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United States15275 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:09 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group.If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that. People really need to stop referring to that as a down on Bisu's record
Well it's really not since he had to play Flash twice.
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On November 05 2011 11:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:09 Dakkas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group.If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that. People really need to stop referring to that as a down on Bisu's record Well it's really not since he had to play Flash twice.
Exactly
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when the league start up again?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
Jaedong's slump was mostly due to lack of motivation(I guess it was because of OZ disbanding) and his ZvZ.
while his ZvZ I cannot comment on right now,but I'm damn sure hes more motivated now.
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United States15275 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:23 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 11:09 Dakkas wrote:On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group.If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that. People really need to stop referring to that as a down on Bisu's record Well it's really not since he had to play Flash twice. Exactly
...that's the point.
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So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead
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Woongjin gonna win proleague this year. Take it to the bank!
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United States7639 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group. If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that.
Um. That... isn't how you measure slumping. You don't compare a player with other players. You compare him with himself from before. Slumping means one is performing below one's usual standards.
Jaedong's usual IL standards: winning 238723 OSLs a year. Bisu's usual standards: maybe getting to Ro8. Who do you think fell behind their usual individual league standards this year? lol
And then there's Proleague.
2010-2011 season:
Jaedong: 51-23 (68.9%)
Bisu: 63-15 (80.7%)
2009-2010 season:
Jaedong: 52-21 (71.2%)
Bisu: 27-17 (56.6%)
And too lazy to do the rest of the years, so have the team league career stats:
Jaedong: 240-109 (68.7%)
Bisu: 190-95 (66.67%)
Jaedong looks like he's performing at pretty much the same level as always. But I don't think you can even make a case for slumping with Bisu. Like, at all. His win rate went up 24%(!!!) from last year. This is the best he's ever done in his entire life in Proleague. Hell, this is the best anyone has ever done in Proleague.
I wouldn't say Jaedong is necessarily slumping. But he's lacking the same fire or whatever it was that allowed him to go 71% in Proleague in 2009, while winning 2 OSLs that same year.
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Baa?21244 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead
If you lose to the best player you're not the best player. Pretty simple lol.
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United States15275 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead
The point is, if Kiante can make a ridiculous conclusion based on an arbitrary interpretation of a single statistic then my equally ridiculous conclusion is more valid since it relies on two statistics instead of one. Alternatively if not advancing out of his MSL group = slumping, then not advancing out of his MSL group + not even qualifying for his OSL group = mega-slumping.
Clearly "Jaedong is slumping because he lost two games" and "Bisu is slumping because he didn't win the OSL and MSL" are not intelligible conclusions.
But I'm just overreacting.
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United States15275 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:35 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group. If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that. Um. That... isn't how you measure slumping. You don't compare a player with other players. You compare him with himself from before. Slumping means one is performing below one's usual standards. Jaedong's usual IL standards: winning 238723 OSLs a year. Bisu's usual standards: maybe getting to Ro8. Who do you think fell behind their usual individual league standards this year? lol And then there's Proleague. 2010-2011 season: Jaedong: 51-23 (68.9%) Bisu: 63-15 (80.7%) 2009-2010 season: Jaedong: 52-21 (71.2%) Bisu: 27-17 (56.6%) And too lazy to do the rest of the years, so have the team league career stats: Jaedong: 240-109 (68.7%) Bisu: 190-95 (66.67%) Jaedong looks like he's performing at pretty much the same level as always. But I don't think you can even make a case for slumping with Bisu. Like, at all. His win rate went up 24%(!!!) from last year. This is the best he's ever done in his entire life in Proleague. Hell, this is the best anyone has ever done in Proleague. I wouldn't say Jaedong is necessarily slumping. But he's lacking the same fire or whatever it was that allowed him to go 71% in Proleague in 2009, while winning 2 OSLs that same year.
Sarcasm.
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dream team, cj, khan, kt, skt
all great rosters
but i wonder how well they will play in pl
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You miss out wooki in kt .
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Dang three of my favorite players in the DT (zing!) but I'm CJ4life.
Anyway S(KT) are going DOWN.
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On November 05 2011 11:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead If you lose to the best player you're not the best player. Pretty simple lol.
Your reading ability is genius, thank you for that correction
Now I better go back and change where I said Bisu is the best player.........................................OH WAIT
On November 05 2011 11:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead The point is, if Kiante can make a retarded conclusion based on an arbitrary interpretation of a single statistic then my equally retarded conclusion is more valid since it relies on two statistics instead of one. Alternatively if not advancing out of his MSL group = slumping, then not advancing out of his MSL group + not even qualifying for his OSL group = mega-slumping. Clearly "Jaedong is slumping because he lost two games" and "Bisu is slumping because he didn't win the OSL and MSL" are not intelligible conclusions.
My earlier posts in this thread were defending Jaedong. I'm simply contesting that MSL group of death as a blemish on Bisu's record
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United States7639 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:35 Kiett wrote:On November 05 2011 11:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 10:42 Kiante wrote:On November 05 2011 09:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 09:43 Kiante wrote:
calling SKT #4 is way too low. dream team #2 way too high..
evidence:
jaedong - slumping
baby - slumping
sea - slumping
jaehoon - still a scrub
tyson and killer are doing decent, but i expect khan to be ahead of them come midseason Guess Bisu = slumping by those standards too. jaedong lost his last 2 games, baby is 5/10 from his last 10, so is sea bisu is 9/10 k lol that's all you got? Before those two games Jaedong was on a 10 game win-streak with victories over Flash, Fantasy, Jangbi, and the "slumping" Sea. With that Jaedong has won the last 5 games vs Flash, most of those not even being close. So let's talk about Bisu's performance in the last OSL. Oh wait, he couldn't even qualify for the group stage. Ok, then I'll refer to his ABC Mart MSL run. Oh wait, he couldn't make it out of his group. If Jaedong is struggling because he failed to make it out of his OSL group, then I guess Bisu is struggling more according to your logic. He may be a Proleague god but he still has to prove he is more than just that. Um. That... isn't how you measure slumping. You don't compare a player with other players. You compare him with himself from before. Slumping means one is performing below one's usual standards. Jaedong's usual IL standards: winning 238723 OSLs a year. Bisu's usual standards: maybe getting to Ro8. Who do you think fell behind their usual individual league standards this year? lol And then there's Proleague. 2010-2011 season: Jaedong: 51-23 (68.9%) Bisu: 63-15 (80.7%) 2009-2010 season: Jaedong: 52-21 (71.2%) Bisu: 27-17 (56.6%) And too lazy to do the rest of the years, so have the team league career stats: Jaedong: 240-109 (68.7%) Bisu: 190-95 (66.67%) Jaedong looks like he's performing at pretty much the same level as always. But I don't think you can even make a case for slumping with Bisu. Like, at all. His win rate went up 24%(!!!) from last year. This is the best he's ever done in his entire life in Proleague. Hell, this is the best anyone has ever done in Proleague. I wouldn't say Jaedong is necessarily slumping. But he's lacking the same fire or whatever it was that allowed him to go 71% in Proleague in 2009, while winning 2 OSLs that same year. Sarcasm.
I was referring to Kiante's posts. Quoted you by mistake, my bad.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:46 Sawamura wrote:
You miss out wooki in kt .
only a few people really payed attention to him,even after the mini writeup Kiante wrote on him.
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United States15275 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:52 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead If you lose to the best player you're not the best player. Pretty simple lol. Your reading ability is genius, thank you for that correction Now I better go back and change where I said Bisu is the best player.........................................OH WAIT Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead The point is, if Kiante can make a retarded conclusion based on an arbitrary interpretation of a single statistic then my equally retarded conclusion is more valid since it relies on two statistics instead of one. Alternatively if not advancing out of his MSL group = slumping, then not advancing out of his MSL group + not even qualifying for his OSL group = mega-slumping. Clearly "Jaedong is slumping because he lost two games" and "Bisu is slumping because he didn't win the OSL and MSL" are not intelligible conclusions. My earlier posts in this thread were defending Jaedong. I'm simply contesting that MSL group of death as a blemish on Bisu's record
Losing to Flash is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Is the format Bo7 or Bo5? If it's Bo5 I'm kinda worried about KT and SKT. CJ and the Dream Team both have strong players at the top, at least 4 players who are capable of S-class play (for a single game at least). Imagine a lineup of Jaedong, Baby, Sea, Killer or Effort, Hydra, Snow, Leta with all players playing at or near their best.
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Australia7069 Posts
On November 05 2011 11:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 11:32 Dakkas wrote:
So losing to the best player ever is a downside?
He was unlucky with his draw, we don't know what would have happened if he played Jaedong instead The point is, if Kiante can make a ridiculous conclusion based on an arbitrary interpretation of a single statistic then my equally ridiculous conclusion is more valid since it relies on two statistics instead of one. Alternatively if not advancing out of his MSL group = slumping, then not advancing out of his MSL group + not even qualifying for his OSL group = mega-slumping. Clearly "Jaedong is slumping because he lost two games" and "Bisu is slumping because he didn't win the OSL and MSL" are not intelligible conclusions. But I'm just overreacting.
i use stats from their most recent games. you pull on information over the whole season. form slumps are about recent form. My points of data are relevant, and yours aren't. bisu may have failed to qualify for the OSL but his last 10 games he's lost only one. meanwhile jaedong lost his last two games of the season to hyvaa and hyuk.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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