I liked it better in the days where there always two sets and it went into a super ace if tied up. At least then, you could reliably book a place for 2 days for the finals.
OMG thank god, personally i dont care about "oh its favours KT, they gonna win blabla" its MORE games omg and great setup ups for games, titians vs titians omg epic i loved the ace match for this reason. GO SKT gotta win the finals this time, we let u kt kids have your fun but seriouly its time to show what the grown ups can do =P ^^ yay Play offs w00t!
ace matches will be harder for flash. kt has basically no choice but to send him out, with stats not looking quite as solid as he was earlier in the season. because of that teams can specifically prepare matchup/map against flash and try and snipe him, rather than him getting random matchups
On March 09 2012 17:45 Kiante wrote: ace matches will be harder for flash. kt has basically no choice but to send him out, with stats not looking quite as solid as he was earlier in the season. because of that teams can specifically prepare matchup/map against flash and try and snipe him, rather than him getting random matchups
I would post a meme, but I would get banned and the Flash meme thread would get closed.
At this point, Flash is so far above any other player, I don't think a sniper would even phase him. Back in the Ace match days, he was sent out every game and he still won pretty much all the time.
On March 09 2012 18:05 iLoveKT wrote: I miss perfective.
Yeah, and Perfectman isn't clutch enough to take his place .
Finally, some ace matches. I miss seeing matches coming down to epic games between the teams' best players. Just imagine 3 very crucial and tense Fantasy vs Stork games within a week :D.
Edit: I'm still waiting for the maps though *crosses fingers for 2 Sniper Ridges*.
On March 09 2012 18:05 iLoveKT wrote: I miss perfective.
Yeah, and Perfectman isn't clutch enough to take his place .
Finally, some ace matches. I miss seeing matches coming down to epic games between the teams' best players. Just imagine 3 very crucial and tense Fantasy vs Stork games within a week :D.
I'm betting sniping will happen, and an s2 vs Stork or Fantasy vs RorO scenario will emerge. In any case, I'd rather see where teams end up before putting in my final judgment.
This is the format that should be used all year long in PL, it just doesn't make fucking sense to not have OSL (until may), MBC gone and damned bo5.KeSPA destroyed this season with their bullshit format and now finally bring it back for play-offs. Yes, I am angry at them, but better late than never, I guess
On March 09 2012 17:45 Kiante wrote: ace matches will be harder for flash. kt has basically no choice but to send him out, with stats not looking quite as solid as he was earlier in the season. because of that teams can specifically prepare matchup/map against flash and try and snipe him, rather than him getting random matchups
But remember during the last season's play-offs, KT won all of their matches without reaching the 7th game, and the one time they have to play an ace match(against Stars), they lost. Ace matches are still a problem for KT as much as it were last season, but we won't need it anyway(hopefully, damn perfective T_T).
On March 09 2012 22:10 sinistral wrote: I like how confident KT fans show for the ACE 7th set.
Meaning they don't expect any 4th guy to win the game for them without going ACE.
Than I would be an exception, Because what matter's is kt is to do well under all circumstances and to build up their players despite our zerg line is failing us these time and our protoss line goes stronger with the addition of wooki and with great leadership of Stats . Regardless of the situation I can't change the future because it's undefined and anything can happen but what I can do is hope for the best and as a kt fan I will do that .
I say bring it on, KT has gone through much tougher times and obstacles than this .
... do you guys realize how long bo7 for 2 consecutive matches would be? It's precisely because MBC shut down that it's bo5. There's only one match per day in playoffs, that's why they can do this.
On March 10 2012 00:30 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Feels a bit silly to go from Bo3 to Bo1 for the Finals. W/e, at least Bo7 is back for the epci drama and games!! GOGOGO SKT
Actually Bo1 for finals is much better than Bo3 because it would suck other team losing 0-2. Fans would be staying home and wait series to be 1-1 before attending finals.
On March 10 2012 02:54 bearbuddy wrote: ... do you guys realize how long bo7 for 2 consecutive matches would be? It's precisely because MBC shut down that it's bo5. There's only one match per day in playoffs, that's why they can do this.
yeah but i think its too much to ask the teams to play 1 match every week.
if we changed it to 1 match every 2 weeks.
and if you look at # of games = 2 bo5s = 6-10 games. 1 bo7 = 4-7 games. its comparable! especially with TvT
fuck damn if t8 could have made playoffs... well... if they could get to the ace match they woulda done well lol EDIT: Big question - how many ace matches will Flash lose?
I'm assuming that the weekend matches will be on around the same time that the PL matches have been lately? (During Korean Day and not at night I think it is) If so, BOOOO YEAAHHH
Bo5 No Ace: Mission accomplished - Jaedong terminated. Now revert, KT Flash back in business! Hokay, I'm trolling a little bit, KT showed great results even without Flash, and Jaedong wouldn't have saved T8 anyway, especially with his play this season.
On March 10 2012 12:08 supernovamaniac wrote: For those who don't know: The team who goes directly for the finals can pick which map becomes 1st set, which will also become the 7th (ACE) set.
So whoever goes to finals directly will have huge advantage.
Sounds pretty one sided in my opinion and not fair for the other team.
Am I the only one who hates Ace match system? everybody is so excited about.... that makes proleague almost into individual event. I don't want to watch how great Flah is and carry his team most of the time. I wana watch team league , individual - OSL. Then will watch jaedong, bisu, flash , jangbi, stork and the others clashing against each other.
On March 10 2012 12:08 supernovamaniac wrote: For those who don't know: The team who goes directly for the finals can pick which map becomes 1st set, which will also become the 7th (ACE) set.
So whoever goes to finals directly will have huge advantage.
Sounds pretty one sided in my opinion and not fair for the other team.
If it gets to KT vs SKT again, it really doesn't matter, all the PvT favored maps Flash has won in. Not to mention outside of Fantasy, noone in SKT can vT anymore. So any advantage they do get is going to be pretty small.
On March 10 2012 12:08 supernovamaniac wrote: For those who don't know: The team who goes directly for the finals can pick which map becomes 1st set, which will also become the 7th (ACE) set.
So whoever goes to finals directly will have huge advantage.
Sounds pretty one sided in my opinion and not fair for the other team.
If it gets to KT vs SKT again, it really doesn't matter, all the PvT favored maps Flash has won in. Not to mention outside of Fantasy, noone in SKT can vT anymore. So any advantage they do get is going to be pretty small.
Flash has also never ever played a game on either Outlier or Chain Reaction. You don't know how he'll do on either of those maps.
On March 10 2012 12:08 supernovamaniac wrote: For those who don't know: The team who goes directly for the finals can pick which map becomes 1st set, which will also become the 7th (ACE) set.
So whoever goes to finals directly will have huge advantage.
Sounds pretty one sided in my opinion and not fair for the other team.
If it gets to KT vs SKT again, it really doesn't matter, all the PvT favored maps Flash has won in. Not to mention outside of Fantasy, noone in SKT can vT anymore. So any advantage they do get is going to be pretty small.
Flash has also never ever played a game on either Outlier or Chain Reaction. You don't know how he'll do on either of those maps.
Not to mention that he beat jaehoon on electric circuit, which is nothing compared to bisu or best. I think it's a big advantage for skt, and they'll either pick chain reaction for bisu to do some shenanigans on, or out lier for best to do what best does best.
edit: recent events make this even more of a plausible statement
On March 10 2012 12:08 supernovamaniac wrote: For those who don't know: The team who goes directly for the finals can pick which map becomes 1st set, which will also become the 7th (ACE) set.
So whoever goes to finals directly will have huge advantage.
They should have just let each team veto a map for the ace and randomly pick one of the remaining ones. A lot less biased that way.
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I don't know. I think the determining factor here is key integration, utilization and timing of their incorportation of the destructible rocks into their builds. Purely hypothetically speaking from an objectively abstract perspective, if KT can take down the alpha and beta DRX's (Destructible Rox) to roughly 33% before 6:32 on any 256x256 map, they can lock down gamma and omega DRX's at their leisure with no loss to their air support or calvary detectments. Of course this means a nearly 28% increase in favorability of a 47% increase in victory for KT over 70% of teams played.
Also, marines need to go left before their go right or they will get bamboozled by effective deployments of counter infantry units by the opposing side.
I hope this has contributed signifcantly to you understanding of this important situation in a positive yet firm way.
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I don't know. I think the determining factor here is key integration, utilization and timing of their incorportation of the destructible rocks into their builds. Purely hypothetically speaking from an objectively abstract perspective, if KT can take down the alpha and beta DRX's (Destructible Rox) to roughly 33% before 6:32 on any 256x256 map, they can lock down gamma and omega DRX's at their leisure with no loss to their air support or calvary detectments. Of course this means a nearly 28% increase in favorability of a 47% increase in victory for KT over 70% of teams played.
Also, marines need to go left before their go right or they will get bamboozled by effective deployments of counter infantry units by the opposing side.
I hope this has contributed signifcantly to you understanding of this important situation in a positive yet firm way.
lol, Flash already understands this as such human calculations are trivial
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
Giving crazy-hydra performance this year (8-2 overall and in a 7 game winning streak only losing to Leta and the master PvZer Best xD) KT should be a little more confident having a third reliable player?
Also in the Khan's winners interview vs Stars, they said the same about picking maps,
Q: Which team would you like to make it to the semis?
Stork = We get to choose the 1st and 7th set map, so that's good. What's more important than which team we meet is which players we face, but... Woongjin is always quite strong against us, so it would be nice if KT could make it.
This guy here explained it
It's whoever is higher in the ranking who gets to pick Day 1 and 3 maps for Ace, lower ranking gets Day 2 Ace choice. So SKT gets to pick for their sole Bo7 the Ace map (which is also Map 1 as well) while Khan gets to pick the Ace map for Day 1 and 3 for the team that will win the KT vs CJ/Stars quarterfinals, who will have KT choosing their Day 1/3 maps as well.
I just realized something. The ace match is a really........ REALLY good way to snipe Flash. Lots of preparations can be done and a prepared player can beat Flash.
I don't know why KT is pleased with this. Unless KT coach becomes unpredictable and send an Anti-Sniper.
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I am mostly a Flash Anti-fan but Flash can play in any map as long as he is able to practice with it and come up with good/safe builds. And hope that he doesn't get cocky.
On March 13 2012 00:01 J1.au wrote: Getting to pick the 7th map is such a joke. Not happy with that rule at all.
Oh I see this coming, KT loses in set 7 and everyone is blaming the rule
But honestly I don't think this rule puts a huge disadvantage on KT, besides of Flash is crushing anyone on any map (yea I know he lost two games), this new rule helps him to border the choice of opponents, so he can prepare better.
Hopefully KT does not manage to make it to the finals, I do not hate them at all, but I don't want to see a SKT vs KT final again. I was hoping to see SKT vs KT on first play off day, so what. Can't wait to 17th of March.
The ability to pick the ace map is stupid. Both Chain Reaction and Outlier are completely unplayable for TvP. KHAN and SKT1, teams with protoss aces, are obviously going to choose these maps. We'll be seeing anticlimactic PvP mirrors for the ace match instead of a TvP on a more balanced map. With the season on the line, do you really want to watch Stats playing a PvP?
Funny how the Proleague format, the absence of Winners League and the playoff format all need to be made with one certain player in mind. The format is pretty much conspired to ensure KTFlash doesn't win for the third time in a row.
On March 13 2012 01:54 salito wrote: The ability to pick the ace map is stupid. Both Chain Reaction and Outlier are completely unplayable for TvP. KHAN and SKT1, teams with protoss aces, are obviously going to choose these maps. We'll be seeing anticlimactic PvP mirrors for the ace match instead of a TvP on a more balanced map. With the season on the line, do you really want to watch Stats playing a PvP?
Funny how the Proleague format, the absence of Winners League and the playoff format all need to be made with one certain player in mind. The format is pretty much conspired to ensure KTFlash doesn't win for the third time in a row.
I doubt that rule is new, sounds like it always has been there. I have no idea thought.
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote: I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others 2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win 3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon 4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote: I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others 2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win 3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon 4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made?
Ok, let me break it down:
KT vs SKT1
KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu) KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun) However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2)
What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)
Bo7 with ace match cannot help KT and probably hurts them ... not sure why people think otherwise. bo5 without ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to win bo7 with ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to be able to play Flash (which is somewhat a guaranteed win but this means that bo5 without ace match and bo7 with ace match are at best equivalent for KT)
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote: Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote: Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now.
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote: Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now.
Rofl, I'm living in Shanghai and was so disappointed not to see the finals last season... I've just booked my flight to Busan, they'd better not try to make it happen in Shanghai again :|
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote: I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others 2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win 3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon 4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made?
Ok, let me break it down:
KT vs SKT1
KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu) KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun) However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2)
What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)
I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3)
To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess". Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats. Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs.
What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz.
If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote: ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6.
I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote: I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others 2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win 3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon 4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made?
Ok, let me break it down:
KT vs SKT1
KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu) KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun) However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2)
What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)
I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3)
To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess". Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats. Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs.
What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz.
If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.
Stats and Flash both have a winning record over Bisu and Fantasy, Crazy-hydra has the best % record of the proleague
What will decide the finals is not wether stats bisu flash and fantasy will perform, they will be at their best as they allways have they are THAT kind of players and historically those 4 have allways played their best in playoffs (even when stats was 0-2'd by bogus last playoff). What, however, is interesting is: Do, Action, Sun, Hoejja, Best, Crazy-hydra, Mind and Soo perform to their best? All players have the potential to be awesome, factors like Does action dodge SKT zergs? Does Crazy-hydra keep up his form? Does Soo get a protoss? Does Best go into a form where he can hope to threaten flash again? I could keep going on.
And Stats is as relieable of a ACE on outlier as Bisu is, mind you.
EPT
just what I wanted !
