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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:27 thezanursic wrote: I was just curious, do you guys think Bisu would have had a good chance of winning Starleagues in 2010-2013 if it were not for Blizzard and the Matchfixing scandal reducing the number of starleagues from basically 3 to 1 (ignoring how MBCGame would hold up if everything went smoothly).? + Show Spoiler + 2005 2 wins - 3 losses (40.00%) 2006 19 wins - 13 losses (59.38%) 2007 Wins 2 MSLs 63 wins - 41 losses (60.58%) 2008 59 wins - 35 losses (62.77%) 2009 Wins an MSL, GOMTV Invitational, WCG Korea and get's Ro4 in Batoo OSL. 96 wins - 37 losses (72.18%) 2010 58 wins - 35 losses (62.37%) 2011 58 wins - 20 losses (74.36%) 2012 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) Impossible to say. He certainly had the potential to win more, but there are so many factors at play here that it's not possible to make a judgment. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:27 thezanursic wrote: I was just curious, do you guys think Bisu would have had a good chance of winning Starleagues in 2010-2013 if it were not for Blizzard and the Matchfixing scandal reducing the number of starleagues from basically 3 to 1 (ignoring how MBCGame would hold up if everything went smoothly).? + Show Spoiler + 2005 2 wins - 3 losses (40.00%) 2006 19 wins - 13 losses (59.38%) 2007 Wins 2 MSLs 63 wins - 41 losses (60.58%) 2008 59 wins - 35 losses (62.77%) 2009 Wins an MSL, GOMTV Invitational, WCG Korea and get's Ro4 in Batoo OSL. 96 wins - 37 losses (72.18%) 2010 58 wins - 35 losses (62.37%) 2011 58 wins - 20 losses (74.36%) 2012 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) No, because Shine would have knocked him out. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:27 thezanursic wrote: I was just curious, do you guys think Bisu would have had a good chance of winning Starleagues in 2010-2013 if it were not for Blizzard and the Matchfixing scandal reducing the number of starleagues from basically 3 to 1 (ignoring how MBCGame would hold up if everything went smoothly).? + Show Spoiler + 2005 2 wins - 3 losses (40.00%) 2006 19 wins - 13 losses (59.38%) 2007 Wins 2 MSLs 63 wins - 41 losses (60.58%) 2008 59 wins - 35 losses (62.77%) 2009 Wins an MSL, GOMTV Invitational, WCG Korea and get's Ro4 in Batoo OSL. 96 wins - 37 losses (72.18%) 2010 58 wins - 35 losses (62.37%) 2011 58 wins - 20 losses (74.36%) 2012 16 wins - 6 losses (72.73%) Overall win-rates doesn't mirror Bisu's chances in individual leagues that well because he was a player that was highly dependent on surrounding circumstances. Things such as the map pool used, brackets, and his schedule demands at the time. Of course, all players were influenced by these things, but for Bisu, it was a notch more visible in my opinion. While Bisu was never the complete player that so many people wanted him to be, he had elements in his gaming that was almost supernatural in some aspects. One of the most amazing multi-taskers in the game, some of the cleanest, most well refined mechanics that could be witnessed in FPVODs, as well as being able to absorb various styles of other protoss players in his teams and being able to expand on that due to his almost perfect hardware for the game itself. It was the case when he took in the best of Pusan, and got renowned for his flawless macromanagement. Something which even Flash was taken aback by, and stood in awe as he tried to understand how Bisu could produce non-stop from his gates without skipping a single beat. He never had the full mastery of protoss units like Stork did, but at the same time, had taken several things to the next level such as his probe scouting micromanagement, and corsair micromanagement. All in all, one of the most brilliant geniuses of the game, and one that will be fondly remembered for due to his meteoric rise to success, epic performances when things clicked, and the dramatic nature of his career. I still don't know how an earth he managed to stop that push from Flash (I swear to god Bisu set things on slow motion), and although I spent so much time arguing against his die-hard fans, and sneered at girls who just oggled at Bisu without even knowing which race he was playing, there's no denying that he was a treasure for the scene, both as a professional gamer, and an icon for the e-Sports scene in general. I never bothered to follow him in his pursuits in Starcraft 2, and from what I've heard, he hasn't done that well, but it's something he cannot be judged on, and his legacy doesn't get tainted in any shape or form in my opinion. It's something he tried out after switching his career as an elite gamer in the most competitive gaming scene the world has ever seen, and there were obviously huge motivational issues. It's really sad to see him retire, especially when you know deep inside that had the scene stayed alive, he still would have been entertaining us with his magic. It's been a great ride nonetheless. | ||
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sceroh
Belgium182 Posts
 http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/1659_Bisu_vs_sAviOr/vod | ||
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Kanil
United States1713 Posts
On September 11 2013 05:38 Antisocialmunky wrote: No, because Shine would have knocked him out. Precisely. Bisu + OSL = never going to happen, no matter what. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On September 09 2013 11:30 rebdomine wrote: Still get chills when I watch that last true SPL ace match he played in. I really hope he comes back to BW. Even as a Flash fan I look back on that game very fondly. Best of luck in your future endeavors Bisu! | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Sad day for the Protoss | ||
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
On September 11 2013 01:10 Ribbon wrote: The what, now? As I recall it 1. It gets out that Savior and like half the BW scene are all fixing matches for the Korean mafia. Not trying to sound offensive, but please get your facts straight: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=125601 7 players in total. That's not nearly "like half the BW scene". On September 11 2013 01:10 Ribbon wrote: The what, now? As I recall it 3. KeSPA continues playing BW for a while, but interest is clearly down from the 2007 highs. The foreign BW scene becomes totally insufferably whiny. Again, please get your facts straight: Proleague Revival - Huge Crowd Turnouts, Rising Viewership: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121552&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= SK Planet Proleague: Yongsan Stadium at Full Capacity: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121998&db=Global 10-11 Proleague Finals Match Ranks 1st in Viewership: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257268 BW popularity in Korea was never down from 2007, and if anything continued to be just as strong, even in its final year. The issue was with the sponsors. Typically it goes like this: people interested = money, but the match-fixing scandal, the KeSPA-Blizzard quarrel, and SC2's foreign popularity caused the sponsors to become increasingly more apprehensive towards BW. To the point where there were no more sponsors available at all. They simply felt there was more money to be had in a new shiny product. But that doesn't change the fact that viewership and popularity for BW was as high and solid as it ever was. | ||
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carokann
46 Posts
On September 11 2013 09:51 Masheyoon wrote: Again, please get your facts straight: Proleague Revival - Huge Crowd Turnouts, Rising Viewership: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121552&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd= SK Planet Proleague: Yongsan Stadium at Full Capacity: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121998&db=Global 10-11 Proleague Finals Match Ranks 1st in Viewership: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257268 BW popularity in Korea was never down from 2007, and if anything continued to be just as strong, even in its final year. The issue was with the sponsors. Typically it goes like this: people interested = money, but the match-fixing scandal, the KeSPA-Blizzard quarrel, and SC2's foreign popularity caused the sponsors to become increasingly more apprehensive towards BW. To the point where there were no more sponsors available at all. They simply felt there was more money to be had in a new shiny product. But that doesn't change the fact that viewership and popularity for BW was as high and solid as it ever was. Wow. I've been following BW since 2011 and I've always assumed that the whole "2007 was the peak of BW popularity" narrative was true. Thanks very much for linking those articles sir. BTW is there an archive somewhere of all the optical shot translations? These were awesome. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Yeah 2011 opened with a bang. People were so eager to watch, especially after all the rumours of it going down and delayed and stuff. Despite the "decline", 2007-2011 BW was still the undisputed #1 eSports in Korea. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
I honestly would go nuts if I had seen a Bisu vs Fantasy best of 5, simply because of the mind-games, even if I know it's likely to be a 3-0 Fanta stomp given his exhibited prowess in vP; and it's also likely that Fanta would have won over Jangbi once in the 2 SLs in that same vein. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
OSL? Lost cause. On an additional note, it's nice to see most of the BW forum vets (who've basically disappeared from TL altogether or gone over to Dota 2) post. Such a warm and fuzzy feeling being "around" people who love BW as much as you do. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On September 11 2013 12:32 pylonsalad wrote: I would put Bisu's chances of winning a SL at about the same odds as Zero's chances, assuming he starts in the group stages and doesn't have to go through qualifiers. In series play he would be a favorite over most players except for Flash, Fantasy, and strong PvP'ers such as Stork, Horang2, Stats and maybe a hot Jangbi. He's a strong favorite over all the zergs in macro games including Jaedong but of course any zerg can take out any protoss with a couple of good hydra busts. His main problem would be getting by Flash. Simply put, if no one takes out Flash for him, Bisu is not winning a SL. Even that PL grand finals win was a fluke. Of all the big name potential champions at the time (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, Zero, Fantasy, Jangbi) I would say Bisu has the least chance of beating Flash in a series. Not really. Bisu had Jaedong's number in specific maps that he made his home ground, whereas Jaedong's main maps during the ProLeague season wasn't those map pools. There's a reason why SK Telecom T1 had an astonishing advantage over other teams due to having two superb players that could efficiently divide the map pool. In standard games, on standard maps that both players were completely familiar with, Jaedong would have been the favourite (there are plenty of anecdotes to prove this theory). There's a reason why Bisu kept failing against zergs in individual leagues, as great as he was in the match-up, he was suspect to failure on maps that he didn't make into his own. Bisu's main problem was not just Flash, there's a reason why he failed to make any impact in so many of the individual leagues he entered. His success was dependent on so many different variables that the stars aligning for him to shine through didn't come regularly enough. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On September 11 2013 12:32 pylonsalad wrote:Of all the big name potential champions at the time (Bisu, Jaedong, Stork, Zero, Fantasy, Jangbi) I would say Bisu has the least chance of beating Flash in a series. Eh, I think he had (has? I'm confused about the present tense here) a better chance than Zero did... | ||
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quuad
Sweden77 Posts
On September 11 2013 11:05 Ciryandor wrote: I honestly would go nuts if I had seen a Bisu vs Fantasy best of 5, simply because of the mind-games, even if I know it's likely to be a 3-0 Fanta stomp given his exhibited prowess in vP; and it's also likely that Fanta would have won over Jangbi once in the 2 SLs in that same vein. Well they did play a bo5, did they not? In Fantasy's second OSL silver run. Fantasy was sort of the king of teamkills though, I recall how he kept getting paired with his zerg team mates and kept demolishing them. On a side note, it'd have been interesting to see Fanta vs Best too. I think Fantasy complained in some interview that he lost a lot in practice against his P team mates. And for some reason I feel Best would have been a bigger threat than Bisu. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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