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On July 10 2005 18:39 ApollyoN wrote:
Well I think all of you guys are wrong to villainize mondi.. The managers thought the team needed to be shaken up, and looking at the recent activity and results im inclined to agree.
The reasons why Mondi is being villainized, I believe, is because "he kicked some awesome members, like Infinity, Satanik, Hellghost, and Clawson for shitty reasons". I won't be releasing very many of my own opinions at this time, but this is what I'm gathering from everyone else at this point.
I will, however, mention that I personally believe those 4 are better than a ton of former ToT members, despite what Mondi or the rest of you think. Whoever mentioned Infinity's situation, I strongly agree with that as well. He's an ancient artifact of pG.
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what i want to know is why you peopel care so much about draco being booted, i mean i am willing to bet almost all of you whoa re bitching about him and infinity being booted dont even know them. Who cares if they were booted its not your choice and you act like it matters/you have any say in the matter ;D
btw all eastern europeans should be banned from every gaming clan/team/ everything
let them and their shitty connections and broken english play amongst themselves ;D
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Its not that i care. but i want to see the new pG doing the best they can vs korean teams. I think Draco is a very good player. Same as Infinity plus hes been in pG like forever.
AGAIN, its a discussion forum, people discuss :0
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On July 10 2005 21:00 Sadist wrote:
btw all eastern europeans should be banned from every gaming clan/team/ everything
let them and their shitty connections and broken english play amongst themselves ;D
!signed!
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On July 10 2005 17:51 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2005 14:44 Twisted wrote:On July 10 2005 14:18 k3fka wrote:
so twisted , i deserve a ban for puting facts in here that you guys dont like? that sure is some serious autoritarism. Stupid people get banned from Teamliquid.net. Shit happens. Disney has less harsh conditions for retards, try them. (btw I can't ban so you might live) People can certainly give their opinion, even if it doesn't agree with you and you think it's stupid. What if a moderator was atheist and banned all the believers because he thought they were stupid? Idiots who go "ROFL MONDI IS GAY LIEK PUMKIN PIE" should be banned because they don't add anything to the discussion, they're insulting just to be insulting, and they can't back up what they say with any kind of argument, etc...
TEH ARGUEMANT HE USE BIN WAY LA ID IN SE VEORAL PO ST TT TIIN THISISLSS TOPCICIC, THSLUS MAK ING H IMIM STUPIDIS[H
On July 10 2005 20:16 Newblish wrote:
So the fact that draco did not inform them of another team is why hes kicked? Testie plays on 3, but they "know" therefore he is not kicked?
Stop telling such a stupid lie, you dont want him because members dont get along with him. Dont lie to us and tell us it was because he "did not inform you" of this other team. Hey again testie is on 3, but the fact that you were "informed about it" is why hes still there. Just admit that the new [pG] are a bunch of little babies. Simple as that. Make friends with draco; its as if you're a bunch of 13 year old girls having these childish fights over such stupid shit. Im sure after a bit youd have been so goddam glad hes on the team that youd kill yourself if he left.
Anyway, i just wanted ToT/[pG] to do well against the korean teams in clan wars, thats really it. And yes you can still do well, but you had a chance to do much better. Oh well, its all about the "friendship" right? (even though you already had that in ToT, and left it only for the fucking money).
Oh well.
Draco, they are missing one of the best non-korean players to let you go. Not only will you soon be even much better, but currently i see no better toss outside korea, and soon to be much more. Gl.
You're an ignorant newbie and you have no clue what's going on, shut the fuck up.
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Oh and about testie:
Testie, as like a lot of other ToT members, are in Korean guilds. They do not get offered money there, they are in those teams because ToT/pG are European teams. That's why they play with their Korean tags (i.e. nal_ KT.MGW AeGiS etc.), at west, in order to get better games.
About his rS thing, we didn't mind in ToT. He will probably have to decide wether he stays with rS, or that he wants to come with us to the new pG.
And afaik, Effka will join us, and satanik will probably stay as well. That's all I can say for the moment.
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That it was done isn´t the reason why ppl get upset, it´s how it was done. It was maybe to fast and not a lot ppl knew about, not the old and not the new. So the new didnt know how much the old member knew.
I did not have any idea about myself and heard about same day as everybody else, exept of the ppl i guess they didnt reach.
As i know almost everyone in both parts i thought i would/should not comment it at all. I like ToT Members a lot even that Testie you all choose to hack on with love or Trek you like to pick on  .
Gus is in Ozmitas Team since a long time and everybody knew about, same that everyone agreed it doesnt matter for Testie beeing both in rS and ToT.
For Draco sure i feel kinda sry, I dunno really what he said but he told to pG Management that he signed contract with other team. But guys if you would have to decide everyone would know that Testie and Draco in one team never would go well. Both of them are very good player but kinda stubborn and selfconfident persons (wouldnt call it arrogant ) , just that Draco is a bit more manner version, plus they very dislike eachother. So thats logic for Mondragon to keep his old mate and ask the other one out. (My opinion and i like both of them)
I hope for the other old pG´s a good solution will be found, specially for them what are still playing activ and where really also "my" old (Andy, Infi, Igor, Artur, Nikos, Ewa just know them so long  also Ken)
For me all that came very unexpected and in very bad timing since i have a lot problems rl atm and will go in holidays today, so i am very unhappy that i could give in more from me to clean things up and help out, so i hope it really goes all good way at the end, also for the player i didnt mention, i give the trust to Dissy and Björn ^^.
On July 10 2005 04:51 Musli wrote:
When I think about pG I think about:
SaFt
Daaman
Rekrul
Nazgul
SataNik
Blackman
Draco
Kentaro
SloG4
FisheYe
Breakdown
FroZ
InFiNiTy
Socke
HellGhost
And it wont change ~~
GL team ToT on pG tag ~~
this made me laugh  , where have you been living the last years;)?
Saft never was in same team with Draco, Saft was 2001 pG and i think beside of Fisheye maybe Naz was allready there but the rest not, just a lot others you i guess dont even know .
Daaman, Nazgul, Rekrul, Froz left longer time ago allready.
Just a sidenote, this will not be the last mess in teams, since like when money comes in, everyone would take a piece of that cake. I am not a player so i dont care, i just care about friends no matter what tag they use.
have a nice summer and relax a bit ,)
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You got it in the wrong way Ilvy  , the meaning is another!
"When I think about pG, I think about"
It s like when I think about Music, I think about Madonna, Elvis and Mozart!
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could be yes, but than he should have had added Eri, Veg, Suker too
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when i think about Dashwriter, im touching myself.
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On July 10 2005 21:00 Sadist wrote:
what i want to know is why you peopel care so much about draco being booted, i mean i am willing to bet almost all of you whoa re bitching about him and infinity being booted dont even know them. Who cares if they were booted its not your choice and you act like it matters/you have any say in the matter ;D
btw all eastern europeans should be banned from every gaming clan/team/ everything
let them and their shitty connections and broken english play amongst themselves ;D
About Infinity, it's simple. To show some fucking support
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can any1 tell me who is "léonore "Ore" Crestey - France" ???
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On July 10 2005 18:29 wahnsinn wrote:
The thing that really disturbs me about this whole ordeal is that people like InFiNitY who helped CREATE [pG] and have been in [pG] ever since it started, are now being forced to wait to see if they're allowed to stay by some guy who bought all his friends and joined [pG] like a day ago.
Say you've been in a clan for years. Wouldn't you be a bit irked if Nal_ decided to change their tag, came in, and said 'ok we're going to kick out the creators of this clan for (bullshit reason here), have a nice day! Oh.. look on the bright side! At least we're still cool!'
I feel very bad for the old members of [pG] is all I'm saying.
Now for the good: This IS basically a merging of the two best foreign clans in existence, with [pG] having already lost many a member. These players are now being paid (motivated) to play, which gives them more drive. The foreign pro-gaming scene really has a shot at being recognised with a bunch of sponsored non-korean gosu's.
I mean, [pG] was close to dead anyway, I must admit that.
I don't know. I suppose it's a good thing, but I do feel sorry for the oldschool [pG] members.
This is the exact reason that people need to be kicked. Mondi is the leader now like it or not. You cant have people in the team, old school or not, that will not accept mondi as the leader. I am assuming the wait on some of these players has to do with mondi needing to have a talk with them to see where they stand. BTW I think Hellghost would be a huge asset, he adapts to new map very quickly and IMO he is better than over 50% of the the people in pg.
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On July 10 2005 18:37 wahnsinn wrote:
You've missed my point man.. my point is that how would you feel if you created a clan / team / whatever, only for 3 years later some guy to join with a bunch of friends and kick you out?
You missed the point dude. I feel bad for the oldschool members, that's all.
I agree ;O
But it's SORT OF like if you get fired from your job because you haven't been doing it well enough - difference being that in this case they didn't live off of it, but it might have been more 'friendly' or personal than work oO
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On July 11 2005 03:46 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2005 18:37 wahnsinn wrote:
You've missed my point man.. my point is that how would you feel if you created a clan / team / whatever, only for 3 years later some guy to join with a bunch of friends and kick you out?
You missed the point dude. I feel bad for the oldschool members, that's all. I agree ;O But it's SORT OF like if you get fired from your job because you haven't been doing it well enough - difference being that in this case they didn't live off of it, but it might have been more 'friendly' or personal than work oO
Well if you wanna put it like that, it's basically having a brand new employee firing you when you are the founder.. spontaneously...
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Its wrong to give all bad now to Mondragon , that really should not be. He informed ToT-members about late but he did in irc, in b-net and in forum to be sure everyone gets to know and they had the possibility to choose themself , more or less in a democratic vote. Late i say since it was short time before release, but on other hand i have no idea when he got asked.
To inform the pG members should not have been his part i think. a short mail, with
"we lost our best members and need to handle now, we plan to ask ToT)Mondragon( to join with whoever he wants and he will be leader in future . If you would like to stay in team with him plz take contact "
just a little information like that would have been fair . Just that things got kinda lost in that hurry and i would not say it was planned to be bad it happend
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On July 10 2005 18:26 k3fka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2005 18:21 wahnsinn wrote:
wow mondi sounds like a hateful person --a i dont think so. He was offered this to do what hes doing and most of the decision he made are correct. However i strongly disagree with the kicks of draco , and if they vote it , the kick of infinity. the rest that were banned , were inactive and deserved to be banned.
why be a total fucking RETARD?
I'll take this slow, VERY FUCKING SLOW , Aparently ... Draco made money deals behind pG's back , he double teamed without consulting with his team first or atleast telling them ... he said he would play for the other team but still tag pG , he said in the channel to me that he was going to leave shorty after aparently too .
Therefor he was kicked, not by TOT, not by MONDI, BUT BY PG'S CREW AND BW SQUAD LEADER(S).
Also i wonder why "we" would have to keep draco just cuz he is maybe the best player there, just cause he is good.
He would have been voted on like most others then i guess? if he now wanted to stay, and i seriously doubt he would make it in a voting ... he havent exactly got the über manners afaik.
So please dont post here anymore? when ppl try to give u the fucking answer to your questions atleast try to read them, and understand them.
thanks
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On July 10 2005 20:36 IcedEarth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2005 18:39 ApollyoN wrote:
Well I think all of you guys are wrong to villainize mondi.. The managers thought the team needed to be shaken up, and looking at the recent activity and results im inclined to agree. The reasons why Mondi is being villainized, I believe, is because "he kicked some awesome members, like Infinity, Satanik, Hellghost, and Clawson for shitty reasons". I won't be releasing very many of my own opinions at this time, but this is what I'm gathering from everyone else at this point. I will, however, mention that I personally believe those 4 are better than a ton of former ToT members, despite what Mondi or the rest of you think. Whoever mentioned Infinity's situation, I strongly agree with that as well. He's an ancient artifact of pG.
who the hell is talking about skill in this ?
if i vote yes or no to a player its not about his skill its about how i feel towards that person , i thought u already figured that out ?
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yes as ive stated in iD,
being cool and having a personality is MUCH more important than being good ;D
some people dont seem to realize this --;
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i think the mix of "fans" and the actual people involved in this forum causes for some shitty discussion. for the people involved, it's a personal matter that isnt discussed on a forum but rather in chat amongst themselves.. and when something solid is formed, then an announcement can be made on a site for the fans. but the fans do their discussing, and often let the wrong shit (ie nostalgia, support for certain gosus, etc) guide their "reasoning" whereas the actual people involved have the means for reaching a good solution.
unless you think mondragon is incompetent, then you have nothing to discuss.. because i can guarantee you he is conducting business in the fairest manner taking into account all of his obligations and the best interests for the people involved. if it's a matter of mondragon's "goodness", then let faith replace the doubt that has been instilled in this community by ignorance
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