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catplanetcatplanet
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On August 16 2012 02:02 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Anyone know much about SKELTON? Only that he lost rather badly to GARIMTO in GARIMTO's first OSL. | ||
itsjustatank
Hong Kong9179 Posts
 SKELTON also played in the first televised professional Brood War match. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 15 2012 16:58 Telcontar wrote: You cannot just separate Savior's play & achievements from his transgressions. Wherever that name goes, everything he has done, including all of the wrongdoings, go with it. To include him, or anyone involved in the match fixing fiasco, will irrevocably taint the list. I would like to actually disagree with this. I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread. I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play. You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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Whiplash
United States2929 Posts
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Bevan
Canada90 Posts
On August 16 2012 03:54 VirgilSC2 wrote: I would like to actually disagree with this. I am aware we're supposed to be "staying on topic" but this falls under what I see as the topic of this thread. I'm of the belief it's actually the other way around. If you want it to be a TRUE eSports "Hall of Fame" you need to be able to separate his transgressions from his play. You may not like the things he did outside the game, and you may not think he's a good person, but he did irrevocably change the way Brood War was played, and he was a DOMINATING player in his prime. I'm of the opinion that leaving him out when he's such a pivotal figure in the GAMEPLAY of Brood War would taint the list. Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy? | ||
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On August 16 2012 04:50 Bevan wrote: Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy? I think the evolution of modern Zerg play belongs in part to sAviOr, that's legacy enough alone for Hall of Fame contention. If not, how about the entire stretch of time he turned professional play upside down singlehandedly with his ZvT? | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On August 16 2012 05:39 VirgilSC2 wrote: I think the evolution of modern Zerg play belongs in part to sAviOr, that's legacy enough alone for Hall of Fame contention. If not, how about the entire stretch of time he turned professional play upside down singlehandedly with his ZvT? Virgil, I'll take you to the KeSPA people. Explain it to them. Make them see your way. Cause posting in here won't just cut it | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On August 16 2012 04:50 Bevan wrote: Typically a Hall of Fame is established to celebrate the career, contributions and legacy of players. This whole debate can be easily settled with one question: what is savior's legacy? His legacy is being the God of the Battlefield. Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two. In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
Voted for JD , obviously  | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
dont wanna waste a vote on someone who will get in anywhere. | ||
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Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On August 16 2012 02:17 Mindcrime wrote: Only that he lost rather badly to GARIMTO in GARIMTO's first OSL. His name was aptly chosen. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
And this Hall of Fame is a really good idea, as its establish esport as a kind of sport, to retain and express the history. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
On August 16 2012 05:58 Southlight wrote: His legacy is being the God of the Battlefield. Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two. In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it? It's hilarious to think that you consider guys like Casy, GoRush and many others scrubs compared to MJY, but now is NOT the time to see whether his actions outside the game have created enough of an impact that it could be said that he definitely killed the sponsorship flow for BW (which we will judge by looking at how many sponsors line up for SC2 leagues). | ||
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On August 16 2012 05:58 Southlight wrote: His legacy is being the God of the Battlefield. Only one Hall of Fame in US Major Sports has ever overtly kept a player out for off-field transgressions (MLB - Rose and the Steroid Era). Other HoFs appropriate understand that the HoF is for player contributions on the field, not off the field. Writers admit that it's hard to completely separate the two (it's hard to vote for a jackass) but there are serious attempts to separate the two. In this HoF's case there's a comical attempt to exclude Savior, but in response they will omit one of the biggest names in favor of a bunch of scrubs who have no business being in such a club. Sure, omit him. But omit all these mediocre players, too. But no, that's not the path they're taking. So what's the point of it? This is just the HoF ballot. Lots of players end up on the ballots for the Halls of Fame in various sports every year because they fit some relatively loose criteria for performance and/or longevity. That doesn't mean that they're getting voted in. | ||
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
On August 16 2012 08:28 jobber123rd wrote: This is just the HoF ballot. Lots of players end up on the ballots for the Halls of Fame in various sports every year because they fit some relatively loose criteria for performance and/or longevity. That doesn't mean that they're getting voted in. Right, just as in almost every teamsport (football, basketball, american football), you have some players being a substitute at a top team for their whole carreer and winning multiple championships and when you look at the list of players who have won titles to get promoted to the HoF, well here we go...but it is only a list, not the decision which is based on opinions and not just a list to check. | ||
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