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2011 in review [Broodwar Edition]

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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 04:02:01
January 01 2012 14:04 GMT
#1


Long live the continuing dominance of broodwar ( Dune 2000 reference of course )

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Welcome to my 2011 in review , basically I have time on my hand and decided to write up maybe a 50% coverage of what happen in 2011 , major events and disheartening sad events .Though not everything is really that bad to say .To be truthful , when I noticed there was a 2011 in review of sc2 , I was jealous to the core and I thought to my self ? Hey if the teamliquid team is busy with their work , maybe I could do one for broodwar and so here it begins .


Teams Disbanding

The year 2011 hasn't been kind to bw at all , not at all , three major teams being disbanded because sponsors in their execution thought of other means of delivering their product to the targeted audience and using bw to deliver that promotion has been costly . It's really speculative and it can be other reason's the company may pull out of the broodwar scene but on what basis their true motives was for disbanding ? We probably will never know .

Financing a pro gaming team especially a starcraft team requires lots of money investment and than relying on this system to provide exposure of their brand to consumers is quite risky .Although team's which are famous and that are doing well , relating pro gamers with the brand may automatically aligned spectators and fan's to buy their product ( I know I am one of them ) . Sadly this isn't happening for teams as seen below .

As there were not performing as much as much as team's like Skt1,Samsung Khan and KT rolster . This three teams were performing really badly even in the stx tournament cup because of the rumours of the team disbanding and it's really sad to hear about them going through this kind of phase and asked to perform well . When they know , there is possibilities that this is their last time they are playing this game .


Three major casualties have affected broodwar scene as we know , MBC game removal,Wemade Fox and Hwazeung Oz . In the memory of

WemadeFox

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Hwazeung Oz


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MBC Game Hero

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Team's disbanding has always been part of broodwar , although it has never hit bw scene as hard as this one did, Wemade fox once the home of legendary player Nada now longer exist as a place to honour his victory,Hwazeung Oz once a major team full with talent, MBC game which holds some of the most interesting players ranging from Saint , Shark,Hyun, home to former god of war July and previously Bisu .

Disbanding this team's only means one thing , it created a domino effect to the remaining players , since young rookies and older players such as Midas,Anytime,Hiya,Ruby who are all famous players which carried their teams to victory . Having no place to go to, to seek refuge and comfort with their former team mates .

Anytime the protoss hero who shape up his team protoss line had to hand in the resignation form , despite him having a significant's to the bw scene . Paying his salary isn't worthy because of the history he is carrying , this also applies to Midas who was still performing well in individual leagues and proleague , Hiya who also was a A teamer decided to follow the same step and call it quits and even Ruby .

Remaining teams who have their own players to care for , could not receive the influx of players from other teams , this also means young fresh blood who are aspiring to be next bisu's , flash and jaedong had their dreams shattered , because of this sudden removal of their teams . Some quitted from the scene ,Some were lucky to get a chance to play again and found a home in other teams , Some still stream in afreeca , Over all most of them gave up their pro gaming career .





Formation of Team 8


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Kespa being the parent which spawned this franchise and brand , Of course could not allow of the talented players from this disbanded team to go to the waste . Taking what they can to salvage the remaining players from the three disbanding teams , Kespa taking in to consideration of the coaches that were available, decided that Coach Joo , Coach han are the best choice to be supervising this dream team .

Rising from the ashes of Hwazeung Oz , was (Z)Jaedong the tyrant , (Z)Killer a promising young zerg, From the sudden disbandment of MBC Game hero , Were no stranger to anyone , is (T)Sea, (P)Tyson and (P)Jaehoon who were performing well in their proleague games , Also (T)BaBy from Wemadefox a young and talented terran player and Ryul , (Z)Sang were recruited in to the team .

Also being nick name the dream team by many fans , despite them being called the dream team currently they are sitting in a tight position being rank no 8 on kespa ranking because of not being able to seal the deal when situation calls for such action to do so . Though it may sound really negative in perspective to call them a hype team , they do have the talent at hand , all players that are recruited in to this team are no scrubs .

With that I wish Team 8 , all the best in their endeavours and I hope they will find a sponsor to bring them the much needed comfort and monetary compensation they all really deserve.






MBC game turn into a Music Channel

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Mbc game channel has been a prominent channel for starcraft and all esport related games not only it had the best commentator in my opinion , It hosted more than many individual tournaments which created legends of the game ranging from Boxer,Iloveoov ,Savior ,Bisu ,Flash, Stork, Jaedong and many more . It's definitely a individual league which has a lot of prestige to it . From a personal point of view , I held the msl as a much more prestigious tournament than the OSL , It had a great entertaining group selection which includes having players doing silly stuff and cool ceremonies like Firebathero and even to a Drunken Hyun .

To think that all of this memories , will never be relived again due to mbc game changing it's direction to a music channel in the name of kpop for monetary purposes . Broke my heart in to pieces and most importantly , I will never be able to enjoy another commentary of msl best trio of commentators ever again because of this changes . Made this a sad parting , that I wish never happen in 2011 .

With mbc game no longer being a secondary competitor , OGN no longer has any opposition to compete against it's channel .Possibly OGN will benefit from the retirement of mbc game from the gaming scene but to us fan's , the lack of more games to watch and individual leagues to scream about . Has left us broodwar fan's asking for MORE.......



I want more of this please OGN -_-






Thank you Msl for the memories
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OGN hire's former Msl commentator

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At first with the recent news that has fallen upon us that msl is no longer to be existent and mbc game are to be changed into a music channel . Is definitely a bad new's to the bw scene and it's seem to be that way until this new's was released by fomos that ogn actually is hiring former msl commentators to commentate their games .

This was indeed a very commendable move by ogn for hiring this talented commentators and as evident lee sung woon and former commentators have been rocking the ogn game's with their great commentaries.






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KT's violet get well movement by NeverGG




Last year one of kt's protoss player Violet was diagnosed with cancer and with that he was rush to the hospital , Luckily due to the koreans great attention in keeping their appearance good at all time , this maligned disease was able to detected early . In response to this Teamliquid.net not only put a yellow ribbon on the banner to show respect to violet and Nevergg in her effort rallied most of us to give supporting messages to violet and with the deliverance of it .

KT's players and coach were touch by it and with that were blessed with a video of Reach,Yellow , Coach Henry and even Flash left us a message as seen in the video above . I just want to say thank you and I love you Nevergg for doing this , it really made me happy .

Link to the thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200849







SK sponsors Proleague

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Shinhan bank no longer sponsoring proleague while sk planet will be the official sponsor for proleague .The changes to the proleague system from bo 7 with ace match to bo5

More details in here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=288400
and here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289085







Legend of the Fall

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Jangbi's osl cinderella story

Who would have thought Jangbi Could have done it ? Winning a Tie breaker ? Destroying Flash , Smack talking about how he has great confidence that he will be taking down every opponent in his way ? . The miracle happen , the legend of the fall that in every autumn a protoss hero will rise and win the osl .

Also it is written that a pure hearted warrior , will claim the lords of shadow oopps and yes Jangbi has the same Aura of Grabiel from castlevania lord of the shadows . To be truthful I meant a protoss hero will win the osl and Jangbi of coursed did it with style not only fan's all across the globe was screaming "OMG Jangbi Won the 2011 osl " , I think he revitalised the starcraft scene and made people interested about the game again . For that Jangbi will always have my respect for this and I hope he will continue dominating .

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Jangbi : "Hardwork never betray's"

PC bang of horror "Prophecies that jangbi will win the OSL " because of yellow retirement from the bw scene . http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=238074


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It's good that the manly race win's the osl again and possibly this win by jangbi actually made another broodwar revival in the korean scene .





KT win's the grand proleague final

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Read my coverage for more details

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=257768




Thank you for reading this

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I want to say thank you for tl.net for allowing us bw fans a place to reside , talk about our favourite games , Go crazy about how bisu is cute(Kiett favourite player ) and that of course I don't like him , I think tl.net has become part of my extended family and I have learn a lot from the pm's from the moderator about my previous history of rage when sc2 and bw is involve about the topic . I want this to last forever and I hope bw too will also do the same .....

I want everyone to have a good year ahead and be successful in every resolution they want to pursue in . I hope you enjoy reading this closure of 2011 .

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9504 Posts
January 01 2012 14:17 GMT
#2
Wow, very awesome article. Even though 2011 had some good stuff happen (JangBi OSL victory), it was mostly focused on bad things (MBCGame gone and teams disbanding). Let's hope in next year we get as minimum bad news as possible and BW continues to be as epic of an adventure as it was thus far.

Here's to 2012 - the year of Brood War!
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
January 01 2012 14:19 GMT
#3
Great article!!! Love all the great parts, and sad at all the unfortunate parts =( good end to a critical (whether good or bad) year of BW.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 14:20:04
January 01 2012 14:19 GMT
#4
BW survived 2011.

BW survived.

BW.

Fuck yeah!!

I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's gotta be last. -_-

P.S. Damn Kpop. -_-
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6587 Posts
January 01 2012 14:25 GMT
#5
pufff this game is amazing. im very proud to play bw
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 01 2012 14:38 GMT
#6
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
January 01 2012 14:51 GMT
#7
LEGENDARY! Yeah, I do think that someone other than Flash/Jaedong winning a finals was a good thing for the BW scene.

Also, I love that pic of Grudge Stork xDDD
A time to live.
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
January 01 2012 14:52 GMT
#8
Year of ups and downs as well as spawning new hope. Great writeup!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#9
Thanks for this!

Wonder how 2012 will work out... :/
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
January 01 2012 14:57 GMT
#10
And for another year full of awesome
What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God ¦¦Nutella, drink of the Gods
SoFool
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Malaysia96 Posts
January 01 2012 14:58 GMT
#11
Today, I played a game of bw with my fren just for fun. And after that I realize that the current sc2 can never reach bw level of e-sports, maybe hots can change that so I will just wait and see.

I'm so glad to have played bw :'D
Find Humanity ... Assimilate ... Learn ... Evolve.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 15:12:31
January 01 2012 15:11 GMT
#12
this "FU - Stork" pic always cracks me up

Long live BW
Stork[gm]
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
January 01 2012 15:21 GMT
#13
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
January 01 2012 15:24 GMT
#14
This made me so happy to see, THANKS SO MUCH, really.

Who needs 31000 views and 280 replies, when you've got friends in Brood War, though with just 570 views and 12 replies. It's the relationship and integrity of the community that's important, not who's got the nicer graphics or, sadly, the money.

My stance on BW being in trouble, as today's blog, is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Your best friend’s in a band, you love his music, play it play it love it. So many good experiences and memories. Summers spent with your pals listening to it, figuring out how to play it yourself, watching the superstars jam on it. Then he goes upscale and gets much more popular, he’s got an updated sound, and he’s got loads of new fans, SO MANY MORE. Where’s that connection you had? You prefer the old music, and you stick to playing it. Your ears perk up any time you hear his name mentioned, but the people don’t know the old tracks and covers you’ve got so many memories with, they just know the new stuff.
There’s nothing wrong with the new stuff, it’s bringing happiness and enjoyment to far more people, it’s much more approachable, but you, who knew it and lived it and loved it then, feel separated. And gradually the diehards fade out, the radio stations and guys who want soundtracks for their Youtube channels switch over completely to the new fourm. But having known and lived the old fuorm, you feel the flaws in the new one and don’t evolve. And that loss and distance hurts. It just hurts.


Thank you, because you've made me see that I was wrong. The Pro-sceen isin't dead! For now, so let's cherish it while it lasts.
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
January 01 2012 15:25 GMT
#15
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 01 2012 15:31 GMT
#16
I see you used my "Jangbi gets a boner while kissing the OSL trophy" photo LOL xD

Nice writeup. The memories man. This year was tough, but there were some amazing moments. The Jin Air OSL changed my life. RIP MBCGame, Hwaseung, and WeMade. And MSL T_T

Hopefully 2012 will be filled with good news. And yes, Bisu is cute and will win many OSLs this year :D
Writer:o
BarneyEX
Profile Joined March 2009
Malaysia98 Posts
January 01 2012 15:34 GMT
#17
Good job writing that article, I was rather disappointed that they did not include 2011 in review BW version, I guess we can't have everything in life.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 01 2012 15:37 GMT
#18
On January 02 2012 00:31 Kiett wrote:
I see you used my "Jangbi gets a boner while kissing the OSL trophy" photo LOL xD

Nice writeup. The memories man. This year was tough, but there were some amazing moments. The Jin Air OSL changed my life. RIP MBCGame, Hwaseung, and WeMade. And MSL T_T

Hopefully 2012 will be filled with good news. And yes, Bisu is cute and will win many OSLs this year :D


OMG now that you mention it -_- , I should have use another picture lol , Thanks everyone for reading the article ^_^. Had fun writing and finding pictures about the topic .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
January 01 2012 15:38 GMT
#19
2012 will be the year of Team 8, you heard it here first.

Great writeup!
a choboling
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 16:13:56
January 01 2012 16:12 GMT
#20
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
January 01 2012 16:37 GMT
#21
Great write up, it was a very nice read for the new year.
Brood War forever!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
January 01 2012 16:41 GMT
#22
Great article, thank you! Damn this moment was amazing.

+ Show Spoiler +
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"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
January 01 2012 16:41 GMT
#23
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
January 01 2012 17:02 GMT
#24
great write up Sawamura. Thanks

Hope 2012 will be great year for Broodwar.
KT fighting!!!!!
Learn,live and love it.
Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
January 01 2012 17:04 GMT
#25
nice writeup and writing skills mate.

i wish you could have written something about Yell0w's retirement..
Life is a gift, don't waste it.
SKiller
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland39 Posts
January 01 2012 17:16 GMT
#26
Fantastic write up.

Go Go Team 8
"More GG, more skill" White Ra
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 01 2012 17:21 GMT
#27
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =

You're going to be disappointed
In the woods, there lurks..
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
January 01 2012 17:31 GMT
#28
I was listening to a rather sad music while reading the article, when I saw those photos, my tears nearly came off...
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
January 01 2012 17:31 GMT
#29
Good article, and great image selection.
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
January 01 2012 17:34 GMT
#30
I don't know why but I got tears in my eyes seeing Jangbi with the trophy. Well deserved win for him.
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
January 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#31
BW will last forever don't you worry about it Sawamura.
2011 was a crazy year. Let's hope for an amazing 2012! Thanks for this sooo much.
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
January 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#32
That MBCgame old team photo is crazy when you consider they had Bisu, July, Light and Sea all on the same team at the time same time.
dark14cs
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
143 Posts
January 01 2012 17:41 GMT
#33
Good job
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 18:10:21
January 01 2012 17:43 GMT
#34
2011 was indeed a very tough year for BW, but we managed to get through it. Sometimes, I couldn't help but wonder how things would have turned out if the typhoon didn't strike SH which caused the final to get cancelled.

Hopefully BW will survive 2012, and KeSPA's plan of internationalization (read: China) will pan out. If all goes according to plans, BW should be able to wither a few more years of storms.

BW fighting~

On January 02 2012 02:38 Thorin wrote:
That MBCgame old team photo is crazy when you consider they had Bisu, July, Light and Sea all on the same team at the time same time.


Sea and Light were never S-class calibre players. Bisu and July weren't amazing at the same time. By the time Bisu was recognized as one of the best players, he moved to T1.

edit:

Forgot to say, great post btw!
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
January 01 2012 17:49 GMT
#35
I never get tired of seeing the classic FBH performances. Hiya was another great player for entrance ceremonies.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 18:58:49
January 01 2012 18:58 GMT
#36
So much sadness for BW in 2011. I hope 2012 brings more smiles...and sponsor for Team 8.
I'm a noob
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 01 2012 19:06 GMT
#37
Man, for some reason I felt as if so much else happened in 2011... like the OP should have been double the length. But then it's probably because many of these events are like worth ten of 'ordinary' events
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
January 01 2012 19:11 GMT
#38
apparently there was nothing that happened before july
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
January 01 2012 19:14 GMT
#39
BW for life!!! Doesnt matter what team you like or hate, doesnt matter what player you cant stand to watch, or make you drool with their awesome play, doesnt matter what part of this planet you are on, BW and TL brought us all together and many of us are still here after all the trials and setbacks to our beloved game.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 19:38:04
January 01 2012 19:37 GMT
#40
No mention of SKT winner's league victory :/
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 01 2012 19:41 GMT
#41
correction: " Shinhan bank no longer sponsoring proleague while sk proleague will be the official sponsor for proleague . "
-> i believe should be "sk planet". I really enjoy reading this review, thank you. It was a good year for Woongjin Stars.
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
January 01 2012 19:47 GMT
#42
WOW huge thanks Sawamura for this article.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
January 01 2012 19:58 GMT
#43
Thanks for the writeup! Janbi's victory was amazing and definitely helped the scene in a tremendous way.
Long live BroodWar!
Kimoleon
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States210 Posts
January 01 2012 20:01 GMT
#44
Thanks for the write-up Sawamura, those older pictures of the teams get me teared up a bit.. T.T I hope BW stays alive and kicking for a long time. From that "2 OSL Sponsor" thread , I hope one of them sponsors and the other takes Team8 with them ^^.

Fantasy for OSL Finals, lets go!~
#nanashin #once | No Sana No Life | BW Forever ~
jumbotroN
Profile Joined April 2010
Peru229 Posts
January 01 2012 20:48 GMT
#45
I love BW, to me this year was awesome, I hope we can get another individual tournament to follow more matches!

<3 JangBi
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
January 01 2012 20:49 GMT
#46
How about flash gets a golden badge? 3 OSL 3 MSL for flash to tie him with Nada.
Also, as part of the ongoing joke regarding flash's success:
Flash wins his 6th star/starcraft league and there are no more starleagues.
☺
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
January 01 2012 21:01 GMT
#47
Sweet write-up. Lets hope for an amazing 2012!
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
January 01 2012 21:10 GMT
#48
What a great post. Thanks Sawamura!
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 21:21:37
January 01 2012 21:13 GMT
#49
Just a bit of a nitpick but isn't that image from 2006 or something I believe,kinda seems out of place if its a 2011 recap no?

Anyways,nice article man,thanks for the effort^^
Cackle™
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19239 Posts
January 01 2012 21:15 GMT
#50
Happy New Year BW!!!!!
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t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
January 01 2012 21:36 GMT
#51
does anyone have that jangbi comic saved? the thread photo is broken
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
January 01 2012 21:47 GMT
#52
Nice writeup man, you really are good at injecting confidence and re assurance back into the BW players hearts , minds and souls with you're write ups, really some heart felt words , thanks for this, I'm curious why you aren't writing for TL :-P
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 01 2012 22:37 GMT
#53
Looks like blind rawr got his wish of having a BW one too! great job
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 01 2012 22:40 GMT
#54
Incredible.
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-01 23:06:09
January 01 2012 22:55 GMT
#55
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
January 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#56
2011, the year I started watching Brood War <3. Loving the SPL
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devPLEASE
Profile Joined March 2011
Kenya605 Posts
January 01 2012 23:19 GMT
#57
TL should recruit this guy. He has potential. And this year I started rewatching BW. Love JangBi.
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Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
January 01 2012 23:49 GMT
#58
Thanks Sawamura, this made my day. BW for fucking ever man.
God is in His heaven. All is right with the world.
Ghostface_Killa
Profile Joined March 2011
United States168 Posts
January 02 2012 00:03 GMT
#59
Cool article. Go Team 8!
Arrested for what, baby? Being awesome?
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
January 02 2012 00:35 GMT
#60
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
BW survived 2011.


After such a rough year, that's my highlight too.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
January 02 2012 01:06 GMT
#61
Can't believe we lost MBC and WeMade PirateZerg and Ozsucksballswithoutme's team wasn't all that much to write home about but it has been a year of up and downs. Absolutely great writeup<3
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 01:38:31
January 02 2012 01:38 GMT
#62
I like this )). Nice write up man. I enjoyed reading it.

To the folks getting sad that BW is dead or something, no... Brood War in Korea alone is more popular than any other competitive video game :|. It's a national pro sport in Korea, recognized and managed by the Korean government, and is the only video game that has appealed to all sorts of people in a society rather than just gaming nerds. It's not dead, nowhere close. It will only die when Kespa decides to switch it over to SC2, which seems they're in the process of doing.
lazyo
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany90 Posts
January 02 2012 02:04 GMT
#63
Can you please left-align the text? Reading centered text is very tiresome.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 02 2012 02:16 GMT
#64
Nice job!

Fucking FBH had the most amazing ceremonies... MC isn't even in the same league lol
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 02 2012 02:25 GMT
#65
Nice writeup sawamura
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X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
January 02 2012 02:58 GMT
#66
Sawamura, I love you <3
MBC Game TT WMF TT
Really going to miss those players that didn't manage to get onto a team. Perfectman, Anytime, Midas, Ruby..
Jangbi's win <3 KT's SPL win <3 And most importantly Brood War survived 2011. 2012 will be Brood War's year, Fighting!
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
NuclearWINtr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States125 Posts
January 02 2012 03:43 GMT
#67
I have to thank JangBi and KT for getting me into brood war. Next year we will hopefully see the growth of brood war once again :D

BW FIGHTING

KT FIGHTING

FLASH FIGHTING
Shiger
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden118 Posts
January 02 2012 04:00 GMT
#68
can't believe you forgot baxter
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
January 02 2012 06:08 GMT
#69
Thanks :D I've really enjoyed doing those big group projects for TL.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
stork4ever
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1036 Posts
January 02 2012 06:11 GMT
#70
2011 was bittersweet; but bw lives and bisu is still looking good so all is well
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 02 2012 06:27 GMT
#71
Been disappointing for me for BW because Jaedong just hasn't been playing so hot for what seems like all of 2011 (I know not all but feels ) . Hope he can dominate in 2012.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#72
aghh the tears can't stop falling , my first thread in tl.net to be spotlighted <3 , didn't expect it to be welcome by many people , felt like I just won the masters or something . Got to stop feeling good . Thanks I will think about writing up a small section for jing ho and all other veterans who retired if I can .

In the meanwhile I will listen to this song and cherish the small victory :D

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Fox116
Profile Joined April 2011
United States409 Posts
January 02 2012 06:51 GMT
#73
Awesome write up. Thanks for the read!
Scarabs always going off in my head!
sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 02 2012 07:38 GMT
#74
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
January 02 2012 07:51 GMT
#75
Nice read, good effort Sawa
It was definitely a very rough year, August and the months afterwards before PL (and the other good news) started were very hard to stomach. So much talent was lost. I actually fear the coming August, even though it's pretty far away. But I hope and pray for another successful year of proleague and OSL. May the BW gods look over us kindly and find Team 8 a sponsor.
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What no SKT winning WL or STX Cup ><
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Menzies
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
January 02 2012 08:14 GMT
#76
Amazing writeup!! :D :D
Never ever ever give up. Impossible is nothing
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
January 02 2012 08:57 GMT
#77
this was nice

thank you
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LeperKahn
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Romania1839 Posts
January 02 2012 09:04 GMT
#78
Thank you so much for writing this! Very informative post for someone who's been out of the loop for the season.
:D
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shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 10:25:06
January 02 2012 10:21 GMT
#79
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 02 2012 10:36 GMT
#80
Great Article, Great writeup Thank you so much for this! BW will allways be in my heart
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sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 02 2012 10:59 GMT
#81
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol

It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
jeffvip
Profile Joined June 2011
211 Posts
January 02 2012 11:21 GMT
#82
GO BW go! Flash to dominate again!
Marine is Terran strongest unit but it might be Terran's biggest weakness. Bcos of Marine so OP, other Terran unit regrettably have to be weak..
nodnod
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand172 Posts
January 02 2012 11:46 GMT
#83
kudos for taking the time to write this article, it's a good read.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-02 12:00:52
January 02 2012 11:57 GMT
#84
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:19 shaftofpleasure wrote:
I really wish T8 would be doing well next round but like some other said, someone's STX gotta be last. -_-

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
January 02 2012 12:29 GMT
#85
Thanks for the article have a great year !
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HighTemper
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3867 Posts
January 02 2012 13:17 GMT
#86
I'm sad. Not enough EffOrt in your article.
But the Legend of the fall made up for the series of bad news. (Ummm, not really...)

Thank you for all BW fans like you who devoted their time to serve the community!

2012 will be a better year for BW!
"Issue the orders Sir [JangBi], and I will storm Hell." - Anthony Wayne
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
January 02 2012 16:13 GMT
#87
this is the first time that i really feel that the bw community is really like the underdog in tl, seeing the sc2 reviews makes me sad, but whatever, ill be loyal to bw till the end (:, great writeup ! always nice to read something bw-related, the jangbi's osl really made me very very happy ^^ now ill keep organizing the vods of the current pl in my hdd xd
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
January 02 2012 17:20 GMT
#88
Wow, you put a lot off effort into this. Very nice. Thanks!
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
January 02 2012 17:39 GMT
#89
Great read for someone who didn't follow as closely as they would have liked to.
Filled in a lot of facts about things I had only heard of and reminded me of a few things I told myself I wanted to search.
Thanks for all the time you put into this.

Cheering for Bisu in 2012!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 02 2012 17:40 GMT
#90
BW4LYFE!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#91
Great write-up. Sad, but still.
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sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 02 2012 18:24 GMT
#92
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 01 2012 23:38 VirgilSC2 wrote:
[quote]
Fixed that for you.

Anyway, great write-up and fantastic job! I'm super new to following Brood War but even I was able to appreciate Jangbi's OSL finals <3

I also really enjoyed following this season of ProLeague, I'm proud to say I didn't miss a single match, even if half of my Liquibets went horribly wrong.


lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?
It is easy to lead a successful life, but hard to lead a meaningful one.
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1764 Posts
January 02 2012 18:34 GMT
#93
sorry for the stupid question, but can any1 tell me which event the very first picture is from again and what the amount of attandees was? I cannot remember hence not find anything about it right now;/
LML
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 02 2012 19:19 GMT
#94
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
[quote]

lol .. I want KT to be last.


you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.
Stork[gm]
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
January 02 2012 21:26 GMT
#95
When could you even say there was a large influx of new players anyway... it's always been like this honestly. The level of skill required for regular A-team play is massive; a lot of players peak below the level and never even make it out of B-team. The disbanded teams hurt somewhat but there's still players making it through; Dear, Shy, Wooki, Where, Perfective... then you had a generation before that roughly including Reality, TurN, Brave, Grape, Ssak, Classic, By.Sun.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 02 2012 21:32 GMT
#96
That KT video was so, so, so good.
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Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
January 02 2012 23:31 GMT
#97
On January 03 2012 06:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
That KT video was so, so, so good.

I watched it at least three times in a row :D
BW
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
January 03 2012 00:09 GMT
#98
On January 03 2012 04:19 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
[quote]

you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.

I think everyone has seen Best and Jaedong (2010) and Bisu try to macro against him. I think everyone has seen how they consistently get overrun by him.
Look at effort vs Flash G2 and Flash vs Hydra: both of them got 3 base before pool and still lost.
☺
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 03 2012 00:15 GMT
#99
Great write up
!

Looking forward to 2012
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 00:24:55
January 03 2012 00:18 GMT
#100
On January 03 2012 04:19 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 00:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:
[quote]

you should want more of your team to do better than another team to fail.

otherwise you'll feel more disappointment than happiness.


I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.


Exactly my point. Take a look at his game vs Light for example. I do not know if it's earhax but Flash have been starsensing almost every cheese the other players throw at him like it is some sort of normal.


On January 03 2012 03:34 LML wrote:
sorry for the stupid question, but can any1 tell me which event the very first picture is from again and what the amount of attandees was? I cannot remember hence not find anything about it right now;/


I think it was taken from an interview. BBC I think. I could be wrong.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Imalengrat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia365 Posts
January 03 2012 02:53 GMT
#101
Very nice read. Not much of a BW watcher but this is awesome. Thanks
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sviatoslavrichter
Profile Joined January 2012
United States164 Posts
January 03 2012 03:01 GMT
#102
On January 03 2012 09:18 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2012 04:19 bgx wrote:
On January 03 2012 03:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 20:57 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:59 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 19:21 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 16:38 sviatoslavrichter wrote:
On January 02 2012 07:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:41 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 02 2012 01:12 shaftofpleasure wrote:
[quote]

I don't have a specific team. I just want KT to be last. =


but why?
I know this isn't the place to ask but its so intriguing to see a total anti-fan.


I don't like dominating figures like Flash. I mean, he already broke the game. After having to witness his 2010 and 2011 run, It's safe to say that there will never be another player to top Flash and I think the only thing that is going to bring Flash down is going to be his age. And no one likes that.

I want a player who can match Flash NOW or else, BW will be dead when Flash starts to suck and then no one likes BW dead. You have to notice this since every game the commentators compare A-teamers to Flash, Bisu, Stork, and Jaedong. If these guys starts sucking and no one can top the level of play these guys these, then we are not far from being a fan of a dying scene. TBLS are the pillars of the current BW, and there is a current need to smash these pillars while they are strong.

I got hooked on BW when Bisu was the leading man of the scene and I've patently waited for a zerg to topple him. Jaedong came but also his bane, Flash. Then 2010 came. I do not know where to place Stork here ..


Fanboyism aside, you're pretty spot-on in that there is not a lot of new blood entering the BW scene. This is probably the largest long-term threat BW faces. What are the new players that have cycled into the scene since 2008-9? Wooki? Rain? Action? We can probably count them on one hand...


I am looking more to these players: Baby, Hydra, Bogus, Stats, Fantasy.

They really don't have to be new players. With the number of games reduced bin the current PL and the removal of MSL, I don't think we will be seeing more from these players' true potential. What we need are more games to be played. Progamers complained about the games they had to play last season. Now, I think they can even barely play at all and with the absence of MBCH, WMF, and Oz; there is even a less saturation of players to play against other players. Baby, for example, when WMF was still around, he could play against TBLS which would mean we can guage him more and can be a a potential next 'TBLS'.

I don't know if I am making any sense to you guys but the idea is in my head and I just can't convey it right. All I know is that Flash needs to go down. Along with the KT because they 're the defending champion.


Well, if you really want to take down Flash, playing more games won't necessarily be the solution. I think Flash's strength isn't just his in-game decisionmaking, but that he probably uses his practice time more efficiently than any other progamer. Having less games evens out the playing field substantially in that regard.

And your hate for Flash really sounds like GG.Nore, lol



It's not that I only dislike Flash. Bisu would be following him in my list of Players-that-I-want-to-be-beaten but these 2 even out each other. I want a zerg (Hydra, I think) to beat Bisu constantly in an straight-forward game yet I want Bisu to improve his PvT so he can take out Flash.

Think of it as me wanting to have really good games and not really about siding a specific player.

P.S. I dont think it's about practice games and how it matters. It's about how Flash broke the game in a sense that he knows what his opponent would do. It's like chess, he is a couple of moves ahead against his opponents when he plays and that aura about him that sometimes you can see how other players cower and turtle in fear against him.


lol, so it used to be flash's fault for turtling, now it's his fault for being aggressive and making his opponents turtle? Can't you just like the guy for playing damn good Starcraft?


aura... not gameplay, he meant that Flash just being Flash already gives him psychological advantage even before he enters the booth. Players play generally worse vs him( a specially those not as established, the middle-tier mainly), because its hard for them to be open-minded vs such revered player. Its partly true sadly or not, it would be best if Flash was stripped of "invincibility", so most people would just start playing at their capabilities vs him. I dont hate Flash in fact i like him, but i would give much more for players to stop doing fail cheeses vs him, because they dont have courage to play macro vs him. It would create better matches, its kinda anti-climax when match practically ends because Flash sent his scv in right direction.


Exactly my point. Take a look at his game vs Light for example. I do not know if it's earhax but Flash have been starsensing almost every cheese the other players throw at him like it is some sort of normal.


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On January 03 2012 03:34 LML wrote:
sorry for the stupid question, but can any1 tell me which event the very first picture is from again and what the amount of attandees was? I cannot remember hence not find anything about it right now;/


I think it was taken from an interview. BBC I think. I could be wrong.


Um, not sure where you're getting your facts from but players do often go macro games against flash, and still end up getting crushed. Just ask Best in the 2011 Proleague finals.
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Awesome!!! Long live to BW!!
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January 03 2012 11:03 GMT
#104
It was great to read this. As someone who has stepped away from the Starcraft scene because of the blandness of Starcraft 2, this brings back a lot of those excited feelings of the Brood War days.

It's a bittersweet feeling as it's sad to see all of these teams disbanding.
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#105
That last picture of Jangbi...

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January 03 2012 14:00 GMT
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long live BW! thanks for the write-up.
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January 03 2012 18:18 GMT
#107
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Thanks for the write-up!
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zackda
Profile Joined August 2011
Israel6 Posts
January 22 2012 14:44 GMT
#108
You forgot the ABC-mart MSL, and Flash's win of 6th major individual league. Other than that, great sum-up !!

I wish some company (GOMtv?) will continue the MSL legacy....
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 15:20:49
January 22 2012 15:07 GMT
#109
On January 22 2012 23:44 zackda wrote:
You forgot the ABC-mart MSL, and Flash's win of 6th major individual league. Other than that, great sum-up !!

I wish some company (GOMtv?) will continue the MSL legacy....


Edit : Not thinking right , sorry that I am kind of mess up , because of how I handle a topic without even thinking about the subject matter first and yes I skipped over ABC mart Msl , and Flash win's 6th major indivdiual leagues because I don't have the time and it's about to reach the new year .
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
January 22 2012 15:11 GMT
#110
On January 23 2012 00:07 Sawamura wrote:
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On January 22 2012 23:44 zackda wrote:
You forgot the ABC-mart MSL, and Flash's win of 6th major individual league. Other than that, great sum-up !!

I wish some company (GOMtv?) will continue the MSL legacy....


You do realise that , Only one person was working on this article.......

I do not think he really meant it to be augmentative... or at least with malicious intentions.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 22 2012 15:22 GMT
#111
On January 23 2012 00:11 Hesmyrr wrote:
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On January 23 2012 00:07 Sawamura wrote:
On January 22 2012 23:44 zackda wrote:
You forgot the ABC-mart MSL, and Flash's win of 6th major individual league. Other than that, great sum-up !!

I wish some company (GOMtv?) will continue the MSL legacy....


You do realise that , Only one person was working on this article.......

I do not think he really meant it to be augmentative... or at least with malicious intentions.


Yeah I edited out my knee jerk response to it .Should have look at it from his perspective .
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Israel6 Posts
January 23 2012 08:59 GMT
#112
Hi, of course, did not meant to criticize, just to say that it was a great article
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