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hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
November 09 2005 04:24 GMT
#41
That's not important since skill is a direct product of apm, and the relation between the two are proportional. Someone shold tell this guy that his apm is like -really- low. Like. OMFG that's low!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-09 04:28:07
November 09 2005 04:26 GMT
#42
On November 09 2005 13:06 greatmeh wrote:
i think it depends what u saying when u say apm, hotkey spam, or the real stuff?

i talk all those thing and MORE

On November 09 2005 13:24 hefty wrote:
That's not important since skill is a direct product of apm, and the relation between the two are proportional. Someone shold tell this guy that his apm is like -really- low. Like. OMFG that's low!

you talk big words to make up for low apm, it clear.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
hefty
Profile Joined January 2005
Denmark555 Posts
November 09 2005 04:34 GMT
#43
OMG Hot_Bid you have so high apm!

High apm >>>> omniscient
SwedishHero
Profile Joined April 2005
Sweden869 Posts
November 09 2005 04:35 GMT
#44
my apm is 120, had I had 160-200 I would of bin pro long time ago
Italiano??...no...no italiano?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 09 2005 04:37 GMT
#45
On November 09 2005 13:34 hefty wrote:
OMG Hot_Bid you have so high apm!

High apm >>>> omniscient

u have so high apm u compare noun with adj haha

apm > red!!! see how stupid it look?

On November 09 2005 13:35 SwedishHero wrote:
my apm is 120, had I had 160-200 I would of bin pro long time ago

i bin laiden by u terrorist mom last night
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
November 09 2005 04:50 GMT
#46
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DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
November 09 2005 04:50 GMT
#47
On November 09 2005 10:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
apm means nothing omg apm does not equal speed nobody needs more than 130 apm omg bigballs travis beat nada and themarine on wgt and someone i know who has 80 apm will own you all apm means nothing (though i have 250 apm, sometimes 200) just look at fisheye too hes so good with low apm


why the hell does some idiot always have to say EVERY TIME Someone mentions apm, how worthless it is. Thats the sign of someone that sux IMO.
Cuz it does matter, except in rare cases =P. But those cases are always people that are quite fast, just dont nullclick + are very efficient with mulitasking
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
November 09 2005 04:51 GMT
#48
On November 09 2005 10:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
stfu fisheye is good BECAUSE he don't not have 200 apm he beat ogogogogogo but didn't play the third game seriously if ogogogogogogogogo had 100 apm like fisheye he'd be in stargroup right now beating boxer and nal_na and we know anyway korean always just 12123123123zds123123 high apm don't does key what say he do OMG TT -_-


omg u have no idea what your talking about rofl
azndng
Profile Joined July 2004
United States344 Posts
November 09 2005 04:52 GMT
#49
i assume he's joking about the apm thing, but are you really joking about your broken english? cause that shit is hard to read...

and 180 apm here. so no small cock =)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-09 05:01:38
November 09 2005 05:00 GMT
#50
On November 09 2005 13:50 DooMeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2005 10:35 Hot_Bid wrote:
apm means nothing omg apm does not equal speed nobody needs more than 130 apm omg bigballs travis beat nada and themarine on wgt and someone i know who has 80 apm will own you all apm means nothing (though i have 250 apm, sometimes 200) just look at fisheye too hes so good with low apm

why the hell does some idiot always have to say EVERY TIME Someone mentions apm, how worthless it is. Thats the sign of someone that sux IMO.
Cuz it does matter, except in rare cases =P. But those cases are always people that are quite fast, just dont nullclick + are very efficient with mulitasking

it not rare that apm not matter... it rare that u matter. u have low apm, it clear.

On November 09 2005 13:51 DooMeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2005 10:52 Hot_Bid wrote:
stfu fisheye is good BECAUSE he don't not have 200 apm he beat ogogogogogo but didn't play the third game seriously if ogogogogogogogogo had 100 apm like fisheye he'd be in stargroup right now beating boxer and nal_na and we know anyway korean always just 12123123123zds123123 high apm don't does key what say he do OMG TT -_-

omg u have no idea what your talking about rofl

i no u bc i no understand low apm.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 09 2005 05:00 GMT
#51
On November 09 2005 13:52 azndng wrote:
i assume he's joking about the apm thing, but are you really joking about your broken english? cause that shit is hard to read...

and 180 apm here. so no small cock =)

if u name "dng" u sure no small cock.. but..
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mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
November 09 2005 05:03 GMT
#52
i've actually seen xellos play and i'm faster than him with 80 apm, he is just spammy. yet he wins more because of thee strategies. thats all. the rest is for show, to impress the crowd or something. i think they actually just video tape them doing hand tricks and pretend they do it during the game for ratings

Feuerbach out
express yourself--madonna
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 09 2005 05:05 GMT
#53
wink beat xellos wink only 100 apm --; apm no matter.
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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6786 Posts
November 09 2005 05:09 GMT
#54
now I know hot_bid's a genius

But mitsy's post sure as hell put me in doubt
Graphics
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
November 09 2005 05:16 GMT
#55
There are plenty of foreigners, with less than 200 apm, which are still faster than plenty of people with 400+ apm, if you know what i mean.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 09 2005 05:18 GMT
#56
On November 09 2005 14:16 BCloud wrote:
There are plenty of foreigners, with less than 200 apm, which are still faster than plenty of people with 400+ apm, if you know what i mean.

this guy mexica but he still smart, in maths 400>200, but not apm!
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mitsy
Profile Joined October 2005
United States1792 Posts
November 09 2005 05:24 GMT
#57
if you view individual actions per minute (moves per minute, attack per minute), etc. you can see the difference between spammy and skill. spammy have decent to high hotkey per minute and/or move per minute (or sometimes excessive rally per minute) but during a fight their apm slows down and their other actions per minute are NOT as decent to high at all, but usually are low to decent, if you see what i mean. use bwchart and view the action dispersal without percentage to see what i mean. it depends on the matchup and length of the game and even the openers sometimes, but looking at raw apm doesn't show you much. good players do specific things clearly well, and this doesn't necessitate a high apm. clearly if nada took his hands away from his keyboard and mouse whenever possible for some parts of the game he'd still be nada even though his apm might even fall below (gasp) 200.

be more critical of apm ... it's the sum of many things, many things that probably are not of equal value at any number. a 300 apm can be better than some 400 apm ... not to mention strategy, remember, that other aspect of this game?
express yourself--madonna
game.no
Profile Joined July 2005
Norway445 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-11-09 05:27:47
November 09 2005 05:26 GMT
#58
On November 09 2005 14:03 mitsy wrote:
i've actually seen xellos play and i'm faster than him with 80 apm, he is just spammy. yet he wins more because of thee strategies. thats all. the rest is for show, to impress the crowd or something. i think they actually just video tape them doing hand tricks and pretend they do it during the game for ratings

Feuerbach out


lemme guess, you, while watching his replay, said to yourself "I can do that. see? i'm over here doing this (pretends like you're play Xellos terran) while he hasn't moved his scv there yet" lol try watching it with BWTV, then you'll notice truly how fast he is and how he does 3 actions at once in 2 different areas of the map.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
November 09 2005 05:29 GMT
#59
Sarcasm is a lost art to many pplz--;

anyways, gold hot_bid.

me play you sex 20 apm gg nore.
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 09 2005 05:31 GMT
#60
On November 09 2005 14:26 game.no wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2005 14:03 mitsy wrote:
...

lemme guess, you, while watching his replay, said to yourself "I can do that. see? i'm over here doing this (pretends like you're play Xellos terran) while he hasn't moved his scv there yet" lol try watching it with BWTV, then you'll notice truly how fast he is and how he does 3 actions at once in 2 different areas of the map.

u have so low apm u dont play only watch pro on tv and become many apm? 3 action in 2 area of map mean 1.5 action in area, no split action so u post stupid; maybe u be smarter if u higher apm no?
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