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ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
November 24 2011 15:32 GMT
#121
Pretty much banking it all on a near-all Khan team....I'm either gonna be a genius or an idiot
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
November 24 2011 15:34 GMT
#122
Savior will clearly win
U MAD BRO?
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
November 24 2011 15:34 GMT
#123
Not really expecting to win, so putting quite a few players I like. Zero's super expensive, though =(

Woohoo Woon

Main Team
1 (T)Bbyong
5 (Z)EffOrt
10 (T)Flash
4 (P)free
1 (T)hOn_sin
6 (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey (captain)
3 Woongjin Stars

Anti Team
3 (P)Flying
3 (Z)hyvaa
7 (P)Movie

Half of my team is WJN Stars, lol. Flash is Flash. Effort hasn't really been away from BW for that long, and he's been back for a while. He just couldn't play because of the licensing issue. BByong is decent. I like him better than Skyhigh. The rest are WJN players. As for the anti-team. I've always, and am still, considering Flying as 'dat estro kid. I don't think hyvaa will see that much play time between Calm, Modesty, and hero. Movie is 7 points, and I think that's pushing the value a little bit. I expect to get burned here, but hopefully not too much.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 15:53:29
November 24 2011 15:49 GMT
#124
My first FPL. I noticed there hasn't been a whole lot of actual discussion, I mean, in terms of critique. I hope the more experienced ones explain how to trade effectively (only ever experienced GSTL and it pretty much sucked cause you needed that one player *coughDRGcough* to really get your points...)

Do you have to trade your player for someone of lesser rank?

Anyway, my team

Daggerpoint

Main

Captain: (P)Bisu

Not much to be said here really. I had to decide between Flash and Bisu, and knowing how often Flash gets sniped nowadays, I'm more comfy with Bisu at point, leading the way. In this format, I actually think Bisu is stronger because he can prepare for just one map. As Flash has recently pointed out, Bisu is quite a genius so when he gets to prepare for something, few people can stop him. I'd put him as a favorite over everyone except Flash and Horang2 right now, whereas Flash is vulnerable to Jaedong and Protoss who use Carriers well (Jangbi, Stork, Tyson, Shuttle).

Sidekick: (Z)EffOrt

Much to be said here. In much the same way that Killer has torn through his teammates in the in-house tournament, so too has Effort, with dishwashing at stake. I feel that dishwashing is a more powerful motivating tool than booth placement, so Effort probably went through more serious opponents. In any case, Effort is an absolute steal at 5, even if he only plays up to 80% of his peak. He was close to overthrowing Jaedong when he slumped and then retired, so I trust his moniker will ensure him getting back to peak form faster than Flash. Besides, with an allegedly anti-Protoss map pool, I think Effort will scalp them poor Protoss (cept Bisu) all season long.

SKT duo: (P)By.Sun and (Z)n.Die_soO


Sun and Soo showed last season SKT wasn't just FBB. In fact, Sun and Soo are probably the future of SKT. Both are below 20 years old and have exhibited very strong play, peaking at the STX championship match (where Sun all-killed JaedongOz) and Soo's spectacular run through the OSL (coming up short against the Legend of the Fall). Both are part of the tried-and-tested SKT practice system, which is likely the best in the league with the departure of Cho from CJ. I was a little risky with these picks, but I believe their potential is real and will immediately be seen this season. Besides, SKT is generally a guaranteed win so that extra point will help (if I understand the points correctly).

Scraping by: (P)GuemChi and (T)yeOngJae

Guemchi was the Winner's League bonjwa not too long ago. While his brief migration to India and Starcraft 2 dulled his skills somewhat, I think he just needed a season to acclimate himself to the harsh environment that is a Broodwar practice house. I don't think any of the other 1 pointers will be sent out as much as Guemchi so I'm hoping he keeps at least a 50% winrate. At the very least, he'll appear in the lineup and will negate his losses enough so that Woongjin's wins will keep me afloat. Yeongjae is just there for the potential +1 from team win.

Master of the Universe: SKT T1

No explanation necessary. This is our year. This is our time. The Ultimate Weapon is stronger than ever before, and as history has shown, when only one player dominates Starcraft, revolutions happen.

Anti

(Z)Calm

Clam. Nuff said.

(P)Kal

Slumping Protoss into ACE during an anti-Protoss map season? Recipe for disaster.

(P)free

LOL.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 15:59:55
November 24 2011 15:50 GMT
#125
Why is there so many P players over-valued? How can Flying be 3 points, free 4 points, and loads others i thought were weird too. Anyway:

Starcraft 2 Sucks

Main Team
7 (T)Bogus
2 (P)Brave
1 (P)Dear
5 (Z)EffOrt
6 (Z)Killer
6 (T)Leta (captain)
3 Woongjin Stars

Anti Team
5 (Z)Action
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
4 (Z)HoeJJa

Bogus looked like he was getting better and better, Leta is a PL monster and will play every series, Killer is good and improving even further. EffOrt is a risk but seemed to have natural talent and will pick it up again, you're getting like a 8 point at least player for 5. Brave quietly had some nice wins last season and in the hardest P matchup. Dear was dropped into the deep end last season and should be more consistent now considering his Dream League record.

And yeah. KT zergs suck.

I think some of you are crazy having too many P players in main though, mine were only last choice.. we already heard the maps are bad and to me half of them are overvalued. I knew loads of people would pick wooki, but he hasn't actually done barely anything yet. Too few games, he'll mess up loads of teams i think as he'll be played for experience like Killer used to for Oz.
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
November 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#126
Super 6

Main Team
4 (T)firebathero
3 (P)Flying
3 (Z)great
6 (Z)Killer (captain)
6 (T)Leta
3 (Z)Shine
5 CJ Entus

Anti Team
4 (P)free
6 (P)Jangbi
3 (P)M18M

FBH: Had a great season last year until the last few months. Hopefully with shorter seasons now he will stay on form through out.

Flying: Needed a Protoss player, and from the sounds of it the maps might not be in the Protoss' favour very often. Seemed like a decent Protoss pick up for 3 points.

Great: Had some good numbers last season on a deep team, hopefully with ACE he plays more.

Killer: Great last season, and did well in the off season. The new team should boost his performance even more now.

Leta: Solid Terran player, hopefully he does well.

Shine: I just love Shine, I hope he can do well on his new team.

CJ Entus: Spend the big points on a team and pray it pays off.

Anti Team: Protoss players ahoy!
Free: Protoss player for the right price.
Jangbi: Won the OSL, but usually hasn't shown well in Proleague lately.
M18M: Protoss player, only worry is he will get a lot of points for being on ACE.
Brood War forever!
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
November 24 2011 15:54 GMT
#127
Sea captain always and forever. I love just picking a team and not trading lol.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 16:12:59
November 24 2011 16:08 GMT
#128
Flying is like the worst possible choice, you can get Grape for the same points. I only did not get him because of my other choices, but he's infact the highest ELO of any 3 point player and clearly showed potential.

edit: i just changed my team to include him it's like the biggest bargain on there based on last seasons results.. by far
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
November 24 2011 16:18 GMT
#129
Possible error: (P)Minus)Black is listed as a Woongjin player (he's retired) while (Z)fOKINS is on the roster but not listed.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 24 2011 16:25 GMT
#130
Lineup Appearance: +1 Point*

*This point is applied even if your player does not play; he only has to appear in the lineup


Erm, can someone expliain this to me? How can a player appear in the lineup yet not play?
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
November 24 2011 16:30 GMT
#131
On November 25 2011 01:25 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
Lineup Appearance: +1 Point*

*This point is applied even if your player does not play; he only has to appear in the lineup


Erm, can someone expliain this to me? How can a player appear in the lineup yet not play?


Lineup (5 on each team) will be decided before the match begins. I think If a 3-0 happens, they will not play rest of the games.
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
EEhantiming
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 16:50:58
November 24 2011 16:31 GMT
#132
IsuckatFPL

Main Team
4 (P)BeSt
3 (T)Classic
3 (Z)great
3 (Z)HyuK
6 (T)Leta (captain)
6 (T)Light
5 SK Telecom T1

Anti Team
5 (Z)Action
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
4 (Z)ggaemo
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
November 24 2011 16:34 GMT
#133
gAOxI

Main Team
1 (T)Bbyong
He took out decent players last year, so he'll probably get sent out more.
5 (Z)EffOrt
With the return of EffOrt, CJ will probably field him a lot, since hes been doing well in in-house tournaments. He hasn't been far from the game for that long, and hes probably eager to show his skill.
8 (Z)Hydra (captain)
They're going to field him a lot and hes good, so no reason not to. Effort will contend against him for #1 zerg but I have both so its alright.
7 (P)Movie
Same reason as above. He'll either be number 1 or 2 protoss so he'll get a lot of action.
3 (T)sKyHigh
If he unslumps, CJ will be able to take out terrans much more easily. Kinda biased cause skyhigh is #1!
1 (Z)Where
Didn't watch his games but heard he had a pretty good showing despite a limited number of games, probably this year will get more games.
5 CJ Entus
CJ is going to finish #1. I would've added Leta and Horang but they costed too many points. But they'll win a lot of games so it'll be good regardless.

Anti Team
5 (Z)Action
4 (P)Kal
4 (T)Reality

Kinda chose 3 random people on my anti :/
龔智禮 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ CJ NATION
lyAsakura
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-24 16:36:24
November 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#134
I don't think any of the 8+ point players are worth getting since there are so many good 5 and 6 pointers. Predicting that Killer and T8 does really well, Kal and FBH are really good cheap grabs, and I think that woongjin is a better choice as a team than KT, and KT really isn't worth the 5 when they basically have no chance to do better then T8, CJ, or SKT.

Calm for the third straight anti-team pick. Always works.
We need some greater selection in zero pointers. x)
WeMade FOX would be a deadly SC2 team.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
November 24 2011 16:35 GMT
#135
Light is definitely a better choice than Leta, considering not just last round results but also the competition on CJ / WJN. I feel like a lot of the wind was taken out of Leta's sails after either the match fixing scandal or perhaps the loss of the pressure of being Ace... Or maybe it's the girlfriend theory, I dunno.
mtn
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
729 Posts
November 24 2011 16:39 GMT
#136
On November 25 2011 01:35 gen.Sun wrote:
Light is definitely a better choice than Leta, considering not just last round results but also the competition on CJ / WJN. I feel like a lot of the wind was taken out of Leta's sails after either the match fixing scandal or perhaps the loss of the pressure of being Ace... Or maybe it's the girlfriend theory, I dunno.


SPL

Leta. 20 wins - 12 losses (62.50%)

Light. 28 wins - 16 losses (63.64%)


For me they look pretty solid. BOTH of them.
telamascope
Profile Joined April 2010
United States310 Posts
November 24 2011 16:42 GMT
#137
SixSeasons&Movie

Main Team
4 (P)BeSt
4 (Z)Crazy-Hydra
5 (Z)EffOrt
4 (T)firebathero
10 (Z)Jaedong ((T)Captain)
3 (P)sHy
0 Air Force ACE

Anti Team
4 (P)By.Sun
4 free
5 (T)Mind

Best: Pretty decently priced for one of SKT's top 3 players. He was a little streaky last season and there's the risk that the up and coming SKT tosses surpass him, but I think the non-ace format will really suit him.

Crazy-Hydra: He's the KT zerg that I'm hoping will breakthrough this season. He was always playing third string on a team full of good zergs, so I think he'll win out against the streaky KT ones. Plus, he was the one that came up with queens vs mech.

Effort: Absolute bargain at 5 points given his history. The only worry is that Hydra takes away from his potential playing time, but it seems that in interviews he's said that Effort is looking to be the ace of the team.

FBH: What's not to like? Best player on ACE, almost guaranteed to play all potential matches, and at a good price. He was one of the positive spots to my team last season and there's no WL to stop him this time.

Jaedong: Maybe not the wisest use of 10 points, but as a fanboy there was no way I was going to leave him out :D

Shy: The greatest rookie protoss from Oz is now on a team that desperately needs a solid toss. I'm looking for this to be his breakout season to secure him a spot in Woonjin's lineup.

ACE: Had to choose them in order to spend more on players, but at least it gives more incentive to root for them!


Anti-Team

By.Sun : Another gamble here. He was the best of the newer SKT tosses, but I'm hoping that the new Bo5 format and surplus of tosses on SKT will limit his chance to play.

Free: Slumped almost all of last season, I'm hoping he continues his slide this year.

Mind: He's established, but I don't think there's much of a place for him on KT with Flash being so strong and Barracks having something to prove.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
November 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#138
Tppz

Main Team
2 (T)BarrackS
5 (Z)EffOrt
10 (T)Flash (captain)
4 (Z)n.Die_soO
3 (Z)Perfective
1 (P)Sang
5 Team 8

Anti Team
4 (P)By.Sun
4 (Z)HoeJJa
5 (P)Tyson


I am so bad at this :D

Flash Fanboypick even though Bisu would be a better pick (in my opinion)
Neede a 2 point player -> read some BarrackS. Get BarrackS!
I was impressed with Perfectives wins in very important situations. Get Perfective.
Eff0rt? Rad a lot about him. Only 5 points? Dunno lol :D
n.Die_soO? He is a good player. Read his name a lot in powerranks. Also he is SKT.
Sang? Needed a 1 pointer. He si in Team 8. Dont know if the ones i know that have 1 point are good or bad. So I pick him. He will roll all over his opponents!

Picked Taem 8 cause they have so many highlevel players. KT wont be able to win this season cause there is no Ace match. SKT and CJ seemed to be better in the league anyways. But gotta give it to Jaedongs Team!

Antiteam?
13/3= 4,333
Get 2 4s and one 5. None of the weaker teams. Pls dont kill m!

Any thoughts? ^.^
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
November 24 2011 16:50 GMT
#139
On November 25 2011 01:39 mtn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 01:35 gen.Sun wrote:
Light is definitely a better choice than Leta, considering not just last round results but also the competition on CJ / WJN. I feel like a lot of the wind was taken out of Leta's sails after either the match fixing scandal or perhaps the loss of the pressure of being Ace... Or maybe it's the girlfriend theory, I dunno.


SPL

Leta. 20 wins - 12 losses (62.50%)

Light. 28 wins - 16 losses (63.64%)


For me they look pretty solid. BOTH of them.

Go by their results since winners league though and its

Leta 8 -6

Light 18-6

And bear in mind that ratio doesn't really matter as losses just end up as zero because of lineup appearances. So the more wins the better. And as those numbers show, Light just gets played a hell of a lot more than Leta.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
November 24 2011 16:52 GMT
#140
It's really funny to see that people are still picking roro for their anti-teams.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
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