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wtf, a little too late don't you think....
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On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing.
Redbull just sponsored StarTale.
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On July 12 2012 13:13 LOcDowN wrote:
Sounds like PR bullshit, just all talks when the smoke is cleared.
I'm inclined to agree with this, I want to be naive and believe otherwise, but recently theres a lot of talk but no action about stopping/disappointment in the SC2 juggernaut that is going to put BW away. (eg: Coach Park, Stork, probably a few other ones I can't recall right now)
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pretty fair weather with this guy.
didn't want to take any action towards sponsorship when BW was struggling, complains when BW is going to end.
to be fair though, it could have been that his buisness wasn't successful enough at the time, or that he wasn't in a position to express his interest.
either way, it's stuff like this that makes me sad. it's too late.
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On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale.
If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament.
http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/
I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention.
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On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale.
That doesn't really help kespa though does it?
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On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention.
You forget the people that watch BW on TV.
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As a sc2 turned bw fan I am all for any continuation and hope to see more of the Chinese leagues if its all that we can get. But a continuation of a bw league would be great I wonder what the terms were of the agreement with blizzard and GOM and if it stated they had to swap to sc2. Hopefully if sponsorship comes through they can turn tail!
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On July 12 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention. You forget the people that watch BW on TV.
And the time I bothered to look there were 74k+ concurrent viewers for the OSL on this 1 Chinese stream (there are >5 streams)
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I don't care if it "sounds" real or not - the truth is - one guy who owns a company cannot donate the amount of money it would take to run a sporting event. So for those saying "Well, it's too little, too late." but if he were to start a new league, he would have to contend with OGN. If OGN ceases supporting BroodWar, then it becomes more viable that he can take over BroodWar.
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On July 12 2012 14:53 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention. You forget the people that watch BW on TV. And the time I bothered to look there were 74k+ concurrent viewers for the OSL on this 1 Chinese stream (there are >5 streams)
BURN!!!
Which company CEO could this be...
Hyundai? LG? Hmm...
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On July 12 2012 15:03 Black[CAT] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:53 Caihead wrote:On July 12 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention. You forget the people that watch BW on TV. And the time I bothered to look there were 74k+ concurrent viewers for the OSL on this 1 Chinese stream (there are >5 streams) BURN!!! Which company CEO could this be... Hyundai? LG? Hmm...
Definitely not LG since they sponsor Incredible Miracle.
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On July 12 2012 15:04 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 15:03 Black[CAT] wrote:On July 12 2012 14:53 Caihead wrote:On July 12 2012 14:46 Lightwip wrote:On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention. You forget the people that watch BW on TV. And the time I bothered to look there were 74k+ concurrent viewers for the OSL on this 1 Chinese stream (there are >5 streams) BURN!!! Which company CEO could this be... Hyundai? LG? Hmm... Definitely not LG since they sponsor Incredible Miracle.
Well if it's S.Korean it's not limited to just the technology industry, so could be anything.
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Would be interesting if Kespa intended to switch to SC2 all along and in doing so alienated potential sponsors like this guy.
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On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention.
Sure viewer count is important but you have to consider the money and how Kespa is supposed to get it. Even though BW is having a hard time with sponsorship SC2 doesn't really seem to be doing that much better. When you look at BW sponsors it's major companies like SK Telecom and Samsung. Who sponsors SC2 teams? It isn't Verizon or GE or anything comparable to the Kespa corporations. Companies like Redbull are the kind of sponsorship SC2 needs if it wants to really take off, but what is Kespa doing to attract them? Going by the LR threads international viewership for PL seems pretty abysmal and the ideas that were talked about before the season began like English commentary have yet to go anywhere. Nothing about the situation adds up. It makes me think there's a really important factor driving things that we don't know about.
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On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention.
SC2 brings bigger international viwership that's still a drop in the ocean when compared to Korean/China and their BW viwership.
As for Redbull sponsoring StarTale, it looks more like a minor sponsor. I have yet to see a major SC2 sponsor actually fork millions of dollars a years to support their team, like BW sponsors did. Currently it's not even a fraction of that (just read about the Intel sponsorship of Slayers, was supposed to be a big deal).
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On July 12 2012 15:17 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 14:40 BlindKill wrote:On July 12 2012 14:33 xelnaga_empire wrote:On July 12 2012 13:58 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I'm still waiting to see where all the new money SC2 is supposed to bring in will come from. Everyone acts like the obvious reason for switching to SC2 was to get sponsorship money from international companies, but it doesn't seem that obvious to me. If they were really after international attention wouldn't they have gone with the English client and gotten English commentary by now? The whole thing feels like some kind of conspiracy where half of the puzzle pieces are missing. Redbull just sponsored StarTale. If you look at the viewer counts for livestreams, MLG/Dreamhack are raking in over 20,000 viewers ( for days, not just for the ro16 or whatever) easily plus guys like destiny/stephano getting over 4,000 viewers whenever they stream. I'd assume GSL gets even more being the "Korean" tournament. http://www.complexitygaming.com/news/2969/I think during the Jangbang OSL Sayle's count was like 2,000? There are probably more unlisted stream that get a few thousand here and there, plus ESPORTSTV . But yeah, SC 2 brings a higher viewer count and way way bigger international attention. SC2 brings bigger international viwership that's still a drop in the ocean when compared to Korean/China and their BW viwership. As for Redbull sponsoring StarTale, it looks more like a minor sponsor. I have yet to see a major SC2 sponsor actually fork millions of dollars a years to support their team, like BW sponsors did. Currently it's not even a fraction of that (just read about the Intel sponsorship of Slayers, was supposed to be a big deal).
I believe the only sponsorship of an sc2 team that is similar to a BW team sponsorship is LG sponsoring IM, LG became part of the player ID and Mvp and Nestea get a good salary from it.
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Thanks for translating Ryo, hope you feel better soon.
<3
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Unfortunately, I do think it's too late. Plans for SC2 switchover are already in place so ugh. Maybe 6 months ago this would be great. I don't know why he comes out and says this now though.
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