This week will be the final week to vote! If you haven't registered yet, go for it! It's free and very simple!
NOTE: This was without a doubt, the most difficult thing I have ever translated. The language was far too advanced for my current level. As a result, it has tons of errors. Please, if you are more fluent in Korean than me, point out the errors I made. I desperately need someone to proof read this.
In commemoration of the conclusion of StarCraft Brood War, the eSports corporation will be establishing an 'e-Sports Hall of Fame'.
The 'e-sports Hall of Fame' will commemorate the many progamers who acquired many achievements and plant the players' honor and self-esteem along with enchancing their images in a hall that will uplift them.
The 'e-Sports Hall of Fame - StaCraft Brood War' will commence with the conclusion of the SKPlanet StarCraft ProLeague Season 2 and celebrate all the past BW tournaments in StarCraft history and illuminate the players who participated in them.
The screening of the Hall of Fame will induct the players in to the Hall of Fame and they will be presented with certificates and prizes. Furthermore, if the eSports stadium gets established, the Hall of Fame memorial will feature the gamers' past uniforms and mouses should they choose to donate them.
The Hall of Fame will feature three sections. The primary will be If a player won a second place or higher in any of the tournaments since 1999, or if they stayed within the top 10 ranking for ProLeague for 3 years, then they will be selected as a StarCraft Brood War candidate.
Of the 51 players candidates selected, the secondary fan voting will begin. Individually the candidates will be voted for by the fans. If a candidate recieves 60% of approval from the majority a third judgement will occur. The media and commentators will be the jury for who gets to make the 'Hall of Fame' or not.
The voting for these 51 candidates will commence from August 15th to September 9th. You can vote for these players at www.e-sports.or.kr. If you vote for the players, you will be entered in to a drawing for a chance to win a StarCraft2 WoL Package CD and tickets for the ProLeague grand finals.
On September 02 2012 14:32 rift wrote: So the following players are in thus far:
Players who qualified for both the indivdual league and ProLeague categories: H.O.T-Forever Calm EffOrt July Silver ChoJJa YellOw Jaedong Nal_rA Kal Bisu Reach Stork Anytime Goodfriend Flash NaDa FanTaSy
Players who qualified for the individual league category: TheBOy ZerO GGPlay GoRush SKELTON Hydra JinNam Great Freemura Kwanro JangBi Grrrr... GARIMTO BeSt Kingdom Zeus Movie ForGG Mind Sync Iris XellOs BoxeR iloveoov iOi[Alive]
Players who qualified for the ProLeague category: sigamari Side Qoo)Siva TheWinD free Sea Midas Leta
You will then arrive here. You should be able to take it from here, just click on "Foreigner(Overseas)". Then the bottom half will disappear. You will then see a box to check towards the bottom. Check it, then click "PROCEED TO NEXT STAGE".
Return to the default home page. Towards the middle of the screen you will see two tabs. Click the right one. NOTE: If you did not register, you cannot vote.
Once you arrive here, you are ready to vote. Click on the blue bar if you think that person deserves to be a candidate. Click on the red bar if you disagree. The middle white box above the blue and red bar is a profile page about the player but it's entirely in Korean.
I actually voted myself so I can confirm this:
You no longer just get one vote. you can vote for all your favorites now
They should have given BoxeR an instant invitation to the Hall of Fame after all he did for SC:BW but I think it's obvious that the bonjwas will be in the Hall for sure aswell as YellOw, Bisu, Stork etc.
bonjwas + whole kong line + any player decorated with gold more than once, are no-brainers. There are many others who are remembered as the best of the best.
The problem starts with the players like Mind (yes, I know he have one gold) or Calm, who overperfored in individuals OR underperformed in PL.
On August 15 2012 02:57 SEGGLE[8] wrote: List can't be complete without sAviOr. Sure you can judge him for what he's done, but he's still one of the best zergs in history of bw regardless.
Edit: Read the OP again and now I understand why Ma Bonjwa isn't mentioned, which is silly tho (imo).
There's a reason why Pete Rose is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Match fixers/cheaters lose all privileges they have as progamers/players both past and present.
which is still silly imo so I don't see the purpose of your reply
On August 15 2012 02:57 SEGGLE[8] wrote: List can't be complete without sAviOr. Sure you can judge him for what he's done, but he's still one of the best zergs in history of bw regardless.
Edit: Read the OP again and now I understand why Ma Bonjwa isn't mentioned, which is silly tho (imo).
There's a reason why Pete Rose is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Match fixers/cheaters lose all privileges they have as progamers/players both past and present.
which is still silly imo so I don't see the purpose of your reply
It isn't silly when you realize the matchfixers have been permanently banned from KeSPA, just like Pete Rose has been from the MLB. This naturally includes a ban from any and all recognition that would be officially sanctioned by the respective organization.
On August 15 2012 02:57 SEGGLE[8] wrote: List can't be complete without sAviOr. Sure you can judge him for what he's done, but he's still one of the best zergs in history of bw regardless.
Edit: Read the OP again and now I understand why Ma Bonjwa isn't mentioned, which is silly tho (imo).
There's a reason why Pete Rose is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Match fixers/cheaters lose all privileges they have as progamers/players both past and present.
which is still silly imo so I don't see the purpose of your reply
It isn't silly when you realize the matchfixers have been permanently banned from KeSPA, just like Pete Rose has been from the MLB. This naturally includes a ban from any and all recognition that would be officially sanctioned by the respective organization.
Tell me something I didn't know already. Another useless reply.
Things such as hall of fames are/should be based on the capabilities of a player + achievements, regardless of what he did, he should still be up there. They can try and enforce a ban from "any and all recognition" but there's a reason why people, including myself actually, still admire him as a player. So it's really just silly to suddenly say "oh wai- the guy did something bad so everything he's won in the past is suddenly just.. non-existant", it's just silly, nothing more nothing less. Though when I look at it from kespa's pov I sure can understand but that doesn't change my own opinion 'bout it.
This is awesome, I've been hoping someone does this for years. There is actually some kind of Video Game Hall of Fame organized by the competitive arcade community but for whatever reason they don't recognize Korean stuff.
Thinking there is any reason to even consider savior here is hilarious to the point of absurdity so can we just agree to not derail the thread too much with it? Let's argue about all the dudes who were really hot for one season then never did anything for the rest of their careers. Or guys like Sea who owned proleague but sucked in OSL.
On August 15 2012 03:33 heyoka wrote: This is awesome, I've been hoping someone does this for years. There is actually some kind of Video Game Hall of Fame organized by the competitive arcade community but for whatever reason they don't recognize Korean stuff.
Thinking there is any reason to even consider savior here is hilarious to the point of absurdity so can we just agree to not derail the thread too much with it? Let's argue about all the dudes who were really hot for one season then never did anything for the rest of their careers. Or guys like Sea who owned proleague but sucked in OSL.
Comparing players who've been hot for one season with Ma Bonjwa and denying what he was capable of + what he truly did achieve in bw is what's truly hilarious.
But please, do keep me entertained.
Haters, you've got to love them, especially when they try to deny that what cannot be denied.
And the smartass above me, I'm well aware I'm a part of the minority, so what?hmm? Trying to be smart and being smart are two separate things, and from what I've read coming from you so far, you belong to the category that tries to be smart, so please, don't waste my time.
Oh well, that was my last reply as I've got a feeling the haters are just gonna keep on coming, which is hilarious.
On August 15 2012 04:21 xxpack09 wrote: So can non-koreans vote for these? If so, can some korean speaker tell us what to click to get to the voting page?
Step 1: Click on the link Step 2: After you have arrived at the default page, you will see 2 tabs around the middle of the page. Click on the right one. Step 3: That will lead you to list of players (you'll know cause there's pictures too). You'll see a big blue bar and red bar for each player that you can click on. Blue means you agree that that person should be a candidate and red means you do not think that person deserves to be a candidate. (There is a white box above the blue and red that is like profile page explaining what each player has accomplished but it's all in Korean so click on it if you want or don't.) Step 4: Buy SeeKeR dinner for giving you a very detailed tutorial as thanks
On August 15 2012 02:57 SEGGLE[8] wrote: List can't be complete without sAviOr. Sure you can judge him for what he's done, but he's still one of the best zergs in history of bw regardless.
Edit: Read the OP again and now I understand why Ma Bonjwa isn't mentioned, which is silly tho (imo).
On August 15 2012 04:21 xxpack09 wrote: So can non-koreans vote for these? If so, can some korean speaker tell us what to click to get to the voting page?
Step 1: Click on the link Step 2: After you have arrived at the default page, you will see 2 tabs around the middle of the page. Click on the right one. Step 3: That will lead you to list of players (you'll know cause there's pictures too). You'll see a big blue bar and red bar for each player that you can click on. Blue means you agree that that person should be a candidate and red means you do not think that person deserves to be a candidate. (There is a white box above the blue and red that is like profile page explaining what each player has accomplished but it's all in Korean so click on it if you want or don't.) Step 4: Buy SeeKeR dinner for giving you a very detailed tutorial as thanks
On August 15 2012 04:48 FallenStar wrote: I voted, but it seems it doesn't work. It appears a message in korean (I suppose it's for confirmation), and then reloads and it's still 50%/50%
Sorry for the dumb question, but should it be like that?
I'm kind of serious and kind of not. After all he was arguably the best foreign player in the world, but was he really comparable to people like Boxer, Flash, or JD? Definitely not. So Day9 is arguable.
Apart from most of the Proleague-only Zerg lineup, by my counts they ALL deserve it! Sucks you have to register to vote, I don't believe in democracy enough that mine'll count \:
Guys, Would you like me to add in a tutorial on how to register as well? There's an option for foreigners living overseas, and once you click on that, the entire registration process is in English.
On August 15 2012 04:56 Psychonian wrote: Daynyan should be there
I'm kind of serious and kind of not. After all he was arguably the best foreign player in the world, but was he really comparable to people like Boxer, Flash, or JD? Definitely not. So Day9 is arguable.
Day9 was best foreign player? news to me son, probably news to idra, nony and co. too that said, none of them should be in the hall of fame for obvious reasons, only Grrrr... has a claim
Yeah saying Day9 was ever in contention for best foreigner is a bit odd, especially if we're going to do it by all-time which would include a handful of guys who competed in Proleague.
SeeKeR I'm sure people would appreciate it if you have the time, would be nice to get the people from TL involved. :D
Does it say anything about how they're going to run it in the future? Will they be considering a class for a second induction later or will this just be it for BW?
You will then arrive here. You should be able to take it from here, just click on "Foreigner(Overseas)". Then the bottom half will disappear. You will then see a box to check towards the bottom. Check it, then click "PROCEED TO NEXT STAGE".
Return to the default home page. Towards the middle of the screen you will see two tabs. Click the right one. NOTE: If you did not register, you cannot vote.
Once you arrive here, you are ready to vote. Click on the blue bar if you think that person deserves to be a candidate. Click on the red bar if you disagree. The middle white box above the blue and red bar is a profile page about the player but it's entirely in Korean.
I actually voted myself so I can confirm this:
You no longer just get one vote. you can vote for all your favorites now
On August 15 2012 05:30 jinorazi wrote: errr can only vote once? i wanted to vote for a couple of people and started with giyom for chronological order
On August 15 2012 05:30 jinorazi wrote: errr can only vote once? i wanted to vote for a couple of people and started with giyom for chronological order
Really? Weird...
Does refreshing the page work?
yeah tried refreshing, new tab.
upon clicking it says "you have already cast your vote"
Voted once for Nada - it gave me a bunch of squares (i assume confirmation). Tried again, it gave me (seemingly) the same bunch of squares. Does that mean I can vote for Nada more than once? Should I keep spamming vote for Nada, until my brain collapses and my nails grow up to 2 meters?
On August 15 2012 06:18 figq wrote: Voted once for Nada - it gave me a bunch of squares (i assume confirmation). Tried again, it gave me (seemingly) the same bunch of squares. Does that mean I can vote for Nada more than once? Should I keep spamming vote for Nada, until my brain collapses and my nails grow up to 2 meters?
you're probably getting "you already cast your vote"
On August 15 2012 06:18 figq wrote: Voted once for Nada - it gave me a bunch of squares (i assume confirmation). Tried again, it gave me (seemingly) the same bunch of squares. Does that mean I can vote for Nada more than once? Should I keep spamming vote for Nada, until my brain collapses and my nails grow up to 2 meters?
you're probably getting "you already cast your vote"
Omfg... if you can vote for only one person I'm going to be super pissed...
SON OF A BITCH!!
Confirmed: You can only vote for one person per ID T-T...
Solution: Create multiple IDs and vote for your favorite players
On August 15 2012 06:18 figq wrote: Voted once for Nada - it gave me a bunch of squares (i assume confirmation). Tried again, it gave me (seemingly) the same bunch of squares. Does that mean I can vote for Nada more than once? Should I keep spamming vote for Nada, until my brain collapses and my nails grow up to 2 meters?
you're probably getting "you already cast your vote"
Omfg... if you can vote for only one person I'm going to be super pissed...
SON OF A BITCH!!
Confirmed: You can only vote for one person T-T...
Oh I went on a voting spree and thought you could vote for multiple people, I guess fantasy got my vote since I clicked on him first.
On August 15 2012 03:33 heyoka wrote: This is awesome, I've been hoping someone does this for years. There is actually some kind of Video Game Hall of Fame organized by the competitive arcade community but for whatever reason they don't recognize Korean stuff.
Thinking there is any reason to even consider savior here is hilarious to the point of absurdity so can we just agree to not derail the thread too much with it? Let's argue about all the dudes who were really hot for one season then never did anything for the rest of their careers. Or guys like Sea who owned proleague but sucked in OSL.
Comparing players who've been hot for one season with Ma Bonjwa and denying what he was capable of + what he truly did achieve in bw is what's truly hilarious.
But please, do keep me entertained.
Haters, you've got to love them, especially when they try to deny that what cannot be denied.
And the smartass above me, I'm well aware I'm a part of the minority, so what?hmm? Trying to be smart and being smart are two separate things, and from what I've read coming from you so far, you belong to the category that tries to be smart, so please, don't waste my time.
Oh well, that was my last reply as I've got a feeling the haters are just gonna keep on coming, which is hilarious.
The moment you stop calling every person who disagrees with you a "hater" and "troll" is the moment your opinion carries weight.
I can't really tell if I voted or not as it takes the pages a million years to load and even though I logged in I didn't see anything that shows you are logged in (like username in the corner)
did get "투표 하시겠습니까?" which is "do you want to vote?" so I assume I got at least 1 vote for fantasy in.
if it is one vote/account then I don't see how more than like 10 people will realistically be chosen.
*edit* I guess trying another vote I got a little message back that was "The webpage says [korean stuff]" that I couldn't copy paste to google translate, but I assume it's some "you have already voted" message.
On August 15 2012 06:18 figq wrote: Voted once for Nada - it gave me a bunch of squares (i assume confirmation). Tried again, it gave me (seemingly) the same bunch of squares. Does that mean I can vote for Nada more than once? Should I keep spamming vote for Nada, until my brain collapses and my nails grow up to 2 meters?
I hope so.
It's weird seeing Kwanro next to names like that @_@.
Most sports hall of fames have a minimum and maximum of how many can make it in each year, but I didn't read how many can be inducted for this. Personally I'm hopingt the amount selected is quite small, perhaps only 4-5 people each year.
On August 15 2012 03:33 heyoka wrote: This is awesome, I've been hoping someone does this for years. There is actually some kind of Video Game Hall of Fame organized by the competitive arcade community but for whatever reason they don't recognize Korean stuff.
Thinking there is any reason to even consider savior here is hilarious to the point of absurdity so can we just agree to not derail the thread too much with it? Let's argue about all the dudes who were really hot for one season then never did anything for the rest of their careers. Or guys like Sea who owned proleague but sucked in OSL.
Comparing players who've been hot for one season with Ma Bonjwa and denying what he was capable of + what he truly did achieve in bw is what's truly hilarious.
But please, do keep me entertained.
Haters, you've got to love them, especially when they try to deny that what cannot be denied.
And the smartass above me, I'm well aware I'm a part of the minority, so what?hmm? Trying to be smart and being smart are two separate things, and from what I've read coming from you so far, you belong to the category that tries to be smart, so please, don't waste my time.
Oh well, that was my last reply as I've got a feeling the haters are just gonna keep on coming, which is hilarious.
You are the one who's hating on others who are stating the facts: ban = no hall of fame.
Do me a favor and stay at mafreeca. You do not have the rights to say you're part of 'ESPORTS movement' if you support someone who destroyed the whole scene
On August 15 2012 09:30 hifriend wrote: They wouldn't let us vote on savior? A freaking bonjwa and easily one of the most influential/important ones at that.. So silly.
savior's clip being at the tving OSL finals legends clips was good enough recognition, I thought kespa was going to express more flexibility, but I guess not.
1. what is the "eSports Corporation"? Does it refer to KeSPA? 2. what is the "eSports Stadium"? Does it refers to OGN's stadium? Or a new venue (implied by "if it gets stablished")?
On August 15 2012 10:23 VManOfMana wrote: Two questions:
1. what is the "eSports Corporation"? Does it refer to KeSPA? 2. what is the "eSports Stadium"? Does it refers to OGN's stadium? Or a new venue (implied by "if it gets stablished")?
1. Yes
2. Dunno. There were plans for new stadium.... not surr atm though
On August 15 2012 09:30 hifriend wrote: They wouldn't let us vote on savior? A freaking bonjwa and easily one of the most influential/important ones at that.. So silly.
edit: oops.
you should know better.
The guy got his punishment. From KeSPA and in court. I don't like this pretending like he never existed business at all. He's one of the most noteworthy players of all time for gods sake, nothing can undo that so they could show some respect for his fans at least.
On August 15 2012 09:30 hifriend wrote: They wouldn't let us vote on savior? A freaking bonjwa and easily one of the most influential/important ones at that.. So silly.
edit: oops.
you should know better.
The guy got his punishment. From KeSPA and in court. I don't like this pretending like he never existed business at all. He's one of the most noteworthy players of all time for gods sake, nothing can undo that so could show some respect for his fans at least.
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/
In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Alright, let me put it for you this way.
Here is a - rather small, might I add, as a Reds fan - list of one Pete Rose's accomplishments in the biggest of the big leagues for baseball, Major League Baseball. However, this is a man who placed bets on games in the sport in which he competed. Some of which were for and against his own team, of which he was a manager at the time.
Sound vaguely familiar to what we're dealing with with Savior?
Anyways - Pete Rose has been banned from baseball. Shunned completely, baseball-wise, by damn near everyone outside of the Cincinnati area. He has no shot to get in the Hall of Fame - banned from it, even with the statistics that he racked up. It's been over 20 years - multiple different commissioners have said at multiple different times there is no chance for reinstatement.
Pete Rose and Ma Jae Yoon both compromised the integrity of the game, the sport of it - for personal gain. They are both banned for good reasons. Even around my parts of central Ohio, people who think Pete Rose deserves reinstatement are in the vocal minority. Savior - and all others involved in the scandal - should continue to be banned from all KeSPA events, shrines, etc.
Like Pete Rose, there exists footage of Savior winning games. Dominating. Feel free to watch them and appreciate them for the brilliance and skill for a game that at one point...belonged to him. Just don't pretend for a moment that the man behind the keyboard is a different person than the man who could have singlehandedly brought down esports as we know it.
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/
In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......
His play deserves a spot, but they shouldn't give him one. It'll cause way more problems from angry fans and whatnot than it would do good. And the person plays a role in whether they deserve a spot or not, and while his play deserves a spot, Savior does not. He is/was my favorite Zerg player of all time, but I understand why they aren't giving him a spot. Anyway, I think this discussion is kind of pointless. He's not going to be there and the reasons are obvious as to why; I can't see this going anywhere but "I'm right" "No, I'm right!"
I'm more interested in hearing exactly how many people are going to make it in, there are just so many names on that list that just HAVE to be in the hall of fame.
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/
In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......
He deserves a spot, but they shouldn't give him one. It'll cause way more problems from angry fans and whatnot than it would do good.
Anyway, I think this discussion is kind of pointless. He's not going to be there and the reasons are obvious as to why; I can't see this going anywhere but "I'm right" "No, I'm right!"
I'm more interested in hearing exactly how many people are going to make it in, there are just so many names on that list that just HAVE to be in the hall of fame.
Yeah, fair enough. Putting him in there will only do harm in all likelihood.
I'm sort of sad not all the recommended players can be in the hall of fame...I mean, why not just have all of them be in it? >.<
Furthermore, if the eSports stadium gets established, the Hall of Fame memorial will feature the gamers' past uniforms and mouses should they choose to donate them.
Are they building a new esports stadium?
Even if they don't induct matchfixers into the Hall of Fame. They can build a section in it telling the matchfixing story in bw's history. IMO, they should just build a bw museum, highlighting all the different eras of bw.
I wish FBH was on the list. So many good candidates, I'm torn as to who to vote for. While I love Midas, Kingdom, and Garimto, for the first inductions I might have to choose between The Magician, The Mantoss, or The Emperor. And no, Savior doesn't deserve recognition for his accomplishments anymore(his games are still good to watch if you like tho); he threw that away himself when he decided money was worth more than his own (and BW's) reputation and integrity.
Furthermore, if the eSports stadium gets established, the Hall of Fame memorial will feature the gamers' past uniforms and mouses should they choose to donate them.
Are they building a new esports stadium?
Even if they don't induct matchfixers into the Hall of Fame. They can build a section in it telling the matchfixing story in bw's history. IMO, they should just build a bw museum, highlighting all the different eras of bw.
Yeah with like computer displaying the cool games too.
And I heard that BW progamming started with a table tennis table, bring that table in!
At least Pete Rose bet on his own team. Savior lost for petty bananas and strong-armed schmucks like Hwasin to throw more games because they "owed him." Turns out his little scheme hit roadblocks, as many other players were throwing games on their own terms. Even funnier when two game-throwers got matched (Yarnc vs Hwasin, Lux vs Hwasin, UpMagic vs Savior).
But should Savior at least be eligible for votes? I kind of think so.
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/
In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......
On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote: Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.
Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/
In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......
On August 15 2012 14:06 MountainDewJunkie wrote: At least Pete Rose bet on his own team. Savior lost for petty bananas and strong-armed schmucks like Hwasin to throw more games because they "owed him." Turns out his little scheme hit roadblocks, as many other players were throwing games on their own terms. Even funnier when two game-throwers got matched (Yarnc vs Hwasin, Lux vs Hwasin, UpMagic vs Savior).
But should Savior at least be eligible for votes? I kind of think so.
My vote is for Jangbi
So the fact that a lot of sponsors pulled out from the scene because of the match-fixing, which was one of the major reasons for BW's end doesn't matter?
My minimum criteria would be players who won at least 2 individual leagues (Flash, NaDa, Jaedong, iloveoov, Bisu, July, BoxeR, ,GARIMTO, NalrA, JangBi), was the #1 ranked player of his race for over a year (YellOw, Reach, Stork) or held the #1 overall Kespa rank at any time (ChoJJa, Fantasy). I presume the warning up top is regarding sAviOr so I won't get into that.
You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I hope that Boxer is the first put up, as he should be imo
Yes Savior should be there, but its just such a shame that he fucked it all up, make me so sad to think about what he would be thinking now that things have ended and there is this hall of fame, and even though he was so good, none of it matters and he will forever have to live in the shadows.
Hall of fame is a great idea to honor the previous greats I don't think that this should be a fan vote... I think it should be decided by a qualified committee who look at various aspects of the candidates careers
I wonder whether there any plans to extend this "eSports Hall of Fame" to other older games apart from Broodwar, would be quite disappointing if it were not so considering its name.
Regardless, I hope Boxer wins his category. There might be tons of players that are much better than him right now, in bw as well as sc2, however if I understood it correctly he was the main reason why Airforce ACE exists and that is a feat that nobody could ever hope to top.
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Voted for Grrr.... he won the first OSL and was the only foreigner to I think ever win a big korean tournament. 2nd would be bisu, and its a natural that boxer will win.
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
I think the evolution of modern Zerg play belongs in part to sAviOr, that's legacy enough alone for Hall of Fame contention.
If not, how about the entire stretch of time he turned professional play upside down singlehandedly with his ZvT?
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
I think the evolution of modern Zerg play belongs in part to sAviOr, that's legacy enough alone for Hall of Fame contention.
If not, how about the entire stretch of time he turned professional play upside down singlehandedly with his ZvT?
Virgil, I'll take you to the KeSPA people. Explain it to them. Make them see your way. Cause posting in here won't just cut it
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two.
In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it?
I was wondering myself why the-one-who-shall-not-be-named is not part of the HoF...but after reading a bit of the comments here, maybe its too early for Voldemort :p , more time has to elapse till the people of the HoF will be able to differentiate his action on and off the game...so i think in a couple of years Savior will be joining the squad of skilled heroes.
And this Hall of Fame is a really good idea, as its establish esport as a kind of sport, to retain and express the history.
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two.
In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it?
It's hilarious to think that you consider guys like Casy, GoRush and many others scrubs compared to MJY, but now is NOT the time to see whether his actions outside the game have created enough of an impact that it could be said that he definitely killed the sponsorship flow for BW (which we will judge by looking at how many sponsors line up for SC2 leagues).
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two.
In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it?
This is just the HoF ballot. Lots of players end up on the ballots for the Halls of Fame in various sports every year because they fit some relatively loose criteria for performance and/or longevity. That doesn't mean that they're getting voted in.
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list.
I would like to actually disagree with this.
I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread.
I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play.
You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list.
Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy?
Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two.
In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it?
This is just the HoF ballot. Lots of players end up on the ballots for the Halls of Fame in various sports every year because they fit some relatively loose criteria for performance and/or longevity. That doesn't mean that they're getting voted in.
Right, just as in almost every teamsport (football, basketball, american football), you have some players being a substitute at a top team for their whole carreer and winning multiple championships and when you look at the list of players who have won titles to get promoted to the HoF, well here we go...but it is only a list, not the decision which is based on opinions and not just a list to check.
I always rememberd how i tried to copy garimto's strategies everygame like i did really well and so! but he was so almighty with his strategies! You should also make an hall of fame for the foreigners that'd be awesome.
Comparing the accomplishments of Effort and Sea, and their vote percentages, I call terran mafia. Also, again reminder that : Iris = Berserker, Casy = adamas, Kwanro = Gangyu.
P.S. Not sure how it was before, but currently you can vote Yes/No for each of the suggested players. I went through all of them.
P.P.S. Current list of those who pass the 60% requirement: Nal_rA, Bisu, July, Reach, stork, AnyTime, Flash, NaDa, JD, Fantasy, YellOw, Garimto, Kingdom, GoRush, XellOs, SLayerS_'BoxeR', loveoov, Jangbi
On August 16 2012 16:37 figq wrote: Comparing the accomplishments of Effort and Sea, and their vote percentages, I call terran mafia. Also, again reminder that : Iris = Berserker, Casy = adamas, Kwanro = Gangyu.
P.S. Not sure how it was before, but currently you can vote Yes/No for each of the suggested players. I went through all of them.
P.P.S. Current list of those who pass the 60% requirement: Nal_rA, Bisu, July, Reach, stork, AnyTime, Flash, NaDa, JD, Fantasy, YellOw, Garimto, Kingdom, GoRush, XellOs, SLayerS_'BoxeR', loveoov, Jangbi
no GGPlay, no Grrrr =(
Fanta is on 53%, he wont make it. Garimto is below too. Thats what I was afraid of. This is becoming bias/hate contest.
On August 16 2012 16:37 figq wrote: Comparing the accomplishments of Effort and Sea, and their vote percentages, I call terran mafia. Also, again reminder that : Iris = Berserker, Casy = adamas, Kwanro = Gangyu.
P.S. Not sure how it was before, but currently you can vote Yes/No for each of the suggested players. I went through all of them.
P.P.S. Current list of those who pass the 60% requirement: Nal_rA, Bisu, July, Reach, stork, AnyTime, Flash, NaDa, JD, Fantasy, YellOw, Garimto, Kingdom, GoRush, XellOs, SLayerS_'BoxeR', loveoov, Jangbi
no GGPlay, no Grrrr =(
Fanta is on 53%, he wont make it. Garimto is below too. Thats what I was afraid of. This is becoming bias/hate contest.
Fantasy was above 90% last night, guess it can be pretty volatile.
The trolls are out in force. 18% of people don't think Nada is a HoF? 16% for JD? 13% for oov? Normally trolling and misclicks only account for 5-8% in public polls. They'll get in no problem but it's still a bit ridiculous. Despite being a Xellos fan I have to say his inclusion would be pretty borderline. 1 OSL and 1 WCG win is nice and he was a top 5 player for a couple years but never held that #1 overall spot and was only the #1 terran for a very brief time. I thought Chojja would be at least borderline also but he's way down at only 33% Fantasy not making it in would be a tragedy. True he only has 1 OSL win but he has 4 runner ups and played a key role in 2 of SKT's proleague championships and 1 winner's league championship.
I just wonder what sane person would put Kingdom over Fantasy. And seriously red4ce, I dont know why you have a doubts with Xellos, specially if you are a fan. I was not really his fan and I admit he really was a BIG DEAL. I'm happy about him.
How is fantasy not above 60%? Do Koreans really hate him that much? 3-0 best player in the world have amazing series vs same guy in a Bo5 a couple years back, consistent PL performance, best (second to NaDa maybe?) vulture control ever. garimto too?
I think most of the people in the negatives is not really because people think they don't deserve it. I think it was because originally, you could only vote for only one person, so everyone down voted all the others
On August 17 2012 01:15 Supert0fu wrote: No savior?
as much as i would love to see him up there, he cheated. point blank. if flash or jaedong or any of the other bonjwas cheated, they dont deserve to be up there. but he'll be there in my heart, always.
On August 17 2012 01:15 Supert0fu wrote: No savior?
as much as i would love to see him up there, he cheated. point blank. if flash or jaedong or any of the other bonjwas cheated, they dont deserve to be up there. but he'll be there in my heart, always.
Cheated? That's one of the nicest things to say about him
On August 17 2012 01:15 Supert0fu wrote: No savior?
as much as i would love to see him up there, he cheated. point blank. if flash or jaedong or any of the other bonjwas cheated, they dont deserve to be up there. but he'll be there in my heart, always.
matchfixing has nothing to do with cheating. he wasn't playing any thrown games, he organized the operation
Keep in mind there's gonna be a last round after us, when the decision will be up to professionals. I wonder if that means they could add in some name(s) or are they gonna trim the selection even more.
Perhaps the chosen entries would be very few - like 3-5 people.
Initially I thought this is only to introduce one guy to the Hall of Fame, and each year add another, as they do in other sports. In this sense I was convinced Nada deserves the most to be the first one. I hope whatever they decide now that they would consider adding new people in the future, including some of those not added this time.
On August 17 2012 08:28 amazingoopah wrote: I'm a purist so I don't think current players should be inducted into a hall of fame... only retired players should be able to get in IMHO.
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You don't think Flash/Jaedong/Bisu deserve to be in HoF? Oo;;
On August 17 2012 08:28 amazingoopah wrote: I'm a purist so I don't think current players should be inducted into a hall of fame... only retired players should be able to get in IMHO.
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You don't think Flash/Jaedong/Bisu deserve to be in HoF? Oo;;
He's saying after they actually retire. BW league play stops soon, so technically they will all be retired from BW anyway.
On August 16 2012 04:18 Whiplash wrote: Voted for Grrr.... he won the first OSL and was the only foreigner to I think ever win a big korean tournament. 2nd would be bisu, and its a natural that boxer will win.
Wouldn't it be the second since the 99' Korea Progamer open counts as one? (technically)
hmm, there are quite a few borderline ones I see right now:
Xellos, Chojja - 67% Anytime, Gorush - 66% Fantasy - 63% Zero - 55%
Also Kingdom at 46%, Grrr at 43%, and Garimto at 39%? People must hate Protoss T_T GGPlay at 41%, and Midas at 39%... hey I got to vote again!... no wait I didn't :| those liars
On August 16 2012 04:18 Whiplash wrote: Voted for Grrr.... he won the first OSL and was the only foreigner to I think ever win a big korean tournament. 2nd would be bisu, and its a natural that boxer will win.
Wouldn't it be the second since the 99' Korea Progamer open counts as one? (technically)
Imo all the past Bonjwas should get immediate entries into the hall of fame. we can then vote on the rest... it's stupid if u can technically vote sum1 like boxer or any of the other greatest players out of the hall of fame in the first place... ㅡ.ㅡ.... lol
Tier 4: Foreigners: some players before 2001 (Slayer, Maynard, Sven... though this is kind of a different category, whatever), Legionnaire Koreans: some players before 2001 (not really sure), ChRh, Mumyung, IntoTheRainbow, Sync, Silent_Control, Pusan, TheMarine, fOru, Zeus, Jju, Goodfriend, Oversky, Midas, Iris, Casy, [Hwasin...], Best, Kal, Sea, Effort, Zero
Also some other oldies that I'm too noob to know about might be here (Junwi, sigamari, Ssamjang, Eros~Rage, Sir@Soni, Sonic)Black, [Oops]Lee, JoyO, V-Gundam, Clon, Kos, Jinnam/Jinsu, TeratO, Ogogo, Yooi...)
Also, the "hilarious players Hall of Fame": Mumyung, Chalrenge, Rock, FBH, Backho, Jaehoon.
On August 17 2012 08:28 amazingoopah wrote: I'm a purist so I don't think current players should be inducted into a hall of fame... only retired players should be able to get in IMHO.
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You don't think Flash/Jaedong/Bisu deserve to be in HoF? Oo;;
On August 18 2012 07:24 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: How is Garimto not qualifying wtf is wrong with ppl
I don't think most people know who he is T-T...
Would've been better if they had a hype video with each player's most memorable scenes so that people would realize how great each of these players were
On August 18 2012 04:38 rift wrote: The numbers are deflating bc they showed them. After it was hidden people had 94 and higher but now you get downvoting.
This is a saddening truth about most of us asians a lot of times we're not content with just upvoting the ones we like or downvoting the antifans we'll downvote the others too to try and make a more significant difference.. :\ Nearly no one tries to be impartial about it at all
why the fuck are people bothering to downvote midas rofl. I get not voting for someone but actively going out to downvote him? Especially as he is more kind of middle old era, not a complete ancient (or someone who is good in PL but may not deserve immediate induction to hall of fame, like Leta or Sea)
Tier 4: Foreigners: some players before 2001 (Slayer, Maynard, Sven... though this is kind of a different category, whatever), Legionnaire Koreans: some players before 2001 (not really sure), ChRh, Mumyung, IntoTheRainbow, Sync, Silent_Control, Pusan, TheMarine, fOru, Zeus, Jju, Goodfriend, Oversky, Midas, Iris, Casy, [Hwasin...], Best, Kal, Sea, Effort, Zero
Also some other oldies that I'm too noob to know about might be here (Junwi, sigamari, Ssamjang, Eros~Rage, Sir@Soni, Sonic)Black, [Oops]Lee, JoyO, V-Gundam, Clon, Kos, Jinnam/Jinsu, TeratO, Ogogo, Yooi...)
Also, the "hilarious players Hall of Fame": Mumyung, Chalrenge, Rock, FBH, Backho, Jaehoon.
July should be Tier 1. He's a Golden Mouse winner and popularized (even if not invented) a completely new way to play a race that's still in heavy use today. Also, Garimto and Reach should probably move up a Tier, their accomplishments compared to their race's overall accomplishments make them more significant.
July's "innovation" to the zerg race was to carelessly flop against his opponents until they died in the same way a paraplegic may try to tear down a brick wall with their face. He would be an minor after thought if not for abusively playing his way through the easiest set of opponents to a title ever when he was way beyond his prime. He's fine right where he is at 2nd tier.
On August 18 2012 13:16 hacklebeast wrote: July's "innovation" to the zerg race was to carelessly flop against his opponents until they died in the same way a paraplegic may try to tear down a brick wall with their face. He would be an minor after thought if not for abusively playing his way through the easiest set of opponents to a title ever when he was way beyond his prime. He's fine right where he is at 2nd tier.
SKT tag + Best's involvement of that 0-3 EVER '08 leads me to say: boo hoo
Uh, I only pointed the most obvious reasons, actually July has developed his own map-optimizing builds with many subtleties in them, but I guess you wouldn't care about that if you don't play zerg. July's madness is much more calculated than it looks.
Savior's whole legacy is tainted no matter what you say about it. I like the comparison between steroid users in the MLB and an eSport should have some integrety and be held to a high standard as well. Honestly I dont know why people arent refering to him as he who should not be named so we can finally stop remembering how he forsake everything for money which he was already earning for doing something he supposedly loved and others only wish they could make money doing professionally.
wow fanta is so close... and why not kingdom, Grrrr..., Garimto, and Effort!! we must push these guys into it!!!!! RALLY IT UP we need a foreigner in the Hall of Fame
On August 18 2012 13:16 hacklebeast wrote: July's "innovation" to the zerg race was to carelessly flop against his opponents until they died in the same way a paraplegic may try to tear down a brick wall with their face. He would be an minor after thought if not for abusively playing his way through the easiest set of opponents to a title ever when he was way beyond his prime. He's fine right where he is at 2nd tier.
SKT tag + Best's involvement of that 0-3 EVER '08 leads me to say: boo hoo
I am willing to admit that if he hadn't deprived my favorite player of his championship, I probably wouldn't have thrown in the part about the retarded paraplegic.
Unfortunately, this is essentially a popularity contest so no matter how good/ influential your play is back then, if you don't have the fan base to vote for you, you won't make the cut.
Top 10 right now is like: BoxeR NaDa Nal_rA YellOw July iloveoov Reach FlaSh Jaedong Bisu
Man, NaDa has a lot of fans, he was at 82% when I started writing this, now 86% (same as BoxeR).
EffOrt being so low is fucked. He was a phenomenon in 2009, and his title win over Flash was great. He was right up there as the second best zerg for a time, and was borderline on TBLS along with Fantasy for ages. (And seriously how is ZerO higher than EffOrt?!). Also just look at his page, he has 60% wins. Hardly anyone has a life-time win-rate of 60%. I don't actually mind ZerO being in the list, I think he should be below EffOrt. I feel ZerO is more at the Best, Calm level.
On August 17 2012 01:08 SeeKeR wrote: I'm going to be honest:
I think most of the people in the negatives is not really because people think they don't deserve it. I think it was because originally, you could only vote for one person, so everyone down voted all the others
If that's the reason, then that is terrible.
On August 15 2012 16:56 red4ce wrote: My minimum criteria would be players who won at least 2 individual leagues (Flash, NaDa, Jaedong, iloveoov, Bisu, July, BoxeR, ,GARIMTO, NalrA, JangBi), was the #1 ranked player of his race for over a year (YellOw, Reach, Stork) or held the #1 overall Kespa rank at any time (ChoJJa, Fantasy). I presume the warning up top is regarding sAviOr so I won't get into that.
I quite like the bar being set this high, good list too.
On August 19 2012 17:40 c3rberUs wrote: Unfortunately, this is essentially a popularity contest so no matter how good/ influential your play is back then, if you don't have the fan base to vote for you, you won't make the cut.
Top 10 right now is like: BoxeR NaDa Nal_rA YellOw July iloveoov Reach FlaSh Jaedong Bisu
Man, NaDa has a lot of fans, he was at 82% when I started writing this, now 86% (same as BoxeR).
Oh yes and go Kingdom!!!
I think in order to prevent this popularity vote from overtaking the entire thing, they do have a third process in which commentators and the media approve of the votes. Unfortunately, the players have to have over 60% approval of votes before the third process can begin
On August 19 2012 16:08 dark_dragoon10 wrote: wow fanta is so close... and why not kingdom, Grrrr..., Garimto, and Effort!! we must push these guys into it!!!!! RALLY IT UP we need a foreigner in the Hall of Fame
I'm assuming there is a very small number who will get in, and if that is the case then how can you even begin to think players like Effort or Grrr deserve to be in the first selection over those with much more distinguished careers?
On August 20 2012 02:04 Subversive wrote: Calm. He won a starleague and was a total force for about a year in PL.
No, he didn't.
He won an MSL. While technically only the OSL is a starleague, for simplicities sake both are usually referred to as such. So unless you're nit-picking, yes, he did.
On August 15 2012 07:40 N.geNuity wrote: I can't really tell if I voted or not as it takes the pages a million years to load and even though I logged in I didn't see anything that shows you are logged in (like username in the corner)
did get "투표 하시겠습니까?" which is "do you want to vote?" so I assume I got at least 1 vote for fantasy in.
if it is one vote/account then I don't see how more than like 10 people will realistically be chosen.
*edit* I guess trying another vote I got a little message back that was "The webpage says [korean stuff]" that I couldn't copy paste to google translate, but I assume it's some "you have already voted" message.
Hey, so I wanted to bump this to 1) get more votes but also 2) the interface changed since last I checked--it is giving vote confirmation. 3) I think you can vote for multiple people. It seems like it counts who you voted for and how you voted for them now.
As indicated by this previous post, I first voted fantasy. Right now just logged in and saw the graphic (my gosu korean google translate says 투표완료= vote complete) that shows I voted for him + Show Spoiler [fantasy vote from past] +
Excellent bump! Missed it the first time around. Too tired now for any korean page shenanigans. Sorry for my sloppiness but how is sea doing right now in these polls? The strongest motivation for me to reg and vote is to get sea in there!
Nothing game wise would make me happier than seeing sea kicking ass in code S
-- A bit down the scale from that would be seeing MTW Synderen pulling his awesome card and starting to kick chinesese pro buttocks in Dota 2 The International; that would be magic as well Probably means nothing here in holy BW land though...
I think Savoir should be mentioned, but it should be pressed upon people the gravity of what he did. He was too impactful to be left out of a shrine to Broodwar, but that doesn't mean history has to be kind to him.
On August 30 2012 09:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I think Savoir should be mentioned, but it should be pressed upon people the gravity of what he did. He was too impactful to be left out of a shrine to Broodwar, but that doesn't mean history has to be kind to him.
sAviOr has been mentioned to death in this thread. But it tends to derail the thread so sAviOr is kind of taboo right now
Anyone else vote for Kwanro??? Dude was predictable but still exciting to watch... You knew what was coming but still it was fun~ Other than that haha AFter a tie for first place (Boxer and NaDa) Yellow's a single percentage point behind~ at least at the time of my voting
Zero slipped to 58%. It'd be quite sad and a shame if the only modern era zerg player to be inducted was jaedong and gorush (personally I prefer effort and ggplay over zero, for reasons outlined over in the effort fanclub /plug). Also, I don't really remember anything particularly modern about gorush, who was a progamer for umpteen million years and still active through early 2011 when he became commentator. I.e. he's not more modern era, but ggplay was there for initialization of the fantasy build :p. However, ggplay and effort are too far out now to get 60%.
So people need to help bump zero up at the very least.
On September 09 2012 06:54 greenelve wrote: ehm...just asking, is this the only voting or will be more (bw) players join the hall of fame in the next years?
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