EPTedit: LOL why would it be an SC2 OSL?? That is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. They will call it something else if it's an SC2 tournament. OSC2L at the worst, but definitely it would be a suicidal move to taunt their fans like this, when the article is clearly aimed at BW fans who have been missing individual leagues, not SC2 fans who have at least a couple hundred individual leagues to watch a day. How ridiculous.
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Chef
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edit: LOL why would it be an SC2 OSL?? That is the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. They will call it something else if it's an SC2 tournament. OSC2L at the worst, but definitely it would be a suicidal move to taunt their fans like this, when the article is clearly aimed at BW fans who have been missing individual leagues, not SC2 fans who have at least a couple hundred individual leagues to watch a day. How ridiculous. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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i saw boxer documentary using window 98. imo this not mean nothing. u think ogn use the same devices from 2001 ? they are tv channel. they need the best devices. same in proteams | ||
Milkis
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On March 03 2012 01:17 SlowBullets wrote: seriously, get the fuck out. instead of keep saying stupid shit like "BW is dying" or "it's not going to be a BW OSL" why don't you actually post some hard evidence? you keep doing this and without proof you're just being annoying/a downer. You have to realize that 1) there is no such thing as "hard evidence" in esports in saying what will happen in the future until it actually happens. 2) there are still quite a bit of uncertainty regarding how it's going to happen because it depends on how Gom/KeSPA negotiations go. And 3) no matter what I say, you guys will claim that "I have no source" because I'm sure not going to name my sources and there's "not much" on Fomos/DES/whatever. I'll write up what I know later on. Oh and to respond to this On March 03 2012 01:34 Pelopidas wrote: Milkis doesn't actually know anything. The last time he explained he said he was out of the scene for a while but if you just look at the signs, you can tell that the switch is coming (Stuff like 2 part proleague, cheesy games, players slumping, sloppy play, and no OSL). He also said you should believe his speculation because he is used important and such. You can claim that. When I made that post, that was the case. I did quite a bit of research after that. But you can claim that "I don't know anything", sure. You can always claim that. You also have to realize that all I can show you *are* the signs because again, this is a rather critical moment for the entire scene right now because it literally depends on Gom/KeSPA dynamic. I never said "you should believe me" in any sort of way. All I've said is to be a bit more critical when you read things because things don't get posted to Fomos and DES for no reason. There's a lot of PR that covers up what actually happens. Just take any "official" statements or quotes that get posted on those sites with a grain of salt because that's their job to keep the populace at bay. Sorry if it's "depressing" and if I've been "irritating" or "smug" or whatever. eSports isn't a pretty business and it can turn a lot of people bitter  | ||
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supernovamaniac
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On March 03 2012 02:01 Milkis wrote: You have to realize that 1) there is no such thing as "hard evidence" in esports in saying what will happen in the future until it actually happens. 2) there are still quite a bit of uncertainty regarding how it's going to happen because it depends on how Gom/KeSPA negotiations go. And 3) no matter what I say, you guys will claim that "I have no source" because I'm sure not going to name my sources and there's "not much" on Fomos/DES/whatever. ... I never said "you should believe me" in any sort of way. All I've said is to be a bit more critical when you read things because things don't get posted to Fomos and DES for no reason. There's a lot of PR that covers up what actually happens. Just take any "official" statements or quotes that get posted on those sites with a grain of salt because that's their job to keep the populace at bay. Agreed. Often, sites and other places will release good PR about proleague and whatnot to raise attention (remember the "OSL will begin soon, two possible sponsors interested" news?). Sometimes they might be forged, other times they'll just drop hints about how good eSports is doing, but not how bad the scene is doing, or what is actually happening behind the scenes. | ||
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Wohmfg
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All this post does is annoy people... It doesn't inform, it just spreads negativity. I'd rather you posted something much more well thought out, whether us BW fans think that what you have to say is good or bad. | ||
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Darksoldierr
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On March 03 2012 00:10 StarStruck wrote: You don't need flashy graphics to make a good game. -_- Lots of people are rediscovering BW or discovering it for the first time due to SC2. They want to see what's up and if you read some of their responses you might be pleasantly surprised. Yes, we know how game reviewers tend to focus on all the fluff including graphics, so if you want to listen to them by all means go right ahead. Gameplay is what makes or breaks it for me. That's just me and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone. But thats a problem itself, not many ppl plays SC2 and even less tries out BW, it just, BW cant grow at all outside of Korea, SC2 did push it up a bit but not worth giving money to it, and if its starts to wither down in Korea aswell, then at one point, LoL or other fancy new free to play game gonna take over. | ||
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Milkis
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On March 03 2012 02:08 supernovamaniac wrote: Agreed. Often, sites and other places will release good PR about proleague and whatnot to raise attention (remember the "OSL will begin soon, two possible sponsors interested" news?). Sometimes they might be forged, other times they'll just drop hints about how good eSports is doing, but not how bad the scene is doing, or what is actually happening behind the scenes. the funny thing is that nearly all of the "according to insider" news pieces has been accurate in the KR scene (that is, I was able to verify them) but nearly all of the official PR pieces have been bullshit or people were actually not allowed to talk about it. The more you know... | ||
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corumjhaelen
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This being said, I also would prefer if he dropped the one liner snide remark. Either give us more information that we don't know, or don't say anything if you think it's the better thing to do. With this attitude, you're only making things worse, not opening anyone eyes and aggravating the smugness you're denoucing. The thing is, like it or not, when you say something, it is not perceived the same as when any other random user says something, if only because you have a shiny new icon. I wouldn't like to be in your place, but yeah, this is it. As for not revealing your sources, I'm ok with it, but you'll have to at least say something like "esport journalist insider" or "a memeber of a progammimg team" or something if you want to have any credibility. Or you might as well quote me as your source... All that even if personnally I tend tyo belive you. I'll end up with saying how disgusting pr in esport is, it's not even funny. | ||
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supernovamaniac
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On March 03 2012 02:11 Milkis wrote: the funny thing is that nearly all of the "according to insider" news pieces has been accurate in the KR scene (that is, I was able to verify them) but nearly all of the official PR pieces have been bullshit or people were actually not allowed to talk about it. The more you know... A.K.A. 카더라통신? I remember seeing a post about BW/SC2 integration. At first I laughed at it, but now I look at it, it's getting slightly more realistic. Then again, there have been crazy speculations in the past that turned out to be completely true, so you never know =P | ||
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Milkis
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On March 03 2012 02:14 supernovamaniac wrote: A.K.A. 카더라통신? I remember seeing a post about BW/SC2 integration. At first I laughed at it, but now I look at it, it's getting slightly more realistic. Then again, there have been crazy speculations in the past that turned out to be completely true, so you never know =P dunno about that. i haven't read netizen shit in a while if that's what you're referring to so i can't comment. but a lot of netizen stuff are pretty fantastical, like the latest one on Fomos has a lot of bullshit elements in it. if you're wondering which press i was referring to i was mostly referring to OSEN | ||
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Chef
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On March 03 2012 02:08 supernovamaniac wrote: Agreed. Often, sites and other places will release good PR about proleague and whatnot to raise attention (remember the "OSL will begin soon, two possible sponsors interested" news?). Sometimes they might be forged, other times they'll just drop hints about how good eSports is doing, but not how bad the scene is doing, or what is actually happening behind the scenes. Well, we can all see that. The article isn't all cloaked in mystery, it admits having trouble finding sponsors for its usual prize pool. From this a skeptical fan can say 'maybe it won't be May' and 'maybe it won't happen at all' but saying it will be SC2 is just weird and dumb. Yeah, we already know that GOM and KeSPA have been sort of talking a little, but this article was definitely about the future of BW OSL. Whether SC2 gets broadcast on OGN's channel or not is a totally different matter, not more threatening than LOL being broadcast on OGN, or SF, or Kart Rider (ok maybe a little more threatening than Kart Rider  ).If there's an SC2 tournament and you go 'I told you so!' it's gonna sound dumb, cause this is obviously not about SC2. Does SC2 even have a chance at being successful on television? Surely GSL could have gone this route already if they'd tried? God, just thinking about the nightmare of trying to get vods if GOM had a stake in OGN... They probably wouldn't let them upload it to youtube at all. "No you'll ruin our PPV international sales!" Hahaha... Well, time will tell but if Milkis' next post isn't insightful (why is he not willing to share sources -.-) I think he deserves a BW forum ban. It's very easy for a man to pretend he knows something which he doesn't. | ||
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Milkis
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Yeah, we already know that GOM and KeSPA have been sort of talking a little, but this article was definitely about the future of BW OSL. No, it isn't. It's about the brandname "Starleague". If there's an SC2 tournament and you go 'I told you so!' it's gonna sound dumb, cause this is obviously not about SC2. Does SC2 even have a chance at being successful on television? Surely GSL could have gone this route already if they'd tried? They did try, it's on Anibox. It doesn't get great ratings though. God, just thinking about the nightmare of trying to get vods if GOM had a stake in OGN... Thankfully this isn't very likely. This is actually kind of amusing actually cause technically CJ has stakes in Gretech and OGN. It's very easy for a man to pretend he knows something which he doesn't. Do you really think I'd make all of this up? | ||
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supernovamaniac
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On March 03 2012 02:15 Milkis wrote: dunno about that. i haven't read netizen shit in a while if that's what you're referring to so i can't comment. but a lot of netizen stuff are pretty fantastical, like the latest one on Fomos has a lot of bullshit elements in it. if you're wondering which press i was referring to i was mostly referring to OSEN Ahh I thought you were going deeper into the netizen shits that sometimes become true, but yeah some of them are too bullshit so people can easily call out on it, others are sometimes believable but should be taken with a grain of salt. Though there have been few afaik that actually became true, so I end up reading everything and try to have an open mind about it. But yes, OSEN is pretty damn accurate for some reason. | ||
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