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prosatan
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On January 18 2025 19:32 prosatan wrote: Flash is streaming right now and he has over 7k viewers I got excited after seeing his tag on the sidebar, but he's sleeping in a junkyard or some abandoned construction site? Lmao | ||
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konadora
Singapore66363 Posts
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GTR
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 ssl challenger series has both MC and true in the top 4 which is interesting to note. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
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Jealous
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Peeano
Netherlands5630 Posts
On January 22 2025 11:46 RowdierBob wrote: Anyone have any insider knowledge about why Protoss has been so underrepresented in KCM recently? Not just this season but even back a season or two it seems they struggle to get any A/S class guys to play in it. Hmmm? KCM/Race Survival/2024/5If you ask me this season looks great so far in terms of players distribution. | ||
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
On January 22 2025 11:46 RowdierBob wrote: Anyone have any insider knowledge about why Protoss has been so underrepresented in KCM recently? Not just this season but even back a season or two it seems they struggle to get any A/S class guys to play in it. I think in particular Snow only played 1 week this season and he's by far the most consistent player in KCM for protoss. But also usually teams will send out 2 A-class players and then 1 b-teamer, but it's been reverse for protoss most weeks this season (Best + 2 b-teamers). Especially looking at the lineup for semifinals, they couldn't even get another A teamer to join Best??? | ||
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Dustinreyes
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
On January 22 2025 21:43 Peeano wrote: Hmmm? KCM/Race Survival/2024/5If you ask me this season looks great so far in terms of players distribution. Here are the past two playoffs lineups from Protoss: 2024/season 5 Tyson Motive Best Huro/teolbo 2024/season 4 Huro Snow Motive Best 2024/season 3 Best Stork Huro Snow Not godawful lineups but at least two B (or lower) players too. Zerg and Terran always seems to have their best guys (with the odd B teamer). Just curious if it were simply scheduling issues or if some other reason why P can’t field stronger lineups. | ||
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey791 Posts
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
1) In TvZ, Terran seems to wall at the natural all the time. Why is this (or rather, why was this not done often in the Kespa era)? 2) Likewise in TvP, Terran used to always wall the ramp. I'm guessing they don't need to do it anymore because they just make more marines which can provide other benefits? 3) Why is ZvT always 2hatch muta right now? I remember it has always gone back and forth between 2hatch and 3hatch throughout the matchup's history, but what specifically is it about 2hatch that is good (or 3hatch that is bad) in 2025? 4) In ZvP if Protoss rushes tech to 1base Reaver, how should Zerg defend this? Spire will not be up in time, should Zerg drop a Hydra Den immediately upon seeing 1base and start the movement speed upgrade? 5) In TvT, I don't remember Vulture openers being a thing but now they are very common, what's changed? | ||
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lemmata
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FlaShFTW
United States10472 Posts
On January 24 2025 01:26 Weasel- wrote: Few questions since I haven't played in a long time: 1) In TvZ, Terran seems to wall at the natural all the time. Why is this (or rather, why was this not done often in the Kespa era)? 2) Likewise in TvP, Terran used to always wall the ramp. I'm guessing they don't need to do it anymore because they just make more marines which can provide other benefits? 3) Why is ZvT always 2hatch muta right now? I remember it has always gone back and forth between 2hatch and 3hatch throughout the matchup's history, but what specifically is it about 2hatch that is good (or 3hatch that is bad) in 2025? 4) In ZvP if Protoss rushes tech to 1base Reaver, how should Zerg defend this? Spire will not be up in time, should Zerg drop a Hydra Den immediately upon seeing 1base and start the movement speed upgrade? 5) In TvT, I don't remember Vulture openers being a thing but now they are very common, what's changed? 1) People did try to wall off at the front for full wall setups, but rarely did they think that having a 1-2 opening gap was ok likely due to being scared of ling floods. But as players got better at defending, they got braver regarding making the natural wall. And also realizing that having the wall up immediately meant they were actually safer from ling floods than no wall. 2) Few factors on this: (i) siege expand being a build meant you didn't need units coming down the ramp early on, so a wall was fine while you get your tank/siege up behind your defenses (ii) players realized that shuttle/recall defense was way harder with a wall because it would bug your units out, (iii) better marine micro against early zealots meant players were not as afraid of no wall. 3) 3 hatch was the main build for a long time with 2h being thought of as an all-in build. But as mining efficiency got better, 2h became a normal build. Also, 3h would auto-lose to 111 builds and also is a disadvantaged build against 5rax. 2h and 2.5h have basically no counters. 4) Zerg may get an early den for anti-corsair typically but otherwise they just buy time for spire to get up. Spire is the best building against any 1 base protoss strategy. 5) 3 fact vulture was still a build back in KeSPA. | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
On January 24 2025 03:15 FlaShFTW wrote: 3) 3 hatch was the main build for a long time with 2h being thought of as an all-in build. But as mining efficiency got better, 2h became a normal build. Also, 3h would auto-lose to 111 builds and also is a disadvantaged build against 5rax. 2h and 2.5h have basically no counters. By mining efficiency do you mean stuff like mineral boosting? On January 24 2025 03:15 FlaShFTW wrote: 4) Zerg may get an early den for anti-corsair typically but otherwise they just buy time for spire to get up. Spire is the best building against any 1 base protoss strategy. I played a game vs a 1base Protoss whose Reaver/Shuttle were in my base before my Spire finished after I went something like overpool, hatch, hatch, gas. The Reaver just killed whatever few Zerglings I had and the morphing Spire, and I died to his moveout 2-3 mins later. This could have just been because my scouting was really bad as not only was it late but my drone went towards him first but left once I saw no buildings at the natural. If my scouting was better I could have made the Extractor earlier, but the timing still didn't look great. I don't have the replay anymore unfortunately. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10744 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8902 Posts
And Flash is also streaming and playing vs a strong protoss... but i can't figure who is it.... | ||
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prosatan
Romania8902 Posts
forGG played with him recently | ||
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