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Wrath
3176 Posts
On August 17 2016 13:37 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Tasteless and Artosis are incredible BW casters what are you smoking :/ I'm smoking reality. I'm too tired of listening to SC2 comparison. Also, they are truly entertaining casters, but when it comes to game knowledge, a lot of time give false information because they were away from the game over 6 years and seems to not bother to know what the meta is. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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NoS-Craig
Australia3173 Posts
Hopefully these new people can stick with the rebirth of the Brood War scene. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 17 2016 17:23 NoS-Craig wrote: I know rapid has got a bit of shit for his casting. But I've liked him so far in the ASL. Seemed easier on him with Wolf next to him during the Sea - Hero games. He makes a lot of comparisons and references to SC2 which might annoy some hardcore BW fans but I think it's good for people from SC2 who are a bit new to Brood War. Hopefully these new people can stick with the rebirth of the Brood War scene. Honestly, as a SC2 fan, I don't really need "SC2 comparisons" of these sort. Yeah, I like some babysitting in understanding what happens, but I am not retarded neither do I view the whole world in SC2 terms  Sure, for me it certainly helps that I played (ultracasually) BW before, but I don't think that it's very difficult to grasp what units are available and what aren't etc... More important would be comments on build orders and timings that are vastly different wrt SC2.edit: On August 17 2016 17:27 Scarbo wrote: SC2 players aren't morons. . I would never expect such high opinion of us in this forum, thanks | ||
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Scarbo
294 Posts
On August 17 2016 17:23 NoS-Craig wrote: I know rapid has got a bit of shit for his casting. But I've liked him so far in the ASL. Seemed easier on him with Wolf next to him during the Sea - Hero games. He makes a lot of comparisons and references to SC2 which might annoy some hardcore BW fans but I think it's good for people from SC2 who are a bit new to Brood War. Hopefully these new people can stick with the rebirth of the Brood War scene. These comparisons are bad because it would be a much cleaner explanation if they just said what they wanted. For example Rapid was making some comparison with the Wraith, Viking and Banshee. Instead he could've just said what the Wraith does and be done with it. SC2 players aren't morons. Meanwhile important shit is happening on the screen. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3173 Posts
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lestye
United States4269 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2614 Posts
On August 17 2016 03:04 B-royal wrote: I thought the casting was very bad from a game knowledge point of view and it irked me very much. 1st game: Don't even point out that opening CC first is not standard, Don't even point out that hero's 2 hatch play is very unorthodox. 2nd game: Repeatedly heard 3 hatch opening from 1 of the casters while it was clearly a 2 hatch opening. Then at some point the same caster mentioned 5 hatcheries when Hero only had 3? Continuous misjudging situations (Oh no 2 lings enter the main, this might be gg lol). Not even knowing dark swarm doesn't protect buildings from being sniped. Talking about hold position lurkers when everyone just attacks a building in the fog of war instead. Droning on about how hero is so far ahead + Show Spoiler [possible spoiler] + in the final game And please don't provide any excuses. They are professional casters. It's their job. I have to agree. Especially in that last game + Show Spoiler + How on earth could you think that Zerg is ahead?? It was so obvious that herO was really behind. He even desperately send in his Zerglings to take out at least a couple of SCVs to make it more even. I mean I can understand that he did not play BW, but even in SC2 you count the Workercount after a semi-cheese and can conclude who is ahead. Yeah, Zerg has a lot of less workers in BW compared to SC2, but still seeing like 6-8 drones mining compared to 13-15 SCVs should lead you to the conclussion that Terran is ahead and not the other way around. There were several other smaller mistakes, which I can easily forget, but such an elemental part of the game should be covered properly by casters. The sad part is that neither Wolf nor Rapid are that much worse than Tasteless. He completely forget what is going on in BW as well... So keeping that in mind Rapid and Wolf are doing a pretty solid job. Especially the non-gameknowledge related stuff like f.e. building up tension with their voice tone and level is pretty nice tbh. | ||
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cw
26 Posts
On August 17 2016 17:23 NoS-Craig wrote: I know rapid has got a bit of shit for his casting. But I've liked him so far in the ASL. Seemed easier on him with Wolf next to him during the Sea - Hero games. He makes a lot of comparisons and references to SC2 which might annoy some hardcore BW fans but I think it's good for people from SC2 who are a bit new to Brood War. Hopefully these new people can stick with the rebirth of the Brood War scene. i dont mind him he did great in solo cast much better than i could have hoped to do | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
Bisudagger & XKCD are good, but (no offense) I would so love Sayle to come back and cast some games. I dont know why, but to me Sayle is still the best. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On August 17 2016 20:02 lestye wrote: Does anyone know of a good youtuber for like, 2004-2008 content? Most people that I found mostly started casting, or at least uploading to youtube around 2008-2010. I'm particularly looking for games featuring Savior. I didn't find tooo much besides Blizzcon VODs. Cholera | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19398 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
Co-casters still seem to need a little more experience though as there is a lack of resources. Its not like liquipedia is really up to date on the BW strats during these interregum years. The article on late game TvZ mech transition is basically little more than a stub: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Late_mechanic And the Z version of the guide hasn't been updated in a year and a half: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Zerg_vs._Mech_Terran_Guide Given the lack of resources and goals of ASL, I'd give the casters a break until the scene is more established and big tourneys with official english casts are more common. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States350 Posts
On August 17 2016 02:20 opisska wrote: What surprised me the most was that there were no information apart from the gameplay - not even overall supply and resources. Is that a deliberate choice, or a technological limitation of observing in BW? I don't want to start any discussion as to what is better, I am simply curious how this is. There was a "unit counting station" on some of the later broadcasts that had resources, supply, etc- not sure why they don't start using it again. For watching games on iccup/replays, SC1 has literally everything SC2 has and more, excluding the production tab (download MCALauncher if you want to use the obs plugin). | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
Some FB content.Who can translate& | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
On August 17 2016 02:20 opisska wrote: I have seen some BW videos in the past, but the convenience of being broadcasted on GSL stream made me watch my first ever realtime BW match today. What surprised me the most was that there were no information apart from the gameplay - not even overall supply and resources. Is that a deliberate choice, or a technological limitation of observing in BW? I don't want to start any discussion as to what is better, I am simply curious how this is. IMO that's my favourite thing. It makes it much easier to make games a lot more hype. What always put me off of SC2 was they literally showed everything on screen. Not only does it flood the screen, but it also removes any point of watching the actual game. You can just stare at the numbers. :/ | ||
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miercat
394 Posts
 On August 17 2016 20:02 lestye wrote: Does anyone know of a good youtuber for like, 2004-2008 content? Most people that I found mostly started casting, or at least uploading to youtube around 2008-2010. I'm particularly looking for games featuring Savior. I didn't find tooo much besides Blizzcon VODs. https://www.youtube.com/user/KlazartSC/ | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
"He just finished researching siege mode". vs "He just finished researching siege mode. Now remember guys, in bw you have to research siege mode but in sc2 the tanks come with it automatically and that means you have to wait for it to research and spend extra gas to get it, so for those of you that are coming from sc2 thats something to keep in mind, we know there are some differences between the games so we're going to do our best to get you up to speed' Like, any normally intelligent person can immediately understand all of that from the first example without any further exposition. I think some of the hand holding comes off as remedial for even someone that never played BW. Having said this, Tasteless and Artosis are the most fluid and pro sounding casters maybe for any game period. I have a tremendous respect for their obvious dedication to the art of presentation. That doesn't come easy and I know there are people taking it for granted in this discussion. | ||
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lestye
United States4269 Posts
Thanks!! This is perfect. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
Don't know how the meta's changed now with the maps and stuff, but it's probably for the worse since the competition's lighter compared to back then (just look at zvz). | ||
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