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On May 26 2012 08:36 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:24 blubbdavid wrote:On May 26 2012 08:17 -stOpSKY- wrote:
"It might not matter to players who earn a lot of money but as a whole, if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at SC2, it is the end for them."
Ok? Then they can get a normal job or find something else they like doing for a career, just like every other person alive. Did they expect this game to live on forever and they would continue to play SC:BW professionally for the rest of their lives? lol You don't know what they sacrificed for BW, and how the Korean Education System works. And go read Bisu's interview by TL. He specifically mentioned that he was totally set to play Brood War until the appropriate retirement age.
In general sports players have trouble transitioning out of their career. This is the same whether you're talking about B-teamers in BW or multi-millionaires playing in the NBA. This is because their identity and existence was set at a very young age. Whereas most "normal" people go through the process of high school/college to find their calling in life. It's different when your career's set since age of 12, rather than starting to look for a job at 22.
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I totally love his "veteranish" look on his face. Stork deserves all the respect.
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On May 25 2012 16:42 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 06:52 ShatterZer0 wrote:On May 25 2012 06:48 firehand101 wrote:
He puts boxer in the highest regards, and i respect him for that Well Stork IS a name given to him by BoxeR. Not to mention the fact that before Stork had broken out into the high level scene BoxeR dubbed him the NEXT BIG THING. Generally people who've been named by/under the tutelage of BoxeR have turn out to be something of Demi-Gods. Stork was no different, makes sense he respects him so much. Sea was the one dubbed by Boxer to be the next big thing ;_;
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively).
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On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively).
Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea "
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On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea "
Iris and Midas disagree.
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On May 26 2012 08:17 -stOpSKY- wrote:
"It might not matter to players who earn a lot of money but as a whole, if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at SC2, it is the end for them."
Ok? Then they can get a normal job or find something else they like doing for a career, just like every other person alive. Did they expect this game to live on forever and they would continue to play SC:BW professionally for the rest of their lives? lol
very classy to talk like this to people who took on a job instead of getting an education before they were even 20. their options are severely limited by their entrance into progaming and kespa et al. have shown no interest in taking care of them
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On May 27 2012 09:00 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea " Iris and Midas disagree.
This. I can't see how Sea is "undeniably" the best terran to never win a title when you have players like freaking midas and iris!!!
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On May 27 2012 13:41 Essbee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 09:00 corumjhaelen wrote:On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea " Iris and Midas disagree. This. I can't see how Sea is "undeniably" the best terran to never win a title when you have players like freaking midas and iris!!!
TL.net's opinion of Sea has been quite biased ever since his TL Attack. So take any Sea fanboydom with a grain of salt. That said, Sea may be the greatest terran to not reach a SL finals. I think his only opponent in this regard is Leta.
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On May 27 2012 13:47 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:41 Essbee wrote:On May 27 2012 09:00 corumjhaelen wrote:On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea " Iris and Midas disagree. This. I can't see how Sea is "undeniably" the best terran to never win a title when you have players like freaking midas and iris!!! TL.net's opinion of Sea has been quite biased ever since his TL Attack. So take any Sea fanboydom with a grain of salt. That said, Sea may be the greatest terran to not reach a SL finals. I think his only opponent in this regard is Leta.
Well it depends what we're talking about here by greatest terran not to reach a SL finals. There are contenders for most skilled player ever like Leta, Sea, Really, Baby, or Light, then there are great team contributors like firebathero, Hiya, skyhigh, and Canata, or just tough presences like Midas, Iris, Hwasin. But if you are talking about respective to eras, it might be prudent to talk about ChRh or Themarine, and the entire aptness of this question of the best player never to win a title or get to a finals is brought into question by the fact that even Casy has a Starleague win. It's just kind of a nice thought that there's one player we can point to as sort of epitomizing the plight of people who never attain individual league glory but nonetheless have stuck with their team for the long haul and given it their best, and Sea is a cool guy so why not him?
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On May 27 2012 14:00 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 13:47 baubo wrote:On May 27 2012 13:41 Essbee wrote:On May 27 2012 09:00 corumjhaelen wrote:On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea " Iris and Midas disagree. This. I can't see how Sea is "undeniably" the best terran to never win a title when you have players like freaking midas and iris!!! TL.net's opinion of Sea has been quite biased ever since his TL Attack. So take any Sea fanboydom with a grain of salt. That said, Sea may be the greatest terran to not reach a SL finals. I think his only opponent in this regard is Leta. Well it depends what we're talking about here by greatest terran not to reach a SL finals. There are contenders for most skilled player ever like Leta, Sea, Really, Baby, or Light, then there are great team contributors like firebathero, Hiya, skyhigh, and Canata, or just tough presences like Midas, Iris, Hwasin. But if you are talking about respective to eras, it might be prudent to talk about ChRh or Themarine, and the entire aptness of this question of the best player never to win a title or get to a finals is brought into question by the fact that even Casy has a Starleague win. It's just kind of a nice thought that there's one player we can point to as sort of epitomizing the plight of people who never attain individual league glory but nonetheless have stuck with their team for the long haul and given it their best, and Sea is a cool guy so why not him?
Midas fits in all three categories.
I love Sea and all, he's a good player, it's undeniable. But seriously, Midas. Toe to toe with sAviOr, great innovator in TvP and TvZ, and lengthy carrier. Plus he's cute. Midas all the way.
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On May 27 2012 20:11 corumjhaelen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 14:00 oBlade wrote:On May 27 2012 13:47 baubo wrote:On May 27 2012 13:41 Essbee wrote:On May 27 2012 09:00 corumjhaelen wrote:On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea " Iris and Midas disagree. This. I can't see how Sea is "undeniably" the best terran to never win a title when you have players like freaking midas and iris!!! TL.net's opinion of Sea has been quite biased ever since his TL Attack. So take any Sea fanboydom with a grain of salt. That said, Sea may be the greatest terran to not reach a SL finals. I think his only opponent in this regard is Leta. Well it depends what we're talking about here by greatest terran not to reach a SL finals. There are contenders for most skilled player ever like Leta, Sea, Really, Baby, or Light, then there are great team contributors like firebathero, Hiya, skyhigh, and Canata, or just tough presences like Midas, Iris, Hwasin. But if you are talking about respective to eras, it might be prudent to talk about ChRh or Themarine, and the entire aptness of this question of the best player never to win a title or get to a finals is brought into question by the fact that even Casy has a Starleague win. It's just kind of a nice thought that there's one player we can point to as sort of epitomizing the plight of people who never attain individual league glory but nonetheless have stuck with their team for the long haul and given it their best, and Sea is a cool guy so why not him? Midas fits in all three categories. I love Sea and all, he's a good player, it's undeniable. But seriously, Midas. Toe to toe with sAviOr, great innovator in TvP and TvZ, and lengthy carrier. Plus he's cute. Midas all the way.
At least Midas has a WCG gold and an OSL bronze to show for it. Sea is 55%+ in all match ups even with his slump period taken into account, if you only count from his pre 2010 days he's 58%+ (and if you only consider his prime period, close to 60%) in all match ups with a 65% in TvP, even Midas who's an innovator in TvP only had comparable or lower to that record in his prime. Sea's not even made it to a Ro4, he should at least be the greatest terran not to reach a SL semi finals. Between different eras of fans he's either way over hyped or way under appreciated.
On May 27 2012 07:46 dark14cs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 07:20 miercat wrote:
Sea was a pretty big thing. Performed well in Proleague, but poorly in individual leages. Obviously one of the most skilled Terran users in history(Top 10 easily/conservatively). Sea is undeniably the best terran to never win a title. I also believe it's Bisu that gave him that name. Something along the lines of " Let's run away somewhere , to the Sea "
Nah it's boxer who said that
"Over the next two years, which terran, protoss, and zerg players will be the best?"
Boxer: "...and for Terran (and this is to encourage him to make more of an effort), Yum Bo-Sung ( Sea).
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Either way I don't see how a player's organization can kick off the grounds now since BW is nearing its transition, there's little incentive to form one though it should have been formed a long time ago, maybe a player's organization in SC2?
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Good on you Stork. But watch your back people with money hate unions consisting of the people they exploit.
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Finally someone who didn't cover up what they felt
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Am I the only one seeing a legend being angry and disappointed that the game he played for years, will now die? He has to learn a new game and he just doesn't like that. I understand him: he was one of the best players for years, and now he is a gold league player in a new game. Everyone in this position would react like this.
I hope I am not offending anyone.
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On May 28 2012 02:55 Snowbear wrote:
Am I the only one seeing a legend being angry and disappointed that the game he played for years, will now die? He has to learn a new game and he just doesn't like that. I understand him: he was one of the best players for years, and now he is a gold league player in a new game. Everyone in this position would react like this.
I hope I am not offending anyone.
I think you got that interview wrong, hes complaining about how Kespa handels the transition.
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I think I'm going to put Khan as my team symbol now, I am not a huge BW fan, I've watched for maybe a half year to a year now of Proleague, but this guy has said what has needed to be said since boxer left. Its time that we have some kind of a change in the system now that the system is changing.
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On May 28 2012 02:55 Snowbear wrote:
Am I the only one seeing a legend being angry and disappointed that the game he played for years, will now die? He has to learn a new game and he just doesn't like that. I understand him: he was one of the best players for years, and now he is a gold league player in a new game. Everyone in this position would react like this.
I hope I am not offending anyone.
I'm sure he is. TBLS are under a ton of stress, because the playing field has been reset, and everyone nevertheless expects them to dominate (witness Jaedong storming out of his booth after his PL game, and Flash's palpable irratation at not being picked as the Ace). They've also got a lot of drive to succeed, so they're likely frustrated with themselves, as well.
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Right or wrong I think Stork has been enormously brave. He has put his reputation on the line at a moment when he might be about to exit the public eye -or at least diminish in status- to say something he believes is important
That alone is worthy of respect.
I happen to believe that a players union could broaden the pool of professional Starcraft players as long as it was widely supported in Korea or the U.S. but that's up for debate.
I'm also a big fan of the moderation being done here. The BW vs. SC2 thing needs to die.
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Iris is easily the best Terran to have never won a title. Made it to 3 finals, 2 of them went to the 5th game. Also took savior to game 5 in the semis at Savior's prime.
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On May 28 2012 02:55 Snowbear wrote:
Am I the only one seeing a legend being angry and disappointed that the game he played for years, will now die? He has to learn a new game and he just doesn't like that. I understand him: he was one of the best players for years, and now he is a gold league player in a new game. Everyone in this position would react like this.
I hope I am not offending anyone.
I think you're off-base here. Stork, more than any othe BW player, relied on pure talent and is known for playing other games on the side instead of practicing BW 20 hours a day.
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