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On December 17 2011 00:13 BachHo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 23:48 VGhost wrote:On December 16 2011 19:50 hakha wrote:
I dont know why so little picked hydra....i made my team and then got shocked at how little picked him.
Hes worth less than bisu and the extra 2 value allows you to make some risks with money The thing about Hydra is that EffOrt was coming back, and was priced much cheaper (5) despite all the rumors saying he was back to his old form (which he clearly isn't, quite, but he's still very good). With CJ being very deep, I think people were a little reluctant to go all-in on an expensive player when most of us were expecting some kind of rotation (EffOrt-Hydra-Leta-Horang2-Movie-Snow-sKyHigh?-BByong?-etc.) with only five games and the real possibility most matches wouldn't make it to five. Of course, so far EffOrt and Hydra have played every match, which while being the most logical thing to do wasn't a guaranteed thing, either. Agreed. Also Hydra being 8 was just too pricey in trying to create a balanced team for the season. Without ace match and the chance of players doubling up on points daily through it, not worthwhile enough from a strategical standpoint.
I understand the whole effort and hydra clashing business but only 55ish ppl chose him and that's what surprised me. He looked REALLY good in both individual and team leagues
I do agree about the balanced team issue and I did struggle with it resorting to piano and bbyong to make it work. But I think it's turned out pretty well from my team. Just hoping my anti doesn't rape me hard later =="
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On December 17 2011 00:38 hakha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:13 BachHo wrote:On December 16 2011 23:48 VGhost wrote:On December 16 2011 19:50 hakha wrote:
I dont know why so little picked hydra....i made my team and then got shocked at how little picked him.
Hes worth less than bisu and the extra 2 value allows you to make some risks with money The thing about Hydra is that EffOrt was coming back, and was priced much cheaper (5) despite all the rumors saying he was back to his old form (which he clearly isn't, quite, but he's still very good). With CJ being very deep, I think people were a little reluctant to go all-in on an expensive player when most of us were expecting some kind of rotation (EffOrt-Hydra-Leta-Horang2-Movie-Snow-sKyHigh?-BByong?-etc.) with only five games and the real possibility most matches wouldn't make it to five. Of course, so far EffOrt and Hydra have played every match, which while being the most logical thing to do wasn't a guaranteed thing, either. Agreed. Also Hydra being 8 was just too pricey in trying to create a balanced team for the season. Without ace match and the chance of players doubling up on points daily through it, not worthwhile enough from a strategical standpoint. I understand the whole effort and hydra clashing business but only 55ish ppl chose him and that's what surprised me. He looked REALLY good in both individual and team leagues I do agree about the balanced team issue and I did struggle with it resorting to piano and bbyong to make it work. But I think it's turned out pretty well from my team. Just hoping my anti doesn't rape me hard later =="
Yeah I think you made a solid pick with Hydra. Gamble, but all good players are, and he's paying off now. He was definitely one of the good picks by his stats. I like your team overall, nice mix of players. Best (seriously, he is the best pick of the round) Effort, (gamble, but he's a good pick and paying), Tyson is a bit iffy for 5 but he might pay off (Mind certainly hasn't either so far :p). And Piano and BByong are doing well for you so nice picks.
Only thing I can fault you on is your anti team dude. Yikes! Light? He's only gone 1-2 so far but that's because he ran into Best and Effort, 2 other great players. He could easily be 3-0 right now. He went like 18-6 last normal rounds of PL. Calm and Modesty are fine though, I almost had Calm myself till I switched him for Snow (not sure how that will work out long-run). Action was probably a better 5 pointer, just because he's never been as good as Calm. I always feel scared taking players like Calm/free/Kal even if they're slumping because they're proven and could pick up at any time.
For you sake I hope Light slumps and for my sake I hope he owns  Good luck!
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kal gets to play in matches starting today fyi
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On December 17 2011 03:08 Milkis wrote:
kal gets to play in matches starting today fyi
Hope he kills some anti-teams :D
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On December 17 2011 03:14 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 03:08 Milkis wrote:
kal gets to play in matches starting today fyi Hope he kills some anti-teams :D
Good! And me too. I felt sorry for all the people who had him main-teamed and annoyed that some had him as a free anti team.
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kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything
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On December 17 2011 05:41 Milkis wrote:
kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything
Oh hell no - source?
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On December 16 2011 19:17 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Were I less of a fanboy my team would probably look more like: Effort, Sun, wookie, jangbi, Turn, killer.
I love the 4/5/6 point range, so many viable risks to take, but yeah, it would take alot more to go my way than if i just stacked everyone from 1 team :D
Would you care to explain why would have chosen Jangbi and Killer (before the season started?), over the other 6 pointers that were available - for example soulkey, light. ?
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[QUOTE]On December 16 2011 15:22 Subversive wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2011 03:48 miercat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The basic strategy for choosing a successful/winning FPL team, is to choose a (main)team that makes best use of the 30 points available (best cost benefit ratio); if a selection from the 10 or so players on one team, is presumably best able to satisfy this requirement, then that is a fine strategic decision - if the players on one team do not presumably best satisfy the requirement, then a limited selection from the ~10 players on one team is an unnecessary and detrimental restriction. Whether or not the last FPL team won with players from only one team, and whether or not these types of teams should be allowed to win, seems fairly irrelevant, because in general it will be much more difficult to win in this manner (well done and congratulations to anyone who can manage this). Additionally, with regards to FPL, with the exception of the consideration of "+1 team win points," the conceptualization of players belonging to a certain team, is mostly just an arbitrary/irrelevant grouping, which may or may not serve to limit the selection of players for an individual - in the same manner, an individual will often unnecessarily limit "his" choices to a number of his favourite players - in this case, and in the other, I don't know if it would really be a matter of luck, so much as someone just choosing a sub optimal, or simply, bad team - if such a team did win, it would be neither here nor there, because an individual result in this case would not be too important - true success would be determined in the long run(over multiple trials) by making effective decisions based on the available information. - additionally, because individuals often unnecessarily restrict their selection pool for a variety of reasons, discriminating against just one source of restriction - in this case, selecting from 1 team - would set a precedent that would be difficult to follow, if not impossible. When someone picks players from only 1 team it is usually just fan picks. They aren't looking at how they think a team or certain players will do. The fact it's harder to win with such a team doesn't warrant congratulations in my book. It just means they got really lucky.
[quote]You say its irrelevant the conceptualisation that players belong to one team. But that's wrong. Because the +1 team points isn't a small thing at all - CJ's wins to date show this (as do a lot of people's anti teams).[/quote]
Well, my actual statement was: Additionally, with regards to FPL, with the exception of the consideration of "+1 team win points," the conceptualization of players belonging to a certain team, is mostly just an arbitrary/irrelevant grouping, which may or may not serve to limit the selection of players for an individual - in the same manner, an individual will often unnecessarily limit "his" choices to a number of his favourite players..."
- The reason that the conceptualization can be arbitrary, is, for one, because, as you commented earlier "when someone picks players from only 1 team it is usually just fan picks," - which is exactly the situation I referenced in my original message.
- I clearly referenced the importance of +1 team points in the original message, but even then, this is not specifically relevant with regards to arbitrary team picking, because: 1.If they are picking a team because of its +1 potential, this is clearly a strategic attempt towards gaining points in the standings. 2. Individuals often are fans of poor teams and select players from these teams, and in this case, the +1 team points consideration is apparently irrelevant to them.
[quote]Should people still pick these teams and should they occasionally win? Of course, that's part of the fun of FPL! I just don't credit someone as playing really well when they fan-pick a bunch of players from their favourite team and it goes on an unusual tear.
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If this was what you had originally written, then I would have agreed, and had no reason to write a response.
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On December 17 2011 03:06 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 00:38 hakha wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 BachHo wrote:On December 16 2011 23:48 VGhost wrote:On December 16 2011 19:50 hakha wrote:
I dont know why so little picked hydra....i made my team and then got shocked at how little picked him.
Hes worth less than bisu and the extra 2 value allows you to make some risks with money The thing about Hydra is that EffOrt was coming back, and was priced much cheaper (5) despite all the rumors saying he was back to his old form (which he clearly isn't, quite, but he's still very good). With CJ being very deep, I think people were a little reluctant to go all-in on an expensive player when most of us were expecting some kind of rotation (EffOrt-Hydra-Leta-Horang2-Movie-Snow-sKyHigh?-BByong?-etc.) with only five games and the real possibility most matches wouldn't make it to five. Of course, so far EffOrt and Hydra have played every match, which while being the most logical thing to do wasn't a guaranteed thing, either. Agreed. Also Hydra being 8 was just too pricey in trying to create a balanced team for the season. Without ace match and the chance of players doubling up on points daily through it, not worthwhile enough from a strategical standpoint. I understand the whole effort and hydra clashing business but only 55ish ppl chose him and that's what surprised me. He looked REALLY good in both individual and team leagues I do agree about the balanced team issue and I did struggle with it resorting to piano and bbyong to make it work. But I think it's turned out pretty well from my team. Just hoping my anti doesn't rape me hard later ==" Yeah I think you made a solid pick with Hydra. Gamble, but all good players are, and he's paying off now. He was definitely one of the good picks by his stats. I like your team overall, nice mix of players. Best (seriously, he is the best pick of the round) Effort, (gamble, but he's a good pick and paying), Tyson is a bit iffy for 5 but he might pay off (Mind certainly hasn't either so far :p). And Piano and BByong are doing well for you so nice picks. Only thing I can fault you on is your anti team dude. Yikes! Light? He's only gone 1-2 so far but that's because he ran into Best and Effort, 2 other great players. He could easily be 3-0 right now. He went like 18-6 last normal rounds of PL. Calm and Modesty are fine though, I almost had Calm myself till I switched him for Snow (not sure how that will work out long-run). Action was probably a better 5 pointer, just because he's never been as good as Calm. I always feel scared taking players like Calm/free/Kal even if they're slumping because they're proven and could pick up at any time. For you sake I hope Light slumps and for my sake I hope he owns Good luck!
Haha that was a great analysis of my team! Yea Tyson was a big risk and so far I'm not too happy with him. But if team 8 keeps winning his score will still be pretty decent.
Yea anti. Lol. Took huge risk with light. Iono Action seems like a great choice but I've been a fan and always hoping he goes back to his eSTRO form.
I'm scared abt free and others as well but with snow, he's likely guaranteed a point for team wins and that could get ugly with cj playing so hot. Like it's only a small thing but they add up pretty big after a while like bbyong
Good luk to you too!
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I'm pretty happy to be at ~#121, but the gap between me and the leaders is astounding...
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On December 17 2011 07:58 miercat wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2011 15:22 Subversive wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 16 2011 03:48 miercat wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The basic strategy for choosing a successful/winning FPL team, is to choose a (main)team that makes best use of the 30 points available (best cost benefit ratio); if a selection from the 10 or so players on one team, is presumably best able to satisfy this requirement, then that is a fine strategic decision - if the players on one team do not presumably best satisfy the requirement, then a limited selection from the ~10 players on one team is an unnecessary and detrimental restriction. Whether or not the last FPL team won with players from only one team, and whether or not these types of teams should be allowed to win, seems fairly irrelevant, because in general it will be much more difficult to win in this manner (well done and congratulations to anyone who can manage this). Additionally, with regards to FPL, with the exception of the consideration of "+1 team win points," the conceptualization of players belonging to a certain team, is mostly just an arbitrary/irrelevant grouping, which may or may not serve to limit the selection of players for an individual - in the same manner, an individual will often unnecessarily limit "his" choices to a number of his favourite players - in this case, and in the other, I don't know if it would really be a matter of luck, so much as someone just choosing a sub optimal, or simply, bad team - if such a team did win, it would be neither here nor there, because an individual result in this case would not be too important - true success would be determined in the long run(over multiple trials) by making effective decisions based on the available information. - additionally, because individuals often unnecessarily restrict their selection pool for a variety of reasons, discriminating against just one source of restriction - in this case, selecting from 1 team - would set a precedent that would be difficult to follow, if not impossible. When someone picks players from only 1 team it is usually just fan picks. They aren't looking at how they think a team or certain players will do. The fact it's harder to win with such a team doesn't warrant congratulations in my book. It just means they got really lucky. Show nested quote +You say its irrelevant the conceptualisation that players belong to one team. But that's wrong. Because the +1 team points isn't a small thing at all - CJ's wins to date show this (as do a lot of people's anti teams). Well, my actual statement was: Additionally, with regards to FPL, with the exception of the consideration of "+1 team win points," the conceptualization of players belonging to a certain team, is mostly just an arbitrary/irrelevant grouping, which may or may not serve to limit the selection of players for an individual - in the same manner, an individual will often unnecessarily limit "his" choices to a number of his favourite players..." - The reason that the conceptualization can be arbitrary, is, for one, because, as you commented earlier "when someone picks players from only 1 team it is usually just fan picks," - which is exactly the situation I referenced in my original message. - I clearly referenced the importance of +1 team points in the original message, but even then, this is not specifically relevant with regards to arbitrary team picking, because: 1. If they are picking a team because of its +1 potential, this is clearly a strategic attempt towards gaining points in the standings. 2. Individuals often are fans of poor teams and select players from these teams, and in this case, the +1 team points consideration is apparently irrelevant to them. Show nested quote +Should people still pick these teams and should they occasionally win? Of course, that's part of the fun of FPL! I just don't credit someone as playing really well when they fan-pick a bunch of players from their favourite team and it goes on an unusual tear.
If this was what you had originally written, then I would have agreed, and had no reason to write a response.
It is what I originally wrote - I've been fairly consistent in my argument. I don't really know what you're arguing as we don't seem to be on the same page (but I don't care either, lets leave it). Also, I'm not sure what you're doing when quoting... anyway.
On December 17 2011 10:02 hakha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 03:06 Subversive wrote:On December 17 2011 00:38 hakha wrote:On December 17 2011 00:13 BachHo wrote:On December 16 2011 23:48 VGhost wrote:On December 16 2011 19:50 hakha wrote:
I dont know why so little picked hydra....i made my team and then got shocked at how little picked him.
Hes worth less than bisu and the extra 2 value allows you to make some risks with money The thing about Hydra is that EffOrt was coming back, and was priced much cheaper (5) despite all the rumors saying he was back to his old form (which he clearly isn't, quite, but he's still very good). With CJ being very deep, I think people were a little reluctant to go all-in on an expensive player when most of us were expecting some kind of rotation (EffOrt-Hydra-Leta-Horang2-Movie-Snow-sKyHigh?-BByong?-etc.) with only five games and the real possibility most matches wouldn't make it to five. Of course, so far EffOrt and Hydra have played every match, which while being the most logical thing to do wasn't a guaranteed thing, either. Agreed. Also Hydra being 8 was just too pricey in trying to create a balanced team for the season. Without ace match and the chance of players doubling up on points daily through it, not worthwhile enough from a strategical standpoint. I understand the whole effort and hydra clashing business but only 55ish ppl chose him and that's what surprised me. He looked REALLY good in both individual and team leagues I do agree about the balanced team issue and I did struggle with it resorting to piano and bbyong to make it work. But I think it's turned out pretty well from my team. Just hoping my anti doesn't rape me hard later ==" Yeah I think you made a solid pick with Hydra. Gamble, but all good players are, and he's paying off now. He was definitely one of the good picks by his stats. I like your team overall, nice mix of players. Best (seriously, he is the best pick of the round) Effort, (gamble, but he's a good pick and paying), Tyson is a bit iffy for 5 but he might pay off (Mind certainly hasn't either so far :p). And Piano and BByong are doing well for you so nice picks. Only thing I can fault you on is your anti team dude. Yikes! Light? He's only gone 1-2 so far but that's because he ran into Best and Effort, 2 other great players. He could easily be 3-0 right now. He went like 18-6 last normal rounds of PL. Calm and Modesty are fine though, I almost had Calm myself till I switched him for Snow (not sure how that will work out long-run). Action was probably a better 5 pointer, just because he's never been as good as Calm. I always feel scared taking players like Calm/free/Kal even if they're slumping because they're proven and could pick up at any time. For you sake I hope Light slumps and for my sake I hope he owns Good luck! Haha that was a great analysis of my team! Yea Tyson was a big risk and so far I'm not too happy with him. But if team 8 keeps winning his score will still be pretty decent. Yea anti. Lol. Took huge risk with light. Iono Action seems like a great choice but I've been a fan and always hoping he goes back to his eSTRO form. I'm scared abt free and others as well but with snow, he's likely guaranteed a point for team wins and that could get ugly with cj playing so hot. Like it's only a small thing but they add up pretty big after a while like bbyong Good luk to you too!
Yeah team points certainly do 
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Sweet, a win for Piano and Stork, and a 3-1 victory for Khan! I made out pretty well tonight...
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On December 17 2011 07:19 miercat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 05:41 Milkis wrote:
kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything Oh hell no - source?
Not remotely surprising, even a slumping Kal is better than the rest of their roster
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On December 17 2011 16:56 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 07:19 miercat wrote:On December 17 2011 05:41 Milkis wrote:
kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything Oh hell no - source? Not remotely surprising, even a slumping Kal is better than the rest of their roster
What are you talking about, look at the talent on that team: piano, canata, ggaemo...
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On December 17 2011 17:00 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 16:56 Scarecrow wrote:On December 17 2011 07:19 miercat wrote:On December 17 2011 05:41 Milkis wrote:
kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything Oh hell no - source? Not remotely surprising, even a slumping Kal is better than the rest of their roster What are you talking about, look at the talent on that team: piano, canata, ggaemo...
Kal is high A class when performing well, he can be even with these guys when he's pretty down.
I can only imagine Stork in Ace. @_@
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On December 17 2011 17:50 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 17:00 Subversive wrote:On December 17 2011 16:56 Scarecrow wrote:On December 17 2011 07:19 miercat wrote:On December 17 2011 05:41 Milkis wrote:
kal is #1 in ace rankings if that means anything Oh hell no - source? Not remotely surprising, even a slumping Kal is better than the rest of their roster What are you talking about, look at the talent on that team: piano, canata, ggaemo... Kal is high A class when performing well, he can be even with these guys when he's pretty down. I can only imagine Stork in Ace. @_@
Haha dude I was joking. Of course Kal is the best on Ace right now. Piano and ggaemo were horrible before ace.
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I feel like i need to trade soon. Bogus is going to be pretty much the low point in this round, and effort/hydra near their top. Flash/Bisu going to become so much more valuable because of win streak breaks.
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How many wins is needed for a loss to count as a win streak break? Is it 2 or 3 coz u only get the 2-game win streak when they win their 3rd game.
Nuuuuuu stx trolling my anti team so hard. -5 from modesty winning and having clam. And best failed me today. Dislike. T8 better rip it up tomorrow to get me back some points otherwise the leader will be so far away
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