On September 12 2013 20:58 EndingLife wrote: I'm sure he's playing, maybe not streaming yet or maybe won't stream entirely. This doesn't mean we won't see some of the ex pros playing vs some mysterious gosu Protoss
Reminds me of the time that Flash played Bisu (I think) while both were smurfing and Bisu tried out a strange strategy for an upcoming game against Flash...
On September 13 2013 06:27 N.geNuity wrote: that was baby on match point. he did a marine rush and bisu said he saw the strategy the previous night on the ladder
edit: oh wait totally misread that, that could be the case.
what's funnier is the baby story though.
edit2: like wtf these interviews disappeared into fucking the void. february 2010 mst group 7 interview is where it would be.
haha so funny. Imagine being Bisu, playing the game then realizing that the strat you are facing is one you just played against the night before. He must've connected the dots after that XD
Edit : I think out of old skool terrans Nada is best due to his surviving skills, when boxer can't win anymore he blame it on bw having replays hamper creativity. Actually it needs an even higher degree of creativity/understanding to break. Boxer is more like a starter in business, good in startups but not follow through.
On September 10 2013 18:33 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 10 2013 17:47 Elroi wrote:
An insider from SKT1 confirmed that "the steep decline in the number of fans had a negative effect on the motivation of players, including Bisu." He added that "regrettably, at the current state, it will become even harder for the players who still remember the glorious past to continue their progaming careers."
oh man...
On September 10 2013 16:59 LegalLord wrote: The death of BW killed esports. It proved that a game couldn't be played professionally for an extended period of time after the profit motive for playing the game wanes.
Who will stick by SC2 or even LoL when times get tough? No one, given that BW didn't last.
This is a good point.
I see it more as esports being kinda an Icarus story, where it was too ambitious, and flew too close to the sun.
The big, infrastructured esports started with BW, but even then it was in somewhat of a decline. They then cannibalised that infrastructure to try and have it catch on outside Korea. But the level of interest simply doesn't exist outside of Korea yet, it might not even have existed in Korea at the level that they wanted it.
Instead of letting a game/scene develop it's fanbase/infrastructure organically, to an extent that is sustainable, they tried to fast-track it by using the fresh corpse of the professional BW scene as a launching pad, and forcing it to their ideal of what it should be, unsurprisingly it wasn't sustainable. Now we are just witnessing the melting of those waxy wings.
These are good points.
Everything starts with the game itself. If you want to start at square 1, it's the game. The game has to be good. It has to be fun for the players while at the same time enjoyable to watch from a spectator perspective. The game has to be challenging enough to draw out the best players from the average. SC2 has absolutely none of these characteristics. It's blizzard's and all the western players' - butt-hurt from getting smacked by Koreans in BW - fault for, as mentioned above, pushing a poor game to create an artificial climate for "professional" competition because they wanted what the Koreans had without working for it.
edit: the fault also lies partly in kespa's terrible management policies for BW and the kespa-blizzard legal spat.
have to say korea overly respect US. Once US implement something, korea will follow so as not to spoil relationship. Its the same for Kespa-blizzard saga.
On September 10 2013 18:33 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 10 2013 17:47 Elroi wrote:
An insider from SKT1 confirmed that "the steep decline in the number of fans had a negative effect on the motivation of players, including Bisu." He added that "regrettably, at the current state, it will become even harder for the players who still remember the glorious past to continue their progaming careers."
oh man...
On September 10 2013 16:59 LegalLord wrote: The death of BW killed esports. It proved that a game couldn't be played professionally for an extended period of time after the profit motive for playing the game wanes.
Who will stick by SC2 or even LoL when times get tough? No one, given that BW didn't last.
This is a good point.
I see it more as esports being kinda an Icarus story, where it was too ambitious, and flew too close to the sun.
The big, infrastructured esports started with BW, but even then it was in somewhat of a decline. They then cannibalised that infrastructure to try and have it catch on outside Korea. But the level of interest simply doesn't exist outside of Korea yet, it might not even have existed in Korea at the level that they wanted it.
Instead of letting a game/scene develop it's fanbase/infrastructure organically, to an extent that is sustainable, they tried to fast-track it by using the fresh corpse of the professional BW scene as a launching pad, and forcing it to their ideal of what it should be, unsurprisingly it wasn't sustainable. Now we are just witnessing the melting of those waxy wings.
These are good points.
Everything starts with the game itself. If you want to start at square 1, it's the game. The game has to be good. It has to be fun for the players while at the same time enjoyable to watch from a spectator perspective. The game has to be challenging enough to draw out the best players from the average. SC2 has absolutely none of these characteristics. It's blizzard's and all the western players' - butt-hurt from getting smacked by Koreans in BW - fault for, as mentioned above, pushing a poor game to create an artificial climate for "professional" competition because they wanted what the Koreans had without working for it.
edit: the fault also lies partly in kespa's terrible management policies for BW and the kespa-blizzard legal spat.
have to say korea overly respect US. Once US implement something, korea will follow so as not to spoil relationship. Its the same for Kespa-blizzard saga.
Pretty sure white horse isn't talking about diplomatic relationship here......
On September 10 2013 18:33 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
On September 10 2013 17:47 Elroi wrote:
An insider from SKT1 confirmed that "the steep decline in the number of fans had a negative effect on the motivation of players, including Bisu." He added that "regrettably, at the current state, it will become even harder for the players who still remember the glorious past to continue their progaming careers."
oh man...
On September 10 2013 16:59 LegalLord wrote: The death of BW killed esports. It proved that a game couldn't be played professionally for an extended period of time after the profit motive for playing the game wanes.
Who will stick by SC2 or even LoL when times get tough? No one, given that BW didn't last.
This is a good point.
I see it more as esports being kinda an Icarus story, where it was too ambitious, and flew too close to the sun.
The big, infrastructured esports started with BW, but even then it was in somewhat of a decline. They then cannibalised that infrastructure to try and have it catch on outside Korea. But the level of interest simply doesn't exist outside of Korea yet, it might not even have existed in Korea at the level that they wanted it.
Instead of letting a game/scene develop it's fanbase/infrastructure organically, to an extent that is sustainable, they tried to fast-track it by using the fresh corpse of the professional BW scene as a launching pad, and forcing it to their ideal of what it should be, unsurprisingly it wasn't sustainable. Now we are just witnessing the melting of those waxy wings.
These are good points.
Everything starts with the game itself. If you want to start at square 1, it's the game. The game has to be good. It has to be fun for the players while at the same time enjoyable to watch from a spectator perspective. The game has to be challenging enough to draw out the best players from the average. SC2 has absolutely none of these characteristics. It's blizzard's and all the western players' - butt-hurt from getting smacked by Koreans in BW - fault for, as mentioned above, pushing a poor game to create an artificial climate for "professional" competition because they wanted what the Koreans had without working for it.
edit: the fault also lies partly in kespa's terrible management policies for BW and the kespa-blizzard legal spat.
have to say korea overly respect US. Once US implement something, korea will follow so as not to spoil relationship. Its the same for Kespa-blizzard saga.
Pretty sure white horse isn't talking about diplomatic relationship here......
On September 16 2013 16:08 Carefree wrote: Any news on whether he will be streaming or not?
Rumour has it that he has bought a mic, webcam and created an afreeca account. No timeframe but his afreeca already has 426 followers without having streamed yet heh.
SKT 이승석 선수 섭외하였습니다 이제부터 보물 보따리 섭외 선수들 한명씩 풀어드리겠습니다 기대해주세요 ^^^^^
Bad english translation machine translated ....
SKT has the player win seats contact from now on will be released one by one, players grab bag contact treasure please look forward ^^ ^^ ^ (Translated by Bing)
Looks like more skt players are getting release from their contract ?
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