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On May 23 2012 08:37 sheaRZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 07:17 koreasilver wrote:It's funny, because the interview where Boxer talked about what Stork is referring to is something I remember really vividly. It was an interview where Boxer and Savior got together, and Boxer was hoping that Savior would become a kind of lead figure after him. It's quite sad if you look back at it with the knowledge and experience of what everyone knows that has happened since then. edit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86325 Wow...you can just taste the moral dilemma in some of Saviors comments regarding life after being on top. I dont really see what you are referring to, however. Nothing Boxer talks about is as specific and practical as what Stork is talking about.
-(Boxer to Savior) I ask you to do me a favor. I tried to do this before I went to army but I think it is late for me to do it now. I hope you can create a player union type of thing where influential players gather to create a better environment for less known player base.
▲ Savior= It is impossible to even imagine players from different teams to gather. Too much team based...
▲ Boxer= But if no action is taken, it will only get worse. Even after I returned from army, I thought that it was very unfair for players.
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On May 23 2012 07:55 Belha wrote:
It is rumored that Stork is not that good at Sc2 (just a rumor). If that is true, then i think stork is just worried about him and other players that indeed and sadly will get out of the scene.
Is that so wrong? Kespa teams and competitions owe their popularity to these players, and it would be very inappropriate to completely discard or ignore them after basically cutting their careers and everything they worked for by switching to a different game.
I imagine most of the more experienced players are in a similar position. I certainly don't see the rest of TBLS faring a lot better competitively, especially in the long run. They've been burning themselves out on Brood War for the last 5+ years to reach an A/S class status, it's incredibly unlikely that they can keep the enthusiasm and motivation to work as hard while having to start from scratch.
There's just so many physical and mental barriers to this transition that I'll be genuinely impressed if too many of the current A/S Class players cross over smoothly. I've been a Bisu fan for as long as I've watched BW, yet I am almost certain that Sun will be more valuable to T1's proleague roster (as far as SC2 is concerned - so if not this season, then certainly the next). I certainly can't see Jaedong doing well either.
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You have a certain responsibility not to squander the team/salary/sponsor system built by the toil of your predecessors. I don't think this is KeSPA's finest moment. I think there are better ways to adopt or fully transition to SC2, even though I would prefer it never happened. PL has been the most important league for a while and it stands to reason some guys are going to be burned to focus on the team's chances, and it mainly has to do with the new rules about being forced to alternate sets and the ace matches always being SC2.
This should be a glorious time of KeSPA players becoming the best anyone's ever been at these games. But there might be no way to stop people from tripping over themselves in both games so long as PL is a hybrid league in this format.
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"Ever since Kespa started running SC2 side by side, they couldn't care less about BW. The final versions of the Starleague maps were not much different from the beta versions. Actually, when progamers compete, they are putting a lot on the line. There is no avenue for players to talk about these things. There is no place to give or receive feedback."
Song byung goo the true hero of broodwar ......... Looks like not all the pro gamers can keep up with the façade of everything is going fine and I like sc 2 .
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I concur with the prior feeling that it's great that finally someone didn't say, "Well, it is what it is." But the whole situation seems dangerous. Kespa wants to burn out the players so they'll get so frustrated practicing for two games that most of the players will just say, "Let's just play SC2 only," which is exactly what Kespa wants, as soon as possible. I know it's already planned, but the sooner the better, Kespa believes, especially if you can break the will of the players. I believe this will backfire at some point.
Also, it can't be too surprising that we'd find at least one player who probably doesn't enjoy SC2 at all. We don't know if that's Stork's beef, but you could tell in certain interviews (Ex: Shine's OSL interview) that some players are really trying to hint that they don't like SC2, at least yet.
Stork is right about a union. The workload is ridiculous, alternating between different games seems absurd, and only diminishes the final product presented to the fans.
My hope is that a lot of people just start "retiring"... by which I mean quitting their teams. If they want to pick up SC2 with TSL or EG or something, more power to them. Maybe their salaries would fall (for some), but at least you won't be burning yourself out (and some teams have very "liberal practice schedules). Hell, maybe a lot of these guys will learn a trade or finish school, and find a new career.
I think Killer got out of dodge, and Jaedong based on certain blurbs he's made seems very unhappy.
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BW, and e-sports in general, needs more people like Stork.
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God damn it, let there be a council! I might be just happy wishing, but if it happens, maybe it means that BW could live a little longer?
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On May 23 2012 08:47 RamenStyle wrote:
God damn it, let there be a council! I might be just happy wishing, but if it happens, maybe it means that BW could live a little longer?
Next season will most likely be purely SC2. I doubt anything can change that.
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Stork is awesome, he's got the balls to stand up and say what he believes
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On May 23 2012 08:32 ppshchik wrote:
Stork is kind of like IdrA, they are both somewhat dicks but very sincere in voicing their opinions.
How the fuck is Stork like IdrA? Stork is the Commander in Chief, he speaks for troops. He has enough balls to speak up against Kespa. IdrA is just a raging noob behind a computer.
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Stork fighting, so much respect. Just liked Stork alot more than I did before.
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Would a massive strike be possible from all the players? That would certainly alarm Kespa to the point they would do something about it. The only question is, how many of the players are willing to go on a strike?
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The commander living up to his name.
STORK YOU ARE THE MOST AWESOME PROGAMER (next to Leta) EVER
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wqGrf.jpg)
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For those who feel like this "doesn't change anything," the issue has to be brought up before any change can implement. If everyone just tolls the company line(see Jaedong, Bisu interviews in the new section), then fans won't realize the problems many players go through. The whole Kespa ramming SC2 down gamers throats is disgusting, and they don't care about the damage they do.
So props to Stork for bringing the issue to light. At the very least, he manages to speak for countless B-teamers, practice partners that are royally getting screwed with the switch and could not get their feelings known.
On May 23 2012 08:32 ppshchik wrote:
Stork is kind of like IdrA, they are both somewhat dicks but very sincere in voicing their opinions.
This is the most god awful comparison between two progamers I have ever seen.
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Dino toss is so passionate!
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On May 23 2012 08:32 ppshchik wrote:
Stork is kind of like IdrA, they are both somewhat dicks but very sincere in voicing their opinions.
Stork is one of the most accomplished progamers with an extremely long and consistant career...and Idra kinda isn't. Also Stork isn't a dick.
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I love Stork and this is what a top gamer should do: speek up and not only think about their own fame.
On May 23 2012 08:32 ppshchik wrote:
Stork is kind of like IdrA, they are both somewhat dicks but very sincere in voicing their opinions.
Man thats soooo wrong! Thats like comparing White-Ra whit Idra.
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