VOD here, and the Bo3 starts at 45min into the stream.


I think he did a pretty good job considering he was playing vs. legend but of course all games felt how he was slowly getting choked to death.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7998 Posts
September 11 2019 04:17 GMT
#1971
Bisu (Z) vs Flash(P)

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
September 11 2019 13:00 GMT
#1972
Bo3 Bisu vs CN_Bus (chinese terran user) live now

VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
September 11 2019 17:19 GMT
#1973
On September 11 2019 22:00 onlystar wrote:
Bo3 Bisu vs CN_Bus (chinese terran user) live now


How did it go?
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-11 17:44:59
September 11 2019 17:44 GMT
#1974
On September 12 2019 02:19 VioleTAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2019 22:00 onlystar wrote:
Bo3 Bisu vs CN_Bus (chinese terran user) live now


How did it go?

+ Show Spoiler +
game1 zealot pressure into fe was able to stop terrans moveout quick game bisu won
game2 proxy robo vs raxcc easy win for bisu aswell

VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
September 11 2019 22:50 GMT
#1975
Heh the Chinese community is really making good use of current-day opportunities, to play with legends. Pay some money to the streamers and get a Bo3, they're probably doing it with other pros we don't follow as closely as well. And Bisu's viewers love the whole Korea vs China thing, he even puts the national anthem after the wins if I'm not mistaken.

So far Bisu allowed Bo3 from the following Chinese challengers:

Bisu vs Mihu (T) - VOD - Timestamp: 45min
Bisu vs CN_Bus (T) - VOD - Timestamp: 26min
Bisu vs [SvS]Jedi (Z) - VOD - Timestamp: 1min as stream starts.

I think its really cool, they're playing with one of their heroes, they get very nice replays to study, and they're probably gonna keep throwing $ at Bisu until one of them snags a victory and bragging rights against all the others that failed lol While Bisu's getting the cash plus a fun show for viewers that totally dig the chellenge theme.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
September 12 2019 02:07 GMT
#1976
On September 12 2019 07:50 VioleTAK wrote:
Heh the Chinese community is really making good use of current-day opportunities, to play with legends. Pay some money to the streamers and get a Bo3, they're probably doing it with other pros we don't follow as closely as well. And Bisu's viewers love the whole Korea vs China thing, he even puts the national anthem after the wins if I'm not mistaken.

So far Bisu allowed Bo3 from the following Chinese challengers:

Bisu vs Mihu (T) - VOD - Timestamp: 45min
Bisu vs CN_Bus (T) - VOD - Timestamp: 26min
Bisu vs [SvS]Jedi (Z) - VOD - Timestamp: 1min as stream starts.

I think its really cool, they're playing with one of their heroes, they get very nice replays to study, and they're probably gonna keep throwing $ at Bisu until one of them snags a victory and bragging rights against all the others that failed lol While Bisu's getting the cash plus a fun show for viewers that totally dig the chellenge theme.

not the national anthem. its this

any korean who remembers watching the 2002 world cup will feel more nationalistic pride from that song than the actual national anthem
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-16 11:56:23
September 12 2019 16:11 GMT
#1977
Heh that's great, good to know! Today he played it many many times after every China match.

The China top players challenged Bisu for a long sponsored series on today's stream. He will probably release a youtube video about it soon is my guess, because it was quite an event 7k viewers on Bisu's side, and apparently many thousands on the Chinese streams as well.

The whole series is played match by match in this VOD, a few hours long, from Bisu's point of view. Or if you want to see the Chinese observer point of view of both sides, you can watch it here.

Bisu vs KukuBoy (PvP)
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2:0


Bisu vs Mihu (PvT)
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2:0


Bisu vs Fengzi (PvZ)
Bisu remembered Fengzi from PLU and was happy for the match.
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2-0


Bisu vs TheFJ (PvZ)
Fj requested first map to be Tres Pass, which made Bisu seriously lol, and he accepted.
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2-0


Bisu vs DuGuQiuBai (PvZ)
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2-0


Bisu vs JayStar (PvP)
Bisu also remembered JayStar of course
Result: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu 2-0


So apparently on the Chinese streams they had 1 observer stream and one copy of Bisu's FPVOD stream, plus a couple other top players commentating on other streams, and someone in chat said they were having over 13k total viewers in China, though I don't know if that was true. But so nice to see China has such an active BW scene going. They were all writing a lot of admiration messages about Bisu during the series.

Edit: More China challenges from the 15/09 - VOD:

Bisu vs Jedi (PvZ) - Timestamp: 15min
Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu is surpised to have won the first game.

PvZ, Bisu vs Shabigoucaiqin (PvZ) - Timestamp: 49min
Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +
Bisu goes fullpower Scouts

Bisu vs (2) Jedi & Shabigoucaiqin (PvZ, Z team controlled)- Timestamp: 1h 28min
Spoilers: + Show Spoiler +
After losing 0-24 total in games up to this point, this is the first ever victory of China team. Final result Bisu loses 1-2


I started a "Bisu vs China" thread instead of updating here
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8641 Posts
September 16 2019 05:45 GMT
#1978

the game where bisu goes scout reaver against a chinese player. dat scout micro
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-16 08:41:49
September 16 2019 08:40 GMT
#1979
Bisu is just a god at broodwar, god damn it took them to have team melee vs bisu solo to win and bisu even won a game. Thats pretty insane.

How strong are the chinese players compared to our foreign scene?
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10140 Posts
September 16 2019 15:46 GMT
#1980
On September 16 2019 17:40 Shock710 wrote:
Bisu is just a god at broodwar, god damn it took them to have team melee vs bisu solo to win and bisu even won a game. Thats pretty insane.

How strong are the chinese players compared to our foreign scene?

Historically speaking, they are stronger, but it's hard to say now. I'd probably still give the upper echelon of Chinese players over the rest of the top foreigners, but the margin isn't that great.
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