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BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 04 2011 19:38 GMT
#21
Dont forget about ACE. We havent heard from them all summer. While the other teams were chilling at their vacation resorts and receiving massages in bath houses, these guys must have been training day in day out. Remember, in army there is no vacation, you sserve when you serve. I can very well see the success of FBH and Ggaemo last season pumping up the rest of the team for solid performance in proleague.
MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
November 04 2011 19:40 GMT
#22
Dream Team #1:Because they are best.

about 2345678

i dont care.
IdrA "TT1 actually fucked up and didn't see the hatchery,so im at a really big advantage right now,assuming he reacts intelligently which is not something you should assume with TT1"
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
November 04 2011 19:43 GMT
#23
Mind+wooki additions might be too much for SKT
We'll see
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 22:49:57
November 04 2011 20:39 GMT
#24
It's so hard to predict things like this before they happen. Lots of teams have different strengths and weaknesses on paper...but they could be totally wrong or different in game. This might not be who wins proleague this season but I think this will closely represent my opinions on a team rank :D

I ended up writing a TON more than planned.... :x

#1 CJ: + Show Spoiler +
I'm putting CJ here because of their really, really solid team. Horang2 stepped his game up a ton. Movie is looking like his former self. Snow has kind of faded out but he's still deadly at time - see Snow vs JD (contender for best series of last season, imo). Hydra is absurdly strong, just needs to focus on consistent strength instead of bursts of absurdly good playing ability. Leta has been playing for the ace position at CJ up there with Hydra. They even have reliable snipers and rookies, and people like Skyhigh and Hero for clutch matches. Effort has supposedly been tearing up the in house tournaments so the potential for him to return as strong as his previous self is possible. Frightening team for other coaches to be up against. They have SO many options it's got to be difficult to prepare.


#2 KT: + Show Spoiler +
Flash lol. Stats has been playing as a great second ace for KT recently, and I highly doubt he is going to slip up anytime soon. Newest acquisition Mind is a pretty consistently good player. Not someone to rely your team on, but I think Mind is going to benefit from being on the same team as Flash - he's better than Barracks and Suny by far so he can benefit a lot more from Flash's higher level. Hoejja basically turned the PL Finals around for KT, and he's been playing better and better. I feel like he will be a major player in this season's KT team, plus...he's Hoejja and an awesome old school player. I really dislike Action but he is a solid 75%-tier zerg, not consistent enough to be a major game-changer but he's not someone other teams can roll over easily. Perfective gets a shout-out here because he is named very appropriate. You see this guy in post season? "Fuck losing, I'm perfect." Similar to CJ, they have other players like Crazy-Hydra, BarrackS, Tempest that can take a game from time to time as well.


#3 SKT: + Show Spoiler +
Third and Fourth are basically a tie, however I am giving SKT the edge to the #3 spot. Bisu has been playing strong lately, more consistant than he used to and the team has a pretty reliable ace now. Fanboy shield activated, but Bisu was NOT a reliable ace player for a long time, but I think he's back. Fantasy is putting up the results in the individual leagues where Bisu cannot, I know it's been said a million times but Fantasy is a huge preparation style player, I feel like...maybe not the hugest asset in PL but he's a force to be reckoned with. The problem I see in SKT is that they have so many unreliables. Protoss battle-buddy Best is just hit or miss, but plays good Starcraft for sure. Soo has turned on the afterburner lately, but he's still more of a "sniper" in my eyes. s2 isn't anything to write home about, Hyuk has a meme started after him for a reason, Ssak, Sun, Paralyze...maybe they will surprise us after the off season.


#4 Dream Team: + Show Spoiler +
Fourth was given to Dream Team just because I feel like they are going to need more time together to really put up the results. I feel like once they are in their "groove" they will do VERY well. Jaedong is obviously the team ace, you might say...I'm not so sure. He's got some hurdles to go through, and I hate to say it but I think someone else might take the ace spot here. Baby was on fire last season, and it feels like he may have either exhausted himself or burnt out. I think he's going to come back strong after a rest and post team drama. Sea is just brutally consistent in PL, and he's still a great player ( maybe he will read this :o <3 ) and with a new coach might be able to break through his Individual league curse! Killer is a great backup zerg to the team, he's benefited quite a bit from being the second zerg on Hwaesung, and has been getting better every season. Jaehoon is in the same boat as Killer, he's shon a lot of improvement, hopefully the new coach can get Jaehoon's stage nerves out of his system somehow. I feel like that is his largest limiter, is nerves. No backups for this team, really, though....so we'll see. Tyson definitely has a lot of headroom to improve, and I think he will benefit a lot from being on a team with a lot of skilled players.


The rest are kind of tough to rank.

#5 Samsung KHAN: + Show Spoiler +
Jangbi is back in dragon form, and I bet he's going to start kicking some major ass in the up-coming season. Hopefully no OSL slump here. Kind of banking on that actually for this spot, haha. Stork was actually starting to put some results together last season, and I think that he's capable of putting out some wins in this up coming season, inspired by his protoss brother. New acquisition Roro will help out the most race imbalanced team in the league (seriously KHAN is like 90% protoss 10% meh) and as the destroyer of antiteams will definitely make a mark in PL this season. Brave, Grape, Sharp, Turn round out the rest of this team, with ELOs all sitting within a 100 point range of Stork. I'd say KHAN has the team with "best of the middle class" stamped on it this year.


#6 Airforce ACE: + Show Spoiler +
It feels wrong to put these guys here, and I feel like they are going to be in Samsung territory. Kal is a great player and might bring some much needed change to the Ace lineup. Firebathero is no longer one to slouch at, he brought out the big guns last season and I anticipate him doing so again this year. Ggaemo had some good face time, similar to FBH, and started picking up the PL pieces and took some key wins. Iris has been taking the lead of FBH and put up a handful of good results last season. Great is well...not all that great, but you can't count out some good games from him; hive tech ZvZ is not a thing of the past and I hope great gets to show us this again. Piano, Canata, Orion, were all part of last season's good placement and they have nowhere to go but up from here. I think ACE will be the big upset this season.


#7 Woongjin Stars: + Show Spoiler +
Again #5, #6 and #7 are practically interchangeable. In the end, these teams are probably the least predictable...they could do better or worse. Zero is here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and he's all out of gum. Fun fact: Zero is currently #3 ELO rank! (by 3 points..) He did really well and his results are looking sharp. I imagine another good year for Zero this season. Backing him up is Neo.G.Soulkey, different in playstyles but similar in results. Certainly another one of those "proleague stars" that I think will be shaking the chains this year, keep an eye out for him in ace matches. Free is just about as inconsistent as Best, however Free is much more fun to watch...not that it means anything for a "power rank" but the man knows how to beat your head in with a psyblade. A strong free is a pretty scary and easy-to-lose-against free. is another regular PL beast, on some absurd zerg killing streak, and I think will have another good season, as he seemed to be pick up his game near the end of last season (P.S. it's Light.). Their new pickup Shy is nothing to scoff at either, not the greatest player in his own right, but has something to prove now that he's not buried in other players. We should get to see some air time and see what he's capable of this season.


#8 STX SouL: + Show Spoiler [whiny pathetic bitch rant] +
I hate putting my team so far down here, but I'm just...not sure this year. Maybe I'm a terrible fan, but find any STX diehard and you'll see we've all got the same bummed/depressed face on. It's different than being a Khan or Stars fan because we don't put up individual league results either. I REALLY hope this year is different, but I'm not expecting in. Inconsistency is the name of the STX game, I'm afraid.

+ Show Spoiler [Write up] +
With Kal now in the air force, we are missing a major player in our lineup. Bogus went from getting a win now and then to hardly ever losing. The guy tore PL a new one, against ALL teams. Hopefully mini-Flash can keep it up this year. Similar to Hyuk, Calm/Clam has a meme started up after him for a reason. If Calm plays well, he plays outstanding, but it's often a coin flip. You either get an impressively good game or a depressingly bad game. Shuttle is the new protoss ace, and as the team captain, I hope he takes his inconsistent game play and shoves it out the door. He took a few games from Flash last year in a convincing fashion but wasn't able to put it together for the rest of the season. Modesty started showing some promise near the end of the season, so there's hope that we will continue to see results out of him as well. Hero, Classic, hyvaa, and Last are all capable of a game now and then, hopefully someone steps up and takes charge in that group. Newest pick up Dear is not a bad player by any means, defeating Stats and Stork with ease on his previous team, so we will see where the STX staff takes him.


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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
November 05 2011 00:11 GMT
#25
On November 05 2011 05:39 Torenhire wrote:


#8 STX SouL: + Show Spoiler [whiny pathetic bitch rant] +
I hate putting my team so far down here, but I'm just...not sure this year. Maybe I'm a terrible fan, but find any STX diehard and you'll see we've all got the same bummed/depressed face on. It's different than being a Khan or Stars fan because we don't put up individual league results either. I REALLY hope this year is different, but I'm not expecting in. Inconsistency is the name of the STX game, I'm afraid.

+ Show Spoiler [Write up] +
With Kal now in the air force, we are missing a major player in our lineup. Bogus went from getting a win now and then to hardly ever losing. The guy tore PL a new one, against ALL teams. Hopefully mini-Flash can keep it up this year. Similar to Hyuk, Calm/Clam has a meme started up after him for a reason. If Calm plays well, he plays outstanding, but it's often a coin flip. You either get an impressively good game or a depressingly bad game. Shuttle is the new protoss ace, and as the team captain, I hope he takes his inconsistent game play and shoves it out the door. He took a few games from Flash last year in a convincing fashion but wasn't able to put it together for the rest of the season. Modesty started showing some promise near the end of the season, so there's hope that we will continue to see results out of him as well. Hero, Classic, hyvaa, and Last are all capable of a game now and then, hopefully someone steps up and takes charge in that group. Newest pick up Dear is not a bad player by any means, defeating Stats and Stork with ease on his previous team, so we will see where the STX staff takes him.




To me I really can't tell if STX will be at the bottom or pull things together. Bogus seemed to be on fire near the end of last season, but with such a big break it will be hard to predict if he can keep that momentum going. Calm has streaks of brilliance, which usually show up near the beginning of each season. with kal gone there will definitely be some more playtime for hyvaa/classic/modesty, and hopefully one of them can pull through.

on the other hand, STX still made the playoffs last season with the same roster (with kal having a horrible winrate but still playing each match), and came closer to beating KT in the playoffs than any other team. I'd like to see STX pick up shine or hiya, but regardless I remain optimistic about the next season.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
November 05 2011 00:15 GMT
#26
completely agree with Torenhire. Had the same list
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
November 05 2011 00:39 GMT
#27
On November 05 2011 09:11 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 05:39 Torenhire wrote:


#8 STX SouL: + Show Spoiler [whiny pathetic bitch rant] +
I hate putting my team so far down here, but I'm just...not sure this year. Maybe I'm a terrible fan, but find any STX diehard and you'll see we've all got the same bummed/depressed face on. It's different than being a Khan or Stars fan because we don't put up individual league results either. I REALLY hope this year is different, but I'm not expecting in. Inconsistency is the name of the STX game, I'm afraid.

+ Show Spoiler [Write up] +
With Kal now in the air force, we are missing a major player in our lineup. Bogus went from getting a win now and then to hardly ever losing. The guy tore PL a new one, against ALL teams. Hopefully mini-Flash can keep it up this year. Similar to Hyuk, Calm/Clam has a meme started up after him for a reason. If Calm plays well, he plays outstanding, but it's often a coin flip. You either get an impressively good game or a depressingly bad game. Shuttle is the new protoss ace, and as the team captain, I hope he takes his inconsistent game play and shoves it out the door. He took a few games from Flash last year in a convincing fashion but wasn't able to put it together for the rest of the season. Modesty started showing some promise near the end of the season, so there's hope that we will continue to see results out of him as well. Hero, Classic, hyvaa, and Last are all capable of a game now and then, hopefully someone steps up and takes charge in that group. Newest pick up Dear is not a bad player by any means, defeating Stats and Stork with ease on his previous team, so we will see where the STX staff takes him.




To me I really can't tell if STX will be at the bottom or pull things together. Bogus seemed to be on fire near the end of last season, but with such a big break it will be hard to predict if he can keep that momentum going. Calm has streaks of brilliance, which usually show up near the beginning of each season. with kal gone there will definitely be some more playtime for hyvaa/classic/modesty, and hopefully one of them can pull through.

on the other hand, STX still made the playoffs last season with the same roster (with kal having a horrible winrate but still playing each match), and came closer to beating KT in the playoffs than any other team. I'd like to see STX pick up shine or hiya, but regardless I remain optimistic about the next season.


Have some faith. Just a bit of faith can go a long way, and remember why we are fans in the first place - we know what these players are capable of. Sure, at times things look bad, but if we DO perform, not even the Evil Empire has a chance. We were the first to break the invincible Evil Empire and it's despicable ace. We made that same undefeatable ace cry in OSL. We were the only ones who 4-0-d KT in the playoffs with Flash playing. We were the ones who pulled it together in the last few games of the season to make the playoffs. Give us time and we'll bash some heads.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 05 2011 00:42 GMT
#28
(P)Kal and (Z)great in ACE. You guys seriously under-estimate ACE.
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
November 05 2011 00:43 GMT
#29
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
November 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#30
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Jaehoon is not a scrub, not in the slightest. He has better results than Tyson
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 00:47:51
November 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#31
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
November 05 2011 00:57 GMT
#32
On November 05 2011 04:12 villageidiot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 04:07 RoieTRS wrote:
Is this effort's first season back?
I doubt he's godtier status again.
CJ should be #6


Why? They were second in last year proleague and just failed to win final... and EffOrts form won't be bigger obstacle than new team chemistry. Stars also lost Really.


Third ircc. : )

CJ is all clutch and all, but they seem to they seem to really underperform in the playoffs. I wish skyhigh played more, snow were more consistent in the later rounds and they pump effort and leta with steriods for aces : )
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 05 2011 00:58 GMT
#33
I was so close to getting top 4 correct last year but KT had to go and beat SKT. GL rankers.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
November 05 2011 01:42 GMT
#34
On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too.

jaedong lost his last 2 games,
baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea

bisu is 9/10

k
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 02:39:01
November 05 2011 01:51 GMT
#35
In the end nothing is gonna change, KT and SKT are still 1-2 everyone else still sucks.

CJ overrated Effort is gonna retire in less than 6 months after going 0-5 or something in proleague.

Dream Team looks solid, still gonna go barely 50/50 in games. Jaedong sucks now. Sea's OK but not great, plenty of comparable players floating around out there and plenty better. Baby has always sucked Killer's not actually good, it'll be a miracle if Jaehoon Tyson go above 40 percent winrates.

Khan closest to giving KT SKT a run for their money but Stork still sucks. Rest of the team is solid though.

STX sucks more than anyone and is the worst team ever though. 8th place here we come.
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MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
November 05 2011 01:58 GMT
#36
On November 05 2011 10:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
In the end nothing is gonna change, KT and SKT are still 1-2 everyone else still sucks.

CJ overrated Effort is gonna retire in less than 6 months after going 0-5 or something in proleague.

Dream Team looks solid, still gonna go barely 50/50 in games. Jaedong sucks now. Sea's OK but not great, plenty of comparable players floating around out there and plenty better. Baby has always sucked Killer's not actually good, it'll be a miracle if Jaehoon Tyson go above 40 percent winrates.

Khan closest to giving KT SKT a run for their money but Stork still sucks. Rest of the team is solid though.

10 bucks say DreamTeam(team KeSPA) will ruin KT-SKT final and becoming champion.
IdrA "TT1 actually fucked up and didn't see the hatchery,so im at a really big advantage right now,assuming he reacts intelligently which is not something you should assume with TT1"
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 02:04:35
November 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#37
On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too.

jaedong lost his last 2 games,
baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea

bisu is 9/10

k


In the end nothing is gonna change, KT and SKT are still 1-2 everyone else still sucks.

CJ overrated Effort is gonna retire in less than 6 months after going 0-5 or something in proleague.

Dream Team looks solid, still gonna go barely 50/50 in games. Jaedong sucks now. Sea's OK but not great, plenty of comparable players floating around out there and plenty better. Baby has always sucked Killer's not actually good, it'll be a miracle if Jaehoon Tyson go above 40 percent winrates.

Khan closest to giving KT SKT a run for their money but Stork still sucks. Rest of the team is solid though.


Jaehoon has won 15 of his last 20 games with noticeable scalps like Zero, Calm, Snow, Shuttle, free and ggaemo.

Jaedong is capable of bouncing back, that's what all legends do. It's also not a stretch to think that he was distracted, what with Oz disbanding and his grandfather's ill health which culminated into his passing. It is only human to be off your game in that situation.
Baby is still developing and his losses were to guys like Bisu, Jangbi in Zeus mode and Killer in minidong mode.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
November 05 2011 02:06 GMT
#38
On November 05 2011 10:58 cklrkzk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 10:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
In the end nothing is gonna change, KT and SKT are still 1-2 everyone else still sucks.

CJ overrated Effort is gonna retire in less than 6 months after going 0-5 or something in proleague.

Dream Team looks solid, still gonna go barely 50/50 in games. Jaedong sucks now. Sea's OK but not great, plenty of comparable players floating around out there and plenty better. Baby has always sucked Killer's not actually good, it'll be a miracle if Jaehoon Tyson go above 40 percent winrates.

Khan closest to giving KT SKT a run for their money but Stork still sucks. Rest of the team is solid though.

10 bucks say DreamTeam(team KeSPA) will ruin KT-SKT final and becoming champion.


I'll bet any amount that they won't but I have no idea who you are so I can't exactly expect a return on the bet.

Dream Team is still gonna do better than CJ though so that's worth something.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-05 02:08:57
November 05 2011 02:06 GMT
#39
On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too.

jaedong lost his last 2 games,
baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea

bisu is 9/10

k


lol that's all you got?

Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close.

So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage.

Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group.

If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that.
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
November 05 2011 02:09 GMT
#40
On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:
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On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:
On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..


evidence:

jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub

tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason


Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too.

jaedong lost his last 2 games,
baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea

bisu is 9/10

k


lol that's all you got?

Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close.

So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage.

Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group.

If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that.


People really need to stop referring to that as a down on Bisu's record
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