EPTI just played a 3v3 BGH game and one of my opponents had a peak of 1656 (!!) according to BWCharts.
Highest APM seen or achieved?
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
I just played a 3v3 BGH game and one of my opponents had a peak of 1656 (!!) according to BWCharts. | ||
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Vazze
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Yaqoob
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Chef
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peak APM can be cool because it usually coincides with a micro battle, but steady apm is often hotkey spam to keep you you playing quickly, rather than accomplishing a lot at once. Because of these things it is often more interesting to look at your own APM because you know exactly what it means and how you play, whether it is spam or not etc. | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
Watched a korean progamer show (I think it was Nal_Ra) saying that there were progamers with 500 apm but were just spamming needlessly and actually slowing down their gameplay. | ||
FlaShFTW
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yB.TeH
Germany414 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:14 pyrogenetix wrote: Probably Nada or something, averaging 400 e-apm. Watched a korean progamer show (I think it was Nal_Ra) saying that there were progamers with 500 apm but were just spamming needlessly and actually slowing down their gameplay. no one is averaging 400 eapm... nada used to have 400average apm in most of his games. highest average eapm i have seen was around 270eapm in flash replays .s | ||
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thealexw87
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:20 Qeet wrote: no one is averaging 400 eapm... nada used to have 400average apm in most of his games. highest average eapm i have seen was around 270eapm in flash replays .s Yea that's probably correct now that I think about it. | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
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figq
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By holding a key and setting my keyboard to detect a held key as often as technically possible, I've sometimes gotten peak APM upwards of 4000+, but that just doesn't mean anything. I'm interested in the highest recorded average APM in an official BW match though. As far as I know, the known record is held by Julyzerg with something like 500-600 average APM, but I may be wrong. | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
july hit 800+ peak during an official match | ||
Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:08 Chef wrote: That's not a hack, that's just someone holding down ctrl + # for awhile. BW chart reads it as many actions being repeated over and over. peak APM can be cool because it usually coincides with a micro battle, but steady apm is often hotkey spam to keep you you playing quickly, rather than accomplishing a lot at once. Because of these things it is often more interesting to look at your own APM because you know exactly what it means and how you play, whether it is spam or not etc. Without lag, holding down a key in the fastest game setting only gets me 800-1000 APM (with the key repeat set to highest on the windows keyboard config). The >12 unit selection hack can get really high APMs though. | ||
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Aelfric
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AoN.DimSum
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nanaoei
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i thought julyzerg peaked over 880? it was in a game against Best (finals) was it not? they usually show those stats during match analysis between games at an OSL. I think By.Hero has the highest average out of any known player, usually above 450 average. i would not be surprised if he's gone above 900 in an OSL/MSL match. then again, i don't recall him being a starleaguer for a while now, please correct me if i'm wrong. julyzerg's record was definitely up there, i remember seeing it, calculating it slowly in my head, and going to my friends to tell them, "YO. THAT'S 15-mousclicks/keyboard strokes a SECOND!" honestly for that one second/minute spike (400-900apm), i know some who don't make that many actions in an entire GAME. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
According to OGN Yarnc picked at 3992 APM  . | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
On June 29 2012 03:40 FlaShFTW wrote: 3992... wat a hacker. wow how is that even possible? the hotkey spam only gets 1k i thought. Lag with it you'll see a higher count. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10125 Posts
wait, so the game was laggin when he did that? or was it not lagging. I thought without lag it peaked at 1k... | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
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FlaShFTW
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iFU.pauline
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GTR
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On June 29 2012 03:16 AoN.DimSum wrote: I remember there was a semi pro protoss player with 500~ apm. I really can't remember the name but it was something like hermito(sp?) HERIMTO[Shield] before bwchart i think arang was the fastest protoss. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
seen NaDa have 279eapm and 450-ish apm | ||
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Chef
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On June 29 2012 03:04 Kau wrote: Without lag, holding down a key in the fastest game setting only gets me 800-1000 APM (with the key repeat set to highest on the windows keyboard config). The >12 unit selection hack can get really high APMs though. Oh... Maybe. I have the vague memory of holding down a key for an entire game as an ob back in the day and getting maxed out apm tho. Pretty sure the longer you hold it the more broken. | ||
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
On June 29 2012 03:14 Aelfric wrote: Back in the day there was a guy named Clair[GsP] and he was averaging arround 420 apm with protoss which was unseen at that time because everyone was thinking that protoss required less actions. I remember seeing his peak arround 550 apm without using ctrl+ # tricks or anything so he was legit i guess. Are you perhaps thinking of Lee Jung Hoon, i.e MarineKing? He played Protoss in BW, and his ID was Clare. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Clare | ||
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CruiseR
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gk_ender
United States717 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:20 Qeet wrote: no one is averaging 400 eapm... nada used to have 400average apm in most of his games. highest average eapm i have seen was around 270eapm in flash replays .s Thats actually not true at all, Bisu does average over 400 effective apm all the time and is known in korea as the fastest progamer. Both Zero and By.hero are also known to achieve this level on the regular but just not as often or as quick as bisu. Flash and Stork btw are known to be 2 of the slowest eapm players currently so using him as an example isnt really telling. Eapm isnt everything obviously lol | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Not sure if that was just a joke in the old SFW Pics or something hahaha | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:56 gk_ender wrote: Thats actually not true at all, Bisu does average over 400 effective apm all the time and is known in korea as the fastest progamer. Both Zero and By.hero are also known to achieve this level on the regular but just not as often or as quick as bisu. Flash and Stork btw are known to be 2 of the slowest eapm players currently so using him as an example isnt really telling. Eapm isnt everything obviously lol You know you're dealing with people above anything anyone else can even offer accurate advice on in the world when you're referring to 270-300eapm-sustaining players as "2 of the slowest". I've seen some replays of pros maintaining 300-350eapm pretty consistently. It stands to reason that 400+ is achievable although it might not be consistent through all their games. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:01 Snijjer wrote: I was just wondering what the highest apm you've ever seen is. I just played a 3v3 BGH game and one of my opponents had a peak of 1656 (!!) according to BWCharts. Prob hacking, or hotkey spam. I don't think it's humanly possible to have that much APM. July peaked at 818, as people are saying. The highest recorded SC2 APM is DRG with 877 (per real minute), so 1656 can't possibly be real. But peaks are weird. Averages are much more sensible to use, I think, if we're to start talking about who's faster Edit: Messed up my conversion. Stupid Blizzard time. | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Nada, Really, Jaedong, and...no one else I can think of off the top of my head were known for regularly hitting 400 average APM as well. Most pros were between 250-300 range. | ||
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XXGeneration
United States625 Posts
I distinctly recall reading somewhere that it was 818 APM and it was when he was microing mutas on two opposite sides of the map.. not sure how skewed my memory is. | ||
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amazingxkcd
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On June 29 2012 05:56 gk_ender wrote: Thats actually not true at all, Bisu does average over 400 effective apm all the time and is known in korea as the fastest progamer. Both Zero and By.hero are also known to achieve this level on the regular but just not as often or as quick as bisu. Flash and Stork btw are known to be 2 of the slowest eapm players currently so using him as an example isnt really telling. Eapm isnt everything obviously lol Please show me a game where Bisu gets 400 EAPM. That's way higher than the highest I've seen, which is 270-280. As for 'regular' APM the highest I've seen in replays was G.s)Kyo who was pretty much always above 500. I don't know his EAPM since EAPM counters weren't around back then but I'd be surprised if it was over 220. Also it seems like progamers have significantly higher APMs in broadcast games than in practice games. The post-game stats in broadcast games are always 20-50% higher than any replays that I have. For example, Flash seems to have 350+ in his broadcast games, but in all of his replays (admittedly old) he has high 200s/low 300s. On June 29 2012 09:38 Ribbon wrote: July peaked at 818, as people are saying. The highest recorded SC2 APM is DRG with 877 (per real minute), so 1656 can't possibly be real. But peaks are weird. Averages are much more sensible to use, I think, if we're to start talking about who's faster Yes, please don't talk about peaks, most of the absurdly high APMs are just people holding down ctrl+1. Also I don't think a 800+ peak is that hard in SC2 when you can just hold down 'R' with 40 larvae selected. | ||
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Mortality
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
Jaedong and Bisu both have really high apm most of their games (350-400 in almost every game) Flash is quite standard, 300-350. Stork is one of the lowest I remember, that guy isnt really fast but hes clever as fuck. | ||
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SamuraiSEA
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ShadeR
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:20 Qeet wrote: no one is averaging 400 eapm... nada used to have 400average apm in most of his games. highest average eapm i have seen was around 270eapm in flash replays .s Actually, he was known for his 500 APM, with only a few others having such fast hands, his e-apm was similar though to flash at around 220. | ||
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nitdkim
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Epithet
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
When i would browse my bwchart and i happen to scroll over his name, his apm would be always ridiculously high so yeah the guy might have hacked | ||
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endy
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Kashll
United States1117 Posts
) where he had like 550 average APM. Everyone was buzzing about it for a while. | ||
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JustinL
Australia58 Posts
On June 29 2012 10:09 Wonders wrote: Yes, please don't talk about peaks, most of the absurdly high APMs are just people holding down ctrl+1. Also I don't think a 800+ peak is that hard in SC2 when you can just hold down 'R' with 40 larvae selected. Firstly, this thread is about peaks. Secondly, don't claim DRG achieves this apm from holding a button down when you can easily download a TSL4 qualifier replay with him in it and see that's not true. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:25 JustinL wrote: Firstly, this thread is about peaks. Secondly, don't claim DRG achieves this apm from holding a button down when you can easily download a TSL4 qualifier replay with him in it and see that's not true. And the thread is in the BW section so I don't know who started to talk about Sc2 apm, the mechanic of the game is different we can't really compare. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On June 29 2012 15:25 JustinL wrote: Firstly, this thread is about peaks. Secondly, don't claim DRG achieves this apm from holding a button down when you can easily download a TSL4 qualifier replay with him in it and see that's not true. I didn't say anything like that, I know how insanely fast DRG is. I'm saying that a 800 peak by itself isn't very impressive, it even happens in my own games when I hold down a button with lots of larvae selected. And I don't think discussion about peaks is very meaningful for just that reason. | ||
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prosatan
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oGoZenob
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That was the first replay i ever downloaded btw =) | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
 Hyuk once read 900+? | ||
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Motivate
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but he's thoroughly mediocre | ||
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intotheheart
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On June 29 2012 02:18 FlaShFTW wrote: July got 818 apm spike somehow. Wasn't this also long before gaming gear came around too/ | ||
Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On June 29 2012 03:40 FlaShFTW wrote: 3992... wat a hacker. wow how is that even possible? the hotkey spam only gets 1k i thought. It was obviously a number-slip by OGN. | ||
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anonymousVendeta
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pebble444
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c3rberUs
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ninini
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StarscreamG1
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zimp
Hungary951 Posts
http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=51308 (from 2005) but G.s)Kyo wins highest spam rate as well: ~70% hotkey usage a rep from 2011 with 518 apm http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=51309 fastest progamer now is By.Cola from CJ i think, he is usually above 400, often 450+, close to 500 By.HerO is fast too but rather ~300-400, just like NaDa was and many many other progamer nowdays. july peaking once at 800 doesn't mean shit lol. he just held down the keys... the apm highly depends on the matchup, build, and length of the game. generally if there is more ongoing micro, and the rep is short, the apm will be higher. for example zergs usually have higher apm when using 2 hatch muta in zvt because its a heavy micro build and requires both hatchery spam and constant muta micro that means many move clicks at the same time. (thats why by.hero had so high apm vs fantasy in a 9minute game... but in other cases he is "just" ~350) i think all progamers have pretty high e-apm, especially in TvZ where terrans need to do so many things, 250-60 Eapm in tvz is not rare at all in progaming standards. PvZ on the other hand is usually much more defensive so eapm stays lower there i think. Bisu still has 200+ eapm there too tho-.- his eapm is especially high. but you don't need to have high apm to be successful, Savior raped everyone back then with ~230 normal apm, Fantasy has ~250, Stork ~270. Movie reached the osl final with his 220ish normal apm. Clever play and concentrating on the key micros is the most important. | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
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StarStruck
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Piste
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after reading Zimp's message, I think it was G.s)Kyo | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On June 29 2012 11:58 ShadeR wrote: It was either a series vs Flash or a ZvZ series but Hyuk avg 550 in all games LOL I think it was against Flash. In one of the games he had 600 average with ~1000 peak. He lost to a sunken bust before his mutas could come out. LOL | ||
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pebble444
Italy2497 Posts
On July 06 2012 22:38 StarStruck wrote: I know a few players who can break well over 1K if they wanted, but they play really bad when they do that. Picks or it didn' t happen | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 29 2012 12:03 NeMeSiS3 wrote: Actually, he was known for his 500 APM, with only a few others having such fast hands, his e-apm was similar though to flash at around 220. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cDCGA.jpg) So uh wheres this 500 APM at? Cause all his replays are similar. This is confirmed to be Bisu btw. most progamers average around 200 or something eAPM, anyone can spam and get a highass peak, you can see it in alot of Kingdom reps, where people are like OMG HE PEAKED AT LIKE 1K SO GOOD, where in reality he's holding down ctrl 1 or 1 the entire time. Peaks are almost worthless to talk about On July 06 2012 22:38 StarStruck wrote: I know a few players who can break well over 1K if they wanted, but they play really bad when they do that. I can hold a hotkey down or play in lag too, it doesnt make me good. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
When NaDa first started out his hands were faster than pretty much everybody. Mechanically speaking he could hammer people into the ground with Boxer-like micro combined with absurd (by the standards of the day) multitasking ability. As other players began catching up mechanically, NaDa's answer seemed to be trying to play even faster. By comparison, I think one of the biggest advantages Flash had was that he skipped all of that. By the time Flash came along, everybody had very high apm with 300+ being very common. Flash probably has the highest e-apm of anyone, but he doesn't actually have the fastest hands (although his hands are really fucking fast). Mechanically speaking, Flash's key to success is that he focuses only on what's important and does a better job of that than anybody else. The different mindset leads to a different evolution as a player. NaDa wants to click more, more, more because that's what you have to do if you want to win on speed. Flash of course also clicks very fast, but the emphasis on focusing on what's important means prioritizing making clicks count over quantity of actions. It has a lot to do with the respective eras these guys evolved in. | ||
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brolaf
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On June 29 2012 10:09 Wonders wrote: Please show me a game where Bisu gets 400 EAPM. That's way higher than the highest I've seen, which is 270-280. As for 'regular' APM the highest I've seen in replays was G.s)Kyo who was pretty much always above 500. I don't know his EAPM since EAPM counters weren't around back then but I'd be surprised if it was over 220. Also it seems like progamers have significantly higher APMs in broadcast games than in practice games. The post-game stats in broadcast games are always 20-50% higher than any replays that I have. For example, Flash seems to have 350+ in his broadcast games, but in all of his replays (admittedly old) he has high 200s/low 300s. Yes, please don't talk about peaks, most of the absurdly high APMs are just people holding down ctrl+1. Also I don't think a 800+ peak is that hard in SC2 when you can just hold down 'R' with 40 larvae selected. On July 07 2012 04:56 arb wrote: + Show Spoiler + So uh wheres this 500 APM at? Cause all his replays are similar. This is confirmed to be Bisu btw. most progamers average around 200 or something eAPM, anyone can spam and get a highass peak, you can see it in alot of Kingdom reps, where people are like OMG HE PEAKED AT LIKE 1K SO GOOD, where in reality he's holding down ctrl 1 or 1 the entire time. Peaks are almost worthless to talk about I can hold a hotkey down or play in lag too, it doesnt make me good. Look, when bisu is microing his PvZ corsairs, theres practically no reduncancy, he is at super sayan level practically during that time | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 07 2012 06:42 brolaf wrote: Look, when bisu is microing his PvZ corsairs, theres practically no reduncancy, he is at super sayan level practically during that time Being able to do almost no redundancy microing corsairs isnt the same as "known for his 400 eAPM" or "500 average APM" counting that shit in spikes doesnt work. I mean hell playing TvZ at the C Level i could make my battles vs large armies go to like 400 easily, and im by no means as good as Bisu or Flash. | ||
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StorrZerg
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gogo july ^_^ nice to hear these talks again  | ||
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GrazerRinge
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:07 GrazerRinge wrote: this is like who has the bigger d***.... i thought TL used to be better then this Well you could try to get Rekrul to go on a ban hammer craze. | ||
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Archers_bane
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doktorLucifer
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FakeDeath
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It's the average APM that matters . If i am not mistaken,Nada and July average APM usually hover between 450-550 APM.Possibly highest i have seen. Though there was this one time July had 818 APM while micro-ing 2 muta group at the same time in TvZ(ZerO and JD are other two that does this exceptionally well). But then we got Fantasy,Flash and way back Savior that are known for their sick decision making and strategies but does not have like super super high APM.Mostly usually hover around average 250-300ishhh. | ||
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Neo7
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 07 2012 11:32 doktorLucifer wrote: I have a replay from some non-pro named "ganfei" where he averages like 400-450 apm. He was playing SK terran vs a protoss (it was a TZ vs PZ 2v2 game.) Ganfei huh, iirc he was like C+ or something at best? I know he's banned here on most of his accounts. There was a pretty good SK Terran TvP But I can't find it now Shine vs Some protoss on ..Forte? I think. Think he averaged like 470 APM in that game and it was like 20 minutes long | ||
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ScrubbleS
United States74 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
On July 07 2012 16:06 ScrubbleS wrote: lol my friend areaAnda averages 300+ e-apm always... he has reps to prove ez post replays plox | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
We'll never get them, because they don't exist. rofl | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On July 07 2012 16:06 ScrubbleS wrote: lol my friend areaAnda averages 300+ e-apm always... he has reps to prove ez Are you sure it's e-apm and not the bassackwards SC2 eapm? lol | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
Edit: I think it's this one: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
Of course you can get higher by just holding down Ctrl+1 (I've seen over 2000). Highest peak I've ever acheived is just under 600 (in broodwar, I don't play enough SC2 to get fast) and my highest average is probably below 250, normally I end a game with an average of about 180ish. Well I used to at least, haven't played more than 5-6 games of broodwar in the past year or so. | ||
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zimp
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Miragee
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On July 07 2012 23:29 zimp wrote: nobody will ever hit 800!! its just apm peak, which means nothing!! It doesnt have to mean anything, but can mean that you are that fast in situations where it actually matters. | ||
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InFdude
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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
On June 29 2012 10:09 Wonders wrote: Please show me a game where Bisu gets 400 EAPM. That's way higher than the highest I've seen, which is 270-280. As for 'regular' APM the highest I've seen in replays was G.s)Kyo who was pretty much always above 500. I don't know his EAPM since EAPM counters weren't around back then but I'd be surprised if it was over 220. Also it seems like progamers have significantly higher APMs in broadcast games than in practice games. The post-game stats in broadcast games are always 20-50% higher than any replays that I have. For example, Flash seems to have 350+ in his broadcast games, but in all of his replays (admittedly old) he has high 200s/low 300s. Yes, please don't talk about peaks, most of the absurdly high APMs are just people holding down ctrl+1. Also I don't think a 800+ peak is that hard in SC2 when you can just hold down 'R' with 40 larvae selected. Holding down R with 40 larvae doesn't spike your APM unless your keyboard repeat is set really fucking high lol | ||
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Antimatterz
United States1010 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:07 GrazerRinge wrote: this is like who has the bigger d***.... i thought TL used to be better then this Does this mean that this is a sausage fest because we are comparing the sizes of other peoples dicks to each other? | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 08 2012 00:57 Miragee wrote: It doesnt have to mean anything, but can mean that you are that fast in situations where it actually matters. No actually it usually mean's youre holding down one key. The highest APM ive seen usually in actual battles from the replays ive watched over the years is like 500 or somewhere around there. | ||
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Alacar
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On July 08 2012 06:19 arb wrote: No actually it usually mean's youre holding down one key. The highest APM ive seen usually in actual battles from the replays ive watched over the years is like 500 or somewhere around there. DRG would claim that 500 is a bit slow. I assume you missed this game in the last MLG or don't use reddit. Here. This was achieved for 5-10 stable seconds fluxing from 500-650 while making 15 roaches, 5 tumors, moving his army around and hotkey cycling. I also highly doubt that this is the highest anyone has ever hit over a very short time frame. | ||
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doktorLucifer
United States855 Posts
On July 07 2012 16:00 arb wrote: Ganfei huh, iirc he was like C+ or something at best? I know he's banned here on most of his accounts. There was a pretty good SK Terran TvP But I can't find it now Shine vs Some protoss on ..Forte? I think. Think he averaged like 470 APM in that game and it was like 20 minutes long I think he said he was only C+/B- 1v1, but a bit better at 2v2. ¯\(°_o)/¯ | ||
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SenseiFIN
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It is a tehcnique that is required to play track and file type of games at top level, enabling you to hit buttons repeatedly at fast speed. You can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2hn57Wy9mGDx-5RwwQevjQ Mod edit: Links removed | ||
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