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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-16 14:26:03
August 11 2006 08:00 GMT
#1
EDIT-

==NEW WORLD RECORDS on Single Player Twilight Struggle for all 3 races!==
=(replays and screenshots included!)=


31:42 T Struggle Wave236
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[replay corrupt at 17min because I paused it to answer the phone T_T]

49:28 Z Struggle Wave465
[image loading]

[This record MUST be beaten. I still don't know the best units to win with zerg. I'm thinking 24 hydras and 12 lurkers with some overlord and defiler support is the best assault force]


31:19 P Struggle Wave265
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[replay corrupt at 10min, don't know why]



Since I don't have the internet. I got the new patch and noticed a few new maps: (2)Bottleneck , (2)Boxer , (2)Twilight Struggle , (8)Jungle Rumble , (8)River Runs Through it, (2)Breaking Point, (2)Isolation, (2)Twisted Fate, (6)Crash Sites, & (4)Nightmare Station, . They all suck except Twilight Struggle which is a UMS map made for 1 or 2 players where you have to kill 4 cerebrates meanwhile the zergs get stronger every wave of attacks (which are constant). Its kind of like a Defense Map except you have to mount offensives in order to win. Very High macro apm type map if you play it on single player.

So anyways I finally beat it (without cheat codes). It took me about 2 hours and i was up to wave 1145 or something. I probably could have beaten it faster but i was experimenting with different unit combos. The best combo was MnM ,Goliaths, turrets, and Vessels (few bunks) defending 24/7 and Ghosts for Nuking the outposts and finally the cerebrates.

I had about 6 factories and 8-10 barracks constant pumping units and I was using Command Centers lifted in the middle for supplies because they kill your depots so fast its rediculous.

So, Lets get a healthy competition going to see who can beat it the fastest. My time was 1172th wave 02:06:09 I know it can be surpassed.

Also I have modified the map and created a *Protoss version as well as a *Zerg version. I Haven't beaten those ones yet. Feel free to download and post times.

Protoss version-

http://www.panschk.de/mappage/(2)Twilight Struggle-P(n).scx


Zerg version-

http://www.panschk.de/mappage/(2)Twilight Struggle-Z(n).scx

PS - If you save the game you can't save replays so goodluck. ^_-

PS PS- Also If you kill the Kakaru it sets the Zergs to 'Harder' Mode

Terran version is in the scenario folder. it came with the new patch.



UPDATE - ===Terran===

***Terran 1172th wave 02:06:09 ***

Terran is by far the hardest to win this with because all the units are weaker and goliaths cost more and they build faster out of more buildings and you have to stim and micro and buildings dont regenerate health they burn down. you have to constantly repair and rebuild turrets. then make command centers and fly them to the middle so you have supplies because depots take up too much space and die too easily. plus shitty SCVs have to buzz around the buildings they make and they get picked off or worse they get in the way of other scv trying to build when you try to be organized with your structures.


===Zerg strat ===

I think the best way to win with zerg is to pump drones till 76 control and drop another hatch below for faster mining. then get lurkers and lings and tripple upgrade and tech up to guardians and mutas with spores, overlords, lurkers, hydras, and lings for main de. Once you got like 2-2 air and 3-3-3 ground move out with like 8-12 guards 24 muta , 12 hydra, and a few lords and slow crush push the cerebrates. watch out though cause it seems like when you kill a 'base' they attack hard for a few minutes.

***I beat it as zerg in 58:15 on the 670th wave***

using mostly mass 3-3 hydra with 4-5 lurkers on each corner of my base for defense. I had 4-5 hatches on each side of my base plus one on top and on bottom of the minerals. constant pump of hydras with like 50 or so drones mining.


===Protoss strat ===

***I beat it as protoss in 43:48 on the 435th wave***

using an arbiter, obs,high temps, and dragoons as main assualt. With dark templar and high templar and massive amounts of cannons on defense. I moved out with 3-3-3 units at about 20 minutes or around 100th wave to kill top left base then retreated leftover units rebuilt to 200 psi and used all the spare cash to mass cannons before trying another assualt 150 waves later, then rebuild and assualt 100 waves after that, and then finally 80 waves later to seal the deal.

After playing this map 15 times or so I realized that the best way to win is kill the orange and brown bases (bottom left and top right) first because those are the bases that produce the guardians. I think when you kill the greater spires they stop spawning. Its probably best to avoid the middle yellow outposts and sneak as close to the edge of the map as possible and fight your way in as compact as possible so that way you have to fight less static de when going for the cerebrates.



Zerg: 57:00 - Patriot.dlk , 58:15 - CharlieMurphy
(replay)
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31681

Protoss: 36:00 - Patriot.dlk , 43:48 - CharlieMurphy
(replay)
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31682

Terran: 38:23 - Patriot.dlk , 52:24 - CharlieMurphy ,
(replay)
http://www.battlereports.com/viewreplays.php?replaynum=31769


replay
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
In)Spire
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1323 Posts
August 11 2006 08:34 GMT
#2
:O cool.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
August 11 2006 09:47 GMT
#3
I'm bumping this so others will see.
Moderator
spammerA
Profile Joined July 2006
China355 Posts
August 11 2006 09:58 GMT
#4
I went 12 barracks MnM hardcore but the torrsques are 4+5 armor so Im starting all over again
YunhOLee
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Canada2470 Posts
August 11 2006 10:18 GMT
#5
On August 11 2006 18:58 spammerA wrote:
I went 12 barracks MnM hardcore but the torrsques are 4+5 armor


lol
Live it, love it, play it, kill it. JulyZerg and IPXZerg greatest TL.net fan
Noun
Profile Joined March 2005
United States1026 Posts
August 11 2006 10:21 GMT
#6
Yamato Cannon those mother fuckers
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
August 11 2006 11:23 GMT
#7
This thing should have more minerals >_<
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
August 11 2006 11:25 GMT
#8
--- Nuked ---
Bladox
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada763 Posts
August 11 2006 12:43 GMT
#9
I reached a stable state where I could wait and sit down my ass for an infinite time... I'm at wave 521... and I'm nuking thri bases...
I use bunker walls backed by siege tanks and wraiths.
Huh no sorry... this game isnt like counter-strike... You actually need skills to play broodwar!
spammerA
Profile Joined July 2006
China355 Posts
August 11 2006 13:32 GMT
#10
has anybody beaten his 2 hour record yet?
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
August 11 2006 15:40 GMT
#11
I tried twice with toss.;; I killed one cerebrate then got overwhelmed by 2439057820493578 muta, desfiler, zergling, ultra, guardian -.-
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
August 11 2006 20:49 GMT
#12
40 minutes :p
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 11 2006 21:08 GMT
#13
5 minutes.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 11 2006 21:10 GMT
#14
On August 11 2006 21:43 Bladox wrote:
I reached a stable state where I could wait and sit down my ass for an infinite time... I'm at wave 521... and I'm nuking thri bases...
I use bunker walls backed by siege tanks and wraiths.


Lets use a whoever-survives-the-most-waves competition too!
2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 11 2006 21:30 GMT
#15
like it
2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 11 2006 21:31 GMT
#16
anyone already won it?
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-11 22:35:46
August 11 2006 21:37 GMT
#17
This sounds cool, I want my Broodwar back. t_t

Edit: Heh, they named a map after Boxer. ;P
2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 11 2006 22:07 GMT
#18
On August 12 2006 00:40 FreeZEternal wrote:
I tried twice with toss.;; I killed one cerebrate then got overwhelmed by 2439057820493578 muta, desfiler, zergling, ultra, guardian -.-


same for me
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
August 11 2006 23:12 GMT
#19
I did it with a friend in 37 minutes. It was easy. After you get critical mass of MM/Tank/Vessel, you both roll out with 150 supply in units and kill everything that moves. After the Cerebrates die, units still spawn there, so that's pretty annoying. We both pretty much stopped caring about defense after we got our army out, so I was about half dead and my friend had two barracks, three depots and his cc left. Easy map.
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new_construct
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1041 Posts
August 11 2006 23:18 GMT
#20
try play it single player
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
August 11 2006 23:33 GMT
#21
its kind of fun, played it as zerg and after killing the first cerebrate with mass hydras i got trampled by an unstoppable wave of shit, money constantly <100 and i couldnt even defend it with pure hydra
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 11 2006 23:49 GMT
#22
"With pure hydra" Are the key words their
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
August 12 2006 00:22 GMT
#23
I think with zerg if you just make a wall of spore/sunk/lurk.. nothing will happen.
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spammerA
Profile Joined July 2006
China355 Posts
August 12 2006 01:09 GMT
#24
this map is hard because ... you really shouldnt move out with less than 2-2 upgrades marines (for super kakamutas 3+3 armor) or less than a group of tanks (for torrasque 4+5 armor, 800hp), by then the swarm should be coming from all directions, they hit you everywhere sometimes you dont respond properly and they add up on that side, which may quickly evolves to the cause of defeat.
Terran doesnt have any static anti-ground defense, you have to station troops all around your base while spare enough of them to make offense, 200/200 is not enough
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-12 02:04:13
August 12 2006 02:03 GMT
#25
On August 12 2006 08:12 Empyrean wrote:
I did it with a friend in 37 minutes. It was easy. After you get critical mass of MM/Tank/Vessel, you both roll out with 150 supply in units and kill everything that moves. After the Cerebrates die, units still spawn there, so that's pretty annoying. We both pretty much stopped caring about defense after we got our army out, so I was about half dead and my friend had two barracks, three depots and his cc left. Easy map.


lol i thought the point of the thread is to beat it as fast as you can alone X_X

haven't tried it yet but it's nice to see you made other versions
UMS map pack http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50442
PersonMan
Profile Joined March 2006
United States113 Posts
August 12 2006 03:04 GMT
#26
Fun Map, I can take out 1 cerebrate around wave 50 or so with MM, Tank, Vessel but after that all the Guards and plague just slaughter me.... o.o
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
August 12 2006 04:10 GMT
#27
where is the normal version?
Teamliquidian townie
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
August 12 2006 04:48 GMT
#28
In the scenario folder.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
August 12 2006 06:24 GMT
#29
On August 12 2006 08:49 Slayer91 wrote:
"With pure hydra" Are the key words their

hey i was just having fun

On August 12 2006 09:22 Twisted wrote:
I think with zerg if you just make a wall of spore/sunk/lurk.. nothing will happen.

actually guardians and 3-3 mutas start coming
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 12 2006 18:38 GMT
#30
I feel proud no one can beat the map except me ^^
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 12 2006 19:32 GMT
#31
am i stupid? but i really don't see the terran version...
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 12 2006 19:58 GMT
#32
On August 13 2006 04:32 2dd wrote:
am i stupid? but i really don't see the terran version...


its in your sc folder ... it came with patch >_>
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2dd
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium421 Posts
August 12 2006 20:09 GMT
#33
ow ok ^_^
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2132 Posts
August 13 2006 01:22 GMT
#34
How bout defenders of the galaxy?

thats a neat official ums
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
August 13 2006 09:19 GMT
#35
man i cant beat this map rofl

a tip for those who might try (who cares?), after a while most of the zerg forces are made of upgraded mutalisks

i managed to build an almost permanent defence with tanks and valkyries surrounding my base and even killed one cerebrate with a 10 tank and 6 valk army, but right then a massive amount of mutas started coming and simply walked over me (ok i had stopped making valk and switched to wraiths, that was silly )

with tank/valk this map can probably be won in under 45 min, possibly under 30, it just takes a shit-long time to build up 200-200 3-3 units, gets boring after a few tries
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 13 2006 11:31 GMT
#36
I start getting upgrades asap. You can get em pretty fast if you start out with 3 command centers and pump ass loads of scv at first.

Beware when building Air because there is triggers that make devourers spawn and they spawn faster the more air you have.

ps - is defenders of the galaxy even beatable at all? i think it just goes on forever.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
August 13 2006 11:39 GMT
#37
On August 13 2006 03:38 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I feel proud no one can beat the map except me ^^


you're just "mad niggerish"
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
TheosEx
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States894 Posts
August 13 2006 11:42 GMT
#38
I admit, I was feeling pretty good when I started this map. Things were actually going great when I rolled out at about the fiften minute mark with 5 groups of MnM with 2/2 upgrades, a group of Tanks, and a couple of Vessels... with troops to spare for defense (Bunkers and Turrets with SCVs to repair)... or so I thought...

I just got done sieging to attack my first Cerebrate when Torsque and Guardians came out and wiped my shit out. And what did I have to show for all of this? Two dead spore colonies... I'm no pro, but I'm no uber noob either. I microed/macroed/multi tasked/etc. It seems pretty much like if you try to leave your base, you won't have anything left to defend. Of course, this was only my first try, but from a strategic point of view.... it seems like teching to Battlecruisers and Vessels with DMatrix and Irradiate is the only true solution. But alas, since I only played it once, I don't know how the triggers work exactly and people have already been mentioning that 3/3 Devourers pop up so this could be a pretty stupid strategy too.

Don't get me wrong, I think this map is beatable... but the real challenge is the time...
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
August 13 2006 12:02 GMT
#39
On August 12 2006 08:12 Empyrean wrote:
I did it with a friend in 37 minutes. It was easy. After you get critical mass of MM/Tank/Vessel, you both roll out with 150 supply in units and kill everything that moves. After the Cerebrates die, units still spawn there, so that's pretty annoying. We both pretty much stopped caring about defense after we got our army out, so I was about half dead and my friend had two barracks, three depots and his cc left. Easy map.


Congrats on completing the map while ignoring the competition guidelines, and the bragging about it.
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
August 14 2006 00:39 GMT
#40
On August 13 2006 20:42 TheosEx wrote:
I admit, I was feeling pretty good when I started this map. Things were actually going great when I rolled out at about the fiften minute mark with 5 groups of MnM with 2/2 upgrades, a group of Tanks, and a couple of Vessels... with troops to spare for defense (Bunkers and Turrets with SCVs to repair)... or so I thought...

I just got done sieging to attack my first Cerebrate when Torsque and Guardians came out and wiped my shit out. And what did I have to show for all of this? Two dead spore colonies... I'm no pro, but I'm no uber noob either. I microed/macroed/multi tasked/etc. It seems pretty much like if you try to leave your base, you won't have anything left to defend. Of course, this was only my first try, but from a strategic point of view.... it seems like teching to Battlecruisers and Vessels with DMatrix and Irradiate is the only true solution. But alas, since I only played it once, I don't know how the triggers work exactly and people have already been mentioning that 3/3 Devourers pop up so this could be a pretty stupid strategy too.

Don't get me wrong, I think this map is beatable... but the real challenge is the time...

nukes seem to be the only "easy" way to win, and im not even sure its easy since there are overlords dancing around, but still, getting a few nukes in would do massive damage so its a good solution

mass bc might work if you abuse irradiate, but BC alone would die to devourers, mutas, hydras and spores
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
FreeZEternal
Profile Joined January 2003
Korea (South)3396 Posts
August 14 2006 01:26 GMT
#41
with toss is impossible dude omg.-.-
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 14 2006 05:40 GMT
#42
I was doing fine, until the fucking PLAGUE CAME AND TURNED MY WHOLE ARMY AND MY WHOLE BASE RED AND I WAS LIKE OMFG WTF IT'S EVERYYYYYYWHERE AND THEY WERE ALL LIKE HAHA I CAN ONE HIT KILL UR WHOLE BASE WUT NOW BITCH

So I drophacked the comps in revenge.

This map makes me angry.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
August 14 2006 06:19 GMT
#43
On August 14 2006 14:40 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I was doing fine, until the fucking PLAGUE CAME AND TURNED MY WHOLE ARMY AND MY WHOLE BASE RED AND I WAS LIKE OMFG WTF IT'S EVERYYYYYYWHERE AND THEY WERE ALL LIKE HAHA I CAN ONE HIT KILL UR WHOLE BASE WUT NOW BITCH

So I drophacked the comps in revenge.

This map makes me angry.


ftw
Get it by your hands...
yosh
Profile Joined November 2004
United States285 Posts
August 14 2006 06:38 GMT
#44
time to try this weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
forever mech
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
August 14 2006 06:42 GMT
#45
On August 14 2006 14:40 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I was doing fine, until the fucking PLAGUE CAME AND TURNED MY WHOLE ARMY AND MY WHOLE BASE RED AND I WAS LIKE OMFG WTF IT'S EVERYYYYYYWHERE AND THEY WERE ALL LIKE HAHA I CAN ONE HIT KILL UR WHOLE BASE WUT NOW BITCH

So I drophacked the comps in revenge.

This map makes me angry.


So you failed with geek? Maybe we should partner :\\
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
August 14 2006 07:42 GMT
#46
Yea. But I suck in general at this sort of thing. Plus it's Terran.

I don't know if toss would really be any better.....what, mass cannon/reaver/sair/dt/ht?
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
August 14 2006 20:53 GMT
#47
On August 14 2006 10:26 FreeZEternal wrote:
with toss is impossible dude omg.-.-



hahahaha i can't believe you even bothered trying lol
Memory lane in nice
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 14 2006 21:18 GMT
#48
I finished in 37 minutes, it was easy. I turned on money hack and then I build many tank vessel and my three friends did it asweell, easy map
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-14 22:30:22
August 14 2006 22:22 GMT
#49
38 min 23 sek, no joke this time (fu emyryian)

Plauge + tank fire destroys static defense so tanks sucks..Mass supplys+turret and bunkers block so well against no brain attack=P

I think many of you try it to straight=o also nukes are terrible imo
replay
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-14 23:52:50
August 14 2006 22:38 GMT
#50
The protoss one was eeeeasy.. I took my time did not hurry at all =P

36 min.. Not going to publish replay until i finish zerg but I do have screenshots but I cant read PCX
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 15 2006 00:54 GMT
#51
Zerg was a little frustrating but I played very bad... 57min
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
August 15 2006 05:48 GMT
#52
On August 15 2006 07:22 Patriot.dlk wrote:
38 min 23 sek, no joke this time (fu emyryian)

Plauge + tank fire destroys static defense so tanks sucks..Mass supplys+turret and bunkers block so well against no brain attack=P

I think many of you try it to straight=o also nukes are terrible imo
replay


what??? here the pc always attacked the supply that i use to protect teh bunker
t_t
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27151 Posts
August 15 2006 08:52 GMT
#53
thanks a lot. You have now given me somethign to do for the next 8 hours at work instead of the speech I should be writing.

Thanks a whole friggin lot.
ModeratorGodfather
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 16 2006 02:14 GMT
#54
On August 15 2006 17:52 Manifesto7 wrote:
thanks a lot. You have now given me somethign to do for the next 8 hours at work instead of the speech I should be writing.

Thanks a whole friggin lot.


LoL You're welcome dude -_____-
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
August 16 2006 11:57 GMT
#55
Did the protoss one with a friend :p

27:27 minutes.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
August 16 2006 12:23 GMT
#56
On August 16 2006 20:57 Cloud wrote:
Did the protoss one with a friend :p

27:27 minutes.


Now try Jungle Struggle .
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42870
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 16 2006 16:25 GMT
#57
On August 16 2006 21:23 Bill307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2006 20:57 Cloud wrote:
Did the protoss one with a friend :p

27:27 minutes.


Now try Jungle Struggle .
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42870


Now conform and do it single player wuss!
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 16 2006 18:07 GMT
#58
On August 16 2006 20:57 Cloud wrote:
Did the protoss one with a friend :p

27:27 minutes.


ten minutes faster then me on my own? hehe not to good
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 16 2006 18:08 GMT
#59
On August 17 2006 01:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2006 21:23 Bill307 wrote:
On August 16 2006 20:57 Cloud wrote:
Did the protoss one with a friend :p

27:27 minutes.


Now try Jungle Struggle .
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42870


Now conform and do it single player wuss!


Hey, I did it singel, I completed them all on the first try even though zerg took 57 min
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-16 20:18:29
August 16 2006 19:51 GMT
#60
This is incredibly insanely hard to do. Wow, after I kill the first cerebrate, they just go nutzz and run me over!!!!!!!
Patriot, I dl'd your replay, but it seems to be corrupted. Is there something special to watch replays of UMS?? UMS replays are always corrupt to me....
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Gandalf
Profile Joined August 2004
Pakistan1905 Posts
August 16 2006 22:14 GMT
#61
Uhhh man I must be dumb or something, I tried this on bnet and the pulldown menu for your race selection was greyed out and unselectable, so i HAD to play with terran. How the hell do you choose protoss or zerg??

Also, why not see who beats the map fastest with two players too?

Anyways, I did play this map with a friend of mine, and we were both terran. He kinda sucked so I had to tell him what to do all the time. I made a ring of bunkers and turrets shielded by depots and scv's on standy to repair. We exterminated the zerg presence on the sides, then moved down and eliminated two of the cerebrates. I was maxed out (200/200) and moving upwards when...we both dropped!! WTF GAY. Anyways, will try this again tomorrow.

Good, fun map.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-08-16 22:51:13
August 16 2006 22:44 GMT
#62
On August 17 2006 04:51 HeadBangaa wrote:
This is incredibly insanely hard to do. Wow, after I kill the first cerebrate, they just go nutzz and run me over!!!!!!!
Patriot, I dl'd your replay, but it seems to be corrupted. Is there something special to watch replays of UMS?? UMS replays are always corrupt to me....


I honestly cant understand your troubles. It's really easy to do this shit and it's extremly easy with protoss.. Protoss is the god of these maps just becouse carriers are that good and nexus aswell.

Below follows a guide on how i did it:

Start with a new command center at the bottom, will help you get many scvs fast. Build all your supplys as block at the top of your base and later on you add a few bunkers.. Get marine range fast.

Wait a little to get many scvs and minerals before take gases etc.. When they say "hydra incoming" you shouldn't care to much.. Just be ready to repair and get that range going and get many scvs so you mine as fast as possible and still have a few to repair all the time (but don't have idle scvs there to repair until you have strong economy)

I added double engering-bay for upgrades becouse I wanted armor for my scvs and weapon for my bunkers...Dont know if it's better to have 4 medics at your minerals and skip armor (no big deal)

Anyway you should just maybe double the bunker amount at the bottom and top and go for a factory instead of more bunkers. Go for 3 starports and two armory asap.. Get like 5 valks as soon as possible and grade them directly. You should be fine against that first gard rush now!

Now you just add up 6 bunkers or so at the bottom and top and block them of with supply and barracks (not to tightly blocked, maybe that¨s when they attack the supplys) Don't use siege tanks or at least I didnt..

Always repair alot now and keep building new supplys and stuff to block.. Max out the upgrades for air and for marines... Have at least 8 starports and produce battle cruisers..

When you have 150 energy and 200/200 you attack with the bc and valks... Sneak in from the side and dont waste any yamatoguns... You should only need to kill like 4 spores before you can sniper out his cerebrate with targeting+yamato gun.. Sacrifice all the valks.

During this battle you need to multi-task to repair and rebuild in bcs... After you have 200/200 you repeat 3 times.

I needed two fleets for two of the bases becouse the defense was so strong.. But yamatogun with two forces in a row was enough.. Key is fast effective defense with supply+barrack block..

The sides need like 2 bunkers and later on the battlecruisers to protect...


Protoss was really really simple.


Use your force of zealots and dragoons to protect your probes and to reinforce the cannons at the top and bottom. Fast new nexus at the bottom of the minerals..

Do the exact same strategy only that you need like 4 cannons at the top and 4 at the bottom..

Then you make a wall of forge and nexus that's almost completly tight.. Nexus where it's alot of pressure and forge where it's little lesser.. Cannons behind the tightly wall.

make a ring around your entire base to block with pylon, forge and gates, all your tech buildings nexus etc and a ring of cannons behind eventually.

Max out in 3-3-3 carriers (remember to start upgrades for shield asap)

Also, just like you did valks against first push, make corsairs with protoss
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
August 16 2006 23:09 GMT
#63
I just wnana see the repay, I can't put that much time into trying again myself, it's gonna be a longterm goal ><
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 17 2006 07:13 GMT
#64
hehe took me 37 minutes =o

I dont know why the replay dont work.. if it dont then it don't.. sad etc
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
August 17 2006 07:14 GMT
#65
On August 17 2006 07:14 Gandalf wrote:
Uhhh man I must be dumb or something, I tried this on bnet and the pulldown menu for your race selection was greyed out and unselectable, so i HAD to play with terran. How the hell do you choose protoss or zerg??

Also, why not see who beats the map fastest with two players too?

Anyways, I did play this map with a friend of mine, and we were both terran. He kinda sucked so I had to tell him what to do all the time. I made a ring of bunkers and turrets shielded by depots and scv's on standy to repair. We exterminated the zerg presence on the sides, then moved down and eliminated two of the cerebrates. I was maxed out (200/200) and moving upwards when...we both dropped!! WTF GAY. Anyways, will try this again tomorrow.

Good, fun map.


Read the initial topic once more. Also, dropping is gay both it sounds like you two was not that near the record :o
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
August 17 2006 07:51 GMT
#66
Actually, one of my friends and I have dropped multiple times while playing this map and my own Jungle Struggle map as well... o_Oa. It just suddenly says "so and so was dropped from the game" with no drop screen, and we both remain logged on to BNet.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 20 2006 04:42 GMT
#67
My reps worked for me on single player. I'm thinking the reason why patriot's rep don't work is either A) he played on slower game speed or B) he used a cheat code after a few minutes. No offense.

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
August 20 2006 09:55 GMT
#68
If you speed up UMS replays they also screw up.
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Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
August 20 2006 11:14 GMT
#69
On August 20 2006 18:55 Empyrean wrote:
If you speed up UMS replays they also screw up.


Not always. TMM replays usually don't screw up.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 05 2006 02:08 GMT
#70
Updated my terran score to 52 minutes. Lets see someone beat it on single and submit a rep (that works).
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-05 02:46:09
September 05 2006 02:43 GMT
#71
lol. who would cheat on something like this? and 52 minutes is really bad.

I dare you to observ me doing it any time.. just say when. I mean, who would post a replay of himself cheating? And why would I possible want it to be slower? lol.

Read how I did it and you will realize it's all about boxing in with a cute defense and kill with yamato gun.. no need for lower speed at all.

Ums replays often screws up.

Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
September 05 2006 02:46 GMT
#72
btw.. post your replay of your amazing record
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 05 2006 15:51 GMT
#73
I did its in the first post, btw none of my reps are screwed up. Why don't you beat them again and post some reps? If you don't I have all the right in the world to say you didn't do it, its nothing personal.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-16 14:20:17
September 06 2006 15:27 GMT
#74
I hope it doesn't bother anyone that im updating this read whenever i get a new record. C'mon people I want some competition.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 16 2006 16:33 GMT
#75
NEW RECORDS!
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
FREEloss_
Profile Joined August 2006
38 Posts
September 16 2006 17:12 GMT
#76
I used to play this a lot when I was younger. I remember struggaling even with cheats (that is, when I didnt spam units with operation cwal).
I hate all da orphans in da werld.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
September 16 2006 17:39 GMT
#77
On August 17 2006 16:51 Bill307 wrote:
my own Jungle Struggle


I'll semi-offtopic a bit, as I do not dare bump the jungle struggle thread.

I've beaten it with a friend in 1.04.xx. Even though the last 10-15 mins was searching for a f-ing spore colony... We played zerg and terran. 12 hatch 14 hatch 15 hatch 16 pool ftw.
Then we just massed hydras and mnm... We both suck so I guess you've done it a lot faster.
Is there an official record?
FREEloss_
Profile Joined August 2006
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-09-16 17:59:36
September 16 2006 17:54 GMT
#78
I can't even get a good eco going. Im trying to do ti with terran and its very hard. You have to choose between an economy or units. Get the balance wrong and you'll either lose before round 50 or lose later on around round 100+. I gave up at round 111. I kept losing my wraths, defilers started plagueing everything, and 2 ultras attacked me from the north and south which I had 0 defence at.

You need a 3rd CC at the bottom Asap. Marine range and dmg upgrades. I got about 3 tanks at each side for ultras. However it was a bad idea becuase the bunkers + medic wall are enough to take down ultras and the tanks seem to do mroe damage to your own buildings than the zerg.
I hate all da orphans in da werld.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 17 2006 12:36 GMT
#79
Just beat it with protoss and zerg in 25-27 minutes
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-13 10:30:06
January 13 2008 10:29 GMT
#80
i know this thread is really old, but someone in the broodwar.de/instarcraft.de forums just found this map in his folder an played it =)
now we are searching for the protoss/zerg versions. the links in the first posts point to broodwarmaps.net, but those maps aren't there anymore. since has a lot more active users than the one on broodwarmaps.net, maybe someone here still has those version an can upload it.
Original thread on bw.de (german): http://forum.ingame.de/broodwar/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148302
thread on broodwarmaps.net: http://www.panschk.de/mappage/forum/showthread?subforum=main&threadid=924

so, can anyone help me?
thanks in advance
Frag Everything that isn't you
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-15 00:00:10
January 14 2008 23:59 GMT
#81
I created those maps, They are on my hard drive at home. I'm at the library now I will try and upload them when I have the time/chance.

PS- The TvP version I made is impossible. If you beat it I'll give you 1 million dollars.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-15 01:40:58
January 15 2008 01:38 GMT
#82
On January 15 2008 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- The TvP version I made is impossible. If you beat it I'll give you 1 million dollars.

"I'll get nada"
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-15 03:08:08
January 15 2008 03:03 GMT
#83
Struggle maps:
[url blocked]
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 15 2008 03:06 GMT
#84
Bill made some ridiculous versions of this thing : p we never beat the uber-toss comps with x3 hp and x2 damage or something like that
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
January 15 2008 03:24 GMT
#85
Ohh man they look sooooo fun but sooooo hard
^-^
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
January 15 2008 03:30 GMT
#86
I can't even figure out how the Terran version is possible without nuking, since I have to keep 140 psi minimum at my base in defense and SCVs... which doesn't really leave much to attack with. ><
doc.x
Profile Joined December 2007
94 Posts
January 15 2008 04:03 GMT
#87
man. i would really like to play this map. can someone re-host it plz? ^^ kk thanks.

i like single player maps. sometimes i dont want to play on bnet. just have an hour and want to chillax by myself.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 15 2008 09:42 GMT
#88
FUCK MEGAUPLOAD.

Someone please rehost.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51476 Posts
January 15 2008 10:09 GMT
#89
On January 15 2008 10:38 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2008 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
PS- The TvP version I made is impossible. If you beat it I'll give you 1 million dollars.

"I'll get nada"


rek you have to get nada and if he actually beats it cm you have to pay up hahaha gg
Commentator
mjh
Profile Joined November 2007
United States133 Posts
January 16 2008 02:30 GMT
#90
On January 15 2008 12:03 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Struggle maps:
[url blocked]


not there =(
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-17 01:31:13
January 17 2008 01:19 GMT
#91
Use flyupload.com.

Here is another map I modified, Its really hard as well. Easiest with P, Medium with T, and Hardest with Z.

Art Of Survival 9.0 (4 players on their own).

http://flyupload.flyupload.com/?fid=9030616

It should hold you over while I find the other maps.

PS- Yes I have beaten it with every race.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
January 17 2008 03:33 GMT
#92
Ok, Here are all the maps (even the blizzard one):

http://flyupload.flyupload.com/?fid=4876845
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Sok4R
Profile Joined November 2006
Germany124 Posts
January 30 2008 09:00 GMT
#93
big thx!
gonna try this TvP version too =)
Frag Everything that isn't you
kmoney42
Profile Joined February 2018
1 Post
Last Edited: 2018-02-24 16:31:46
February 24 2018 16:28 GMT
#94
The links for protoss and zerg don't work anymore, anyone have these files that they could share? (Not surprised, it has been 10 years)
Clyt
Profile Joined July 2016
China21 Posts
May 13 2018 15:16 GMT
#95
On February 25 2018 01:28 kmoney42 wrote:
The links for protoss and zerg don't work anymore, anyone have these files that they could share? (Not surprised, it has been 10 years)


You can find these map in this netdisc:
http://chomikuj.pl/CichorAEC/Gry - Games/StarCraft/Mapy do Starcrafta - maps to Starcraft/0-9

They are on the penultimate page.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8264 Posts
May 13 2018 17:48 GMT
#96
OOO What a necro !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
July 09 2021 05:11 GMT
#97
Bumpty dumpty https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A7C9d6zvL33v0XJWbJtVTzxwKwGqYh3u/view?usp=sharing
RIP SPOR 11/24/11 NEVAR FORGET
Aneres
Profile Joined July 2021
United States3 Posts
July 17 2021 11:14 GMT
#98
On July 09 2021 14:11 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Bumpty dumpty https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A7C9d6zvL33v0XJWbJtVTzxwKwGqYh3u/view?usp=sharing


The Zerg version of this map seems fun, but TvP is the only one in that link that isn't corrupted.

Anybody have a working map for that?? Seen a youtube video of the TvZ version working in Remastered.
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