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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
October 15 2012 13:29 GMT
#61
Remember when Pure 12 nex'ed 3 games in a row against Flash and Flash still won 3-0 in Korean Air OSL Semi? Flash was like "do whatever you want, I'm still gonna win in the end" It felt so imba watching that.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
October 15 2012 17:54 GMT
#62
On October 12 2012 02:12 baubo wrote:
I really hated Flash at his peak simply because he would basically never make mistakes. RTS is suppose to be a game where players play at a high speed, making instantaneous decisions on the fly with limited information where you take risks. Flash wasn't that. He played more or less flawlessly. He knew exactly how much he could get away with through his macro-cheese. He knew exactly how to punish his opponent when they try the same thing. He knew exactly when to push out and where to engage, how to target fire his tanks, how to split his army just enough to attack multiple expansions. And it was boring.

Part of what makes watching BW fun is that when the player you root for is ahead, you are still sitting there watching, hoping he doesn't mess up, hoping he tries to expand on his lead into victory. Also, when the player you root for is behind, you are still enthralled because you hope he can catch up by exploiting his opponent's mistakes and make a comeback. But with Flash at his peak, that entertainment is gone. Sometimes when I just see Flash get away with 14CC, I pretty much think he's won. Because either that extra econ will compound exponentially and he rolls out with his 200/200 army and wins, or his opponent tries to catch up and get killed by some timing attack. It takes a lot of the fun out of watching games.

As a Flash fan, the games when he actually did make mistakes or questionable decisions probably stand out in my memory more than they do for Flash anti-fans (e.g., the finals against Bisu when he decided to backdoor Bisu and "contain" Bisu's main with a handful of tanks and rines above the mineral line, or when he took a fast third against M18M after failing to scout the 3 proxy gates, or the game against Dear with the barely hidden robo and canceled turrets). Those games were anything but standard or predictable and induced a lot of headscratching. But the recurring theme was that the Protoss player had to do some clever build to outsmart Flash. I found that to be great though, because it lent to much speculation about who was most likely to beat Flash and what a player needed to do to beat Flash. You had to really analyze his games to death and try to find some weakness in his seemingly impenetrable armor. The rarity of this occurrence made his losses all the more engaging and his wins more awe-inspiring.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
October 15 2012 18:22 GMT
#63
This makes me feel nostalgic about when Free was good.
Zero fighting.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 20:04:53
October 15 2012 20:02 GMT
#64
Watching Flash in any matchup was so great to watch, but something about his TvP was truly painful for a Protoss fan to endure - for this unending period of games he seem in absolute, total control regardless of the choices his opponent made. Even with TvZ you had a rivalry and Jaedong's ability to win those big games (although Flash's TvZ at the end .. no Zerg fan walked out of that without a few scars on the soul) That best of five against Bisu with the trench-war on Katrina comes to mind especially, although I don't recall the event - at no point did you ever feel Bisu could win; and that's in spite of all the amazing moments he pulled. The response against 12 nexus every game someone tried it against Flash was fun too.

On one hand it obviously hurt like a truck as a Protoss player to see player after player go down to that - but Jangbi was able to get the last laugh, and the truth for me was watching Flash destroy was genuine mastery of the game in action. I'm guilty as charged of valuing a "perfect" game incredibly highly though.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 15 2012 22:30 GMT
#65
On October 12 2012 21:35 revy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 01:00 Dante08 wrote:
I would love to see the end product of your article, cant wait! Also I remember Shady Sands or someone is going to do an article on Flash similar to Savior's God of the Battlefield. That would be fucking awesome.


Ver himself was supposedly working a Flash final edit. Man... I wish it was here now.

Thanks for the post, I can tell you kinda got screwed by the disappearance of the vods, it's really a shame. It brought back some good memories. Flash in Nov 2009, loses in PL to Best " My vP is kinda bad". Flash 2010 vP ~85%.


Hmmm is Ver still active on TL?
Что?
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 23:44:56
October 15 2012 22:38 GMT
#66
On October 16 2012 07:30 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 21:35 revy wrote:
On October 12 2012 01:00 Dante08 wrote:
I would love to see the end product of your article, cant wait! Also I remember Shady Sands or someone is going to do an article on Flash similar to Savior's God of the Battlefield. That would be fucking awesome.


Ver himself was supposedly working a Flash final edit. Man... I wish it was here now.

Thanks for the post, I can tell you kinda got screwed by the disappearance of the vods, it's really a shame. It brought back some good memories. Flash in Nov 2009, loses in PL to Best " My vP is kinda bad". Flash 2010 vP ~85%.


Hmmm is Ver still active on TL?


Still active on TL?

*sunglasses*

VERy much so.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeeeaaaahh


In all seriousness, yes Ver is quite active on the SC2 side. He's in charge of The Terran Help Me Thread and is probably 2nd best among terrans who make significant and regular posts on TL, behind only avilo.

edit: actually ver seems to be doing better than avilo recently at least according to TLPD so I guess that makes him #1
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 16 2012 00:43 GMT
#67
On October 16 2012 07:38 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 07:30 Shady Sands wrote:
On October 12 2012 21:35 revy wrote:
On October 12 2012 01:00 Dante08 wrote:
I would love to see the end product of your article, cant wait! Also I remember Shady Sands or someone is going to do an article on Flash similar to Savior's God of the Battlefield. That would be fucking awesome.


Ver himself was supposedly working a Flash final edit. Man... I wish it was here now.

Thanks for the post, I can tell you kinda got screwed by the disappearance of the vods, it's really a shame. It brought back some good memories. Flash in Nov 2009, loses in PL to Best " My vP is kinda bad". Flash 2010 vP ~85%.


Hmmm is Ver still active on TL?


Still active on TL?

*sunglasses*

VERy much so.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeeeaaaahh


In all seriousness, yes Ver is quite active on the SC2 side. He's in charge of The Terran Help Me Thread and is probably 2nd best among terrans who make significant and regular posts on TL, behind only avilo.

edit: actually ver seems to be doing better than avilo recently at least according to TLPD so I guess that makes him #1

ver > avilo, lol

anyhow i loved god of the battlefield, have been awaiting something similar for flash for ages. maybe if idra wants to take a crack at writing it, since he was a decentish BW terran?
Что?
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 16 2012 02:14 GMT
#68
On October 16 2012 09:43 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2012 07:38 red4ce wrote:
On October 16 2012 07:30 Shady Sands wrote:
On October 12 2012 21:35 revy wrote:
On October 12 2012 01:00 Dante08 wrote:
I would love to see the end product of your article, cant wait! Also I remember Shady Sands or someone is going to do an article on Flash similar to Savior's God of the Battlefield. That would be fucking awesome.


Ver himself was supposedly working a Flash final edit. Man... I wish it was here now.

Thanks for the post, I can tell you kinda got screwed by the disappearance of the vods, it's really a shame. It brought back some good memories. Flash in Nov 2009, loses in PL to Best " My vP is kinda bad". Flash 2010 vP ~85%.


Hmmm is Ver still active on TL?


Still active on TL?

*sunglasses*

VERy much so.

+ Show Spoiler +
Yeeeaaaahh


In all seriousness, yes Ver is quite active on the SC2 side. He's in charge of The Terran Help Me Thread and is probably 2nd best among terrans who make significant and regular posts on TL, behind only avilo.

edit: actually ver seems to be doing better than avilo recently at least according to TLPD so I guess that makes him #1

ver > avilo, lol

anyhow i loved god of the battlefield, have been awaiting something similar for flash for ages. maybe if idra wants to take a crack at writing it, since he was a decentish BW terran?


There's already a final edit about The Ultimate Weapon though. Granted this only covered Flash's pre-God era but it's not like Flash's achievements would ever go overlooked on this website. Personally I'd like to see a final edit on the Three Kings/neo-Kings or the 6 dragons.

I don't think it's necessary to have someone as good as Idra to write a final edit. Writing skill, passion and perspective are all one really needs. Granted Idra is quite capable of in depth writing so with the right editor he probably could do it. I doubt it'll ever happen though given Idra's relationship with TL.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 16 2012 02:41 GMT
#69
People are nutting their pants about his TvP right now but think back a handful of months earlier and his TvZ was ineffably good. His micro was better, macro was better, game sense was better, timing was better, decisions were better, strategy was better, anything was better.

People were so desperate that guardians became almost standard and as per usual, he countered with wraiths while suffering minimal damage.
☺
blueblimp
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada297 Posts
October 16 2012 02:59 GMT
#70
It's so weird not having Flash games to watch anymore. It's not like previous dominant players, who eventually fell enough to not be worth playing in proleague. Flash probably had a year or more left of top-notch BW play (given his age), and we'll never see it.
EffervescentAureola
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-16 04:05:29
October 16 2012 04:03 GMT
#71
Flash was so beast in all three match ups, and also so amazingly versatile. Just a joy to watch him play at such a high level of skill and finesse, I only hope we can someday witness the same level of performance and excellence in SC2.

Doesn't matter if you were a Flash fan or not, a KT Rolster fan or not, if you were a fan of BW, you had a special appreciation and a soft spot for Flash, especially now that the pro BW scene is all but over.
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