Yeah this is a hard one for me..... :/

In terms of the his play, he absolutely deserves a spot as the God of War...was just fantastic to watch and he was a clear legend. But, painfully obviously, he also did help bring about the fall of the esport because of the thing-which-must-not-be-named...sigh......

JonathanMerklin

United States72 Posts

August 15 2012 02:55 GMT

#88

On August 15 2012 11:41 JohnBall wrote:
Savior deserves a spot on the Hall of Fame. And a pretty big spot at that.

Alright, let me put it for you this way.

Here is a - rather small, might I add, as a Reds fan - list of one Pete Rose's accomplishments in the biggest of the big leagues for baseball, Major League Baseball. However, this is a man who placed bets on games in the sport in which he competed. Some of which were for and against his own team, of which he was a manager at the time.

Sound vaguely familiar to what we're dealing with with Savior?

Anyways - Pete Rose has been banned from baseball. Shunned completely, baseball-wise, by damn near everyone outside of the Cincinnati area. He has no shot to get in the Hall of Fame - banned from it, even with the statistics that he racked up. It's been over 20 years - multiple different commissioners have said at multiple different times there is no chance for reinstatement.

Pete Rose and Ma Jae Yoon both compromised the integrity of the game, the sport of it - for personal gain. They are both banned for good reasons. Even around my parts of central Ohio, people who think Pete Rose deserves reinstatement are in the vocal minority. Savior - and all others involved in the scandal - should continue to be banned from all KeSPA events, shrines, etc.

Like Pete Rose, there exists footage of Savior winning games. Dominating. Feel free to watch them and appreciate them for the brilliance and skill for a game that at one point...belonged to him. Just don't pretend for a moment that the man behind the keyboard is a different person than the man who could have singlehandedly brought down esports as we know it.

Skwid1g

United States953 Posts

August 15 2012 02:55 GMT

#89

On August 15 2012 11:50 Aerisky wrote:

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His play deserves a spot, but they shouldn't give him one. It'll cause way more problems from angry fans and whatnot than it would do good. And the person plays a role in whether they deserve a spot or not, and while his play deserves a spot, Savior does not. He is/was my favorite Zerg player of all time, but I understand why they aren't giving him a spot. Anyway, I think this discussion is kind of pointless. He's not going to be there and the reasons are obvious as to why; I can't see this going anywhere but "I'm right" "No, I'm right!"

I'm more interested in hearing exactly how many people are going to make it in, there are just so many names on that list that just HAVE to be in the hall of fame.

Aerisky

United States12129 Posts

August 15 2012 02:57 GMT

#90

On August 15 2012 11:55 Skwid1g wrote:

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He deserves a spot, but they shouldn't give him one. It'll cause way more problems from angry fans and whatnot than it would do good.

Anyway, I think this discussion is kind of pointless. He's not going to be there and the reasons are obvious as to why; I can't see this going anywhere but "I'm right" "No, I'm right!"

I'm more interested in hearing exactly how many people are going to make it in, there are just so many names on that list that just HAVE to be in the hall of fame.

Yeah, fair enough. Putting him in there will only do harm in all likelihood.

I'm sort of sad not all the recommended players can be in the hall of fame...I mean, why not just have all of them be in it? >.<

Ideas

United States8168 Posts

August 15 2012 02:58 GMT

#91

no one is denying savior's accomplishments. but we don't have to celebrate them.

Seeker

Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts

August 15 2012 03:06 GMT

#92

I mentioned this before but maybe I should put it in the OP?

I think it is possible to vote for all of your favorite players as long as you are willing to make multiple accounts.

Could someone confirm this please?

T.O.P.

Hong Kong4685 Posts

August 15 2012 03:09 GMT

#93

Furthermore, if the eSports stadium gets established, the Hall of Fame memorial will feature the gamers' past uniforms and mouses should they choose to donate them.

Are they building a new esports stadium?

Even if they don't induct matchfixers into the Hall of Fame. They can build a section in it telling the matchfixing story in bw's history. IMO, they should just build a bw museum, highlighting all the different eras of bw.

Fyrewolf

United States1533 Posts

August 15 2012 03:14 GMT

#94

I wish FBH was on the list. So many good candidates, I'm torn as to who to vote for. While I love Midas, Kingdom, and Garimto, for the first inductions I might have to choose between The Magician, The Mantoss, or The Emperor.
And no, Savior doesn't deserve recognition for his accomplishments anymore(his games are still good to watch if you like tho); he threw that away himself when he decided money was worth more than his own (and BW's) reputation and integrity.

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

August 15 2012 03:20 GMT

#95

On August 15 2012 12:09 T.O.P. wrote:

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Yeah with like computer displaying the cool games too.

And I heard that BW progamming started with a table tennis table, bring that table in!

Get the MBC booth, OGN booth

Take your kids to be a progamer day? Yes please!

arb

Noobville17922 Posts

August 15 2012 03:23 GMT

#96

I'd vote NaDa personally, But! if he were there I would most def vote for Savior

MountainDewJunkie

United States10346 Posts

August 15 2012 05:06 GMT

#97

At least Pete Rose bet on his own team. Savior lost for petty bananas and strong-armed schmucks like Hwasin to throw more games because they "owed him." Turns out his little scheme hit roadblocks, as many other players were throwing games on their own terms. Even funnier when two game-throwers got matched (Yarnc vs Hwasin, Lux vs Hwasin, UpMagic vs Savior).

But should Savior at least be eligible for votes? I kind of think so.

My vote is for Jangbi