EPTOn November 06 2011 00:25 lynx.oblige wrote:
Stats definitely underrated. Always loved dat Chintoss.
Stats definitely underrated. Always loved dat Chintoss.
people called stats as a one hit wonder but what do you know .....
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
people called stats as a one hit wonder but what do you know ..... | ||
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MuK_x
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On November 06 2011 00:29 red4ce wrote: #3: Dream Team - Jaedong, but with backup. Holy shit. I think Sea is more than a backup player... | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On November 06 2011 00:50 cklrkzk wrote: I think Sea is more than a backup player... Anyone outside TLS is backup when talking about Jaedong. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 01:10 J1.au wrote: All KT needs to do is reach the play-offs and they will win it all again. It doesn't matter how much the "better" teams like SKT, CJ and now this KeSPA team beat them during the regular season. When the games matter the most KT will deliver like always. Sometimes I wish KT is much more consistent in their games , So I don't get any heart attack when we are down to 3-1 and we need hoejja,action,crazyhydra, to pull of a win so we can send in flash...... . T_T | ||
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DropBear
Australia4373 Posts
 1. SKT - In my highly anti-KT biased opinion, SKT choked horribly last season and should have won the final. The two main SKT zergs failed last minute in their respective best matchups. Two 9-0 rounds last season are evidence of their proleague power. 2. CJ - Imba team is imba. They have a history of choking though so I can't bring myself to put them first. Didn't pick up anyone notable from the disbanded teams, they could maybe use Hiya as backup for Leta? 3. KeSPA - Everyone is saying Jaedong is slumping? He still has undoubtedly the best ZvT in the game. His ZvZ may be suffering slightly but I'd still take him over Hydra or Zero any day. Not only this, both him and Sea no longer have the stress of NEEDING to win for their team to win. I expect Sea in particular to perform haidouken tornados. Killer was starting to get scary, Jaehoon is super solid. Tyson and Baby round out a scary top 6. The worry will be depth, not "chemistry". If someone gets sick or goes into a massive slump there aren't too many options to replace them. 4. KT - As incredible as he is, I feel it is unreasonable to expect Flash to dominate from round 1. He will take some time to get back to his best, mostly due to his inability to practice while he heals. For this reason I think KT will struggle early but win enough games later in the season to make finals. Mind and Wooki are solid pickups. 5. KHAN - Can Jangbi convert his OSL form into proleague consistently? Can Stork concentrate on the game he is paid to play rather than WoW or cell phones? Can Grape, Turn and Reality continue to improve? All these questions remain to be answered. Roro is a huuuuuge pickup. 6. STX - yes above Woongjin. STX have solid players and are actually pretty good. They don't have any real superstars though and I expect them to get owned in Winner's League which will stop them making playoffs. 7. Woongjin - Free sucks now, Light is only good in one matchup, Really is gone, their options are limited even with the recruitment of Shy. Stars are one Zero slump away from sucking harrrrrrrrd. Which makes me sad. 8. ACE - Yes they now have great and Kal. great and Kal were failing horribly last season and with the additional burden of military duty I can't see them making a difference. The terran division of firebathero, Iris and Piano will have to pull out all stops for them to move above 8th. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
Crazy hydra is still a good zerg player and I still remember that all killed he did before leaving woongjin,my jaw was still left hanging in mid air when the game finish 4-0 by crazy hydra . Still I believe he can improve he just needs time to do get around and be familiar with the team . Action on the other hand he's getting better already and I can see his mid game into late game transition is much more solid compared to his previous games he plays . I still loathe at action for going straight to hive tech without building any lurkers despite him having the advantage against sun using his burrowed zerglings to ambush by.sun dragoon. I can never forgive action for doing that in the finals game it nearly cost us the proleague final , he better start improving .. Hoejja in my opinion , is still a player which kt has started to rely after him improving on his wins and I hope to see hoejja carry on his confidence from the proleague finals. As for stats , I am crossing my finger hoping that surgery didn't suck the power out of him T_T. I can't call him Chinboss anymore which is really sad. Hopefully we will be able to field in wooki and barracks more in games , So KT can give our rookies more experience.I am still in a confusion on how kt will perform these year proleague . I am optimisitic that we will do well and it's time to wear that ktf uniform again and brandish that ktf logo . Because kt rolster is on a rolled again. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On November 06 2011 01:38 Sawamura wrote: and what do you know Stats record against zero is 6-0 and all the stars fans were shaking in their boots . It's not. And sure, we're totally shaking in our boots *roll eyes* | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:36 bearbuddy wrote: It's not. And sure, we're totally shaking in our boots *roll eyes* 4-1 and that one win was like in the year 2009 *roll eyes* . | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:42 Sawamura wrote: 4-1 and that one win was like in the year 2009 *roll eyes* . So, you admitted to making shit up. Good job. I was also rolling my eyes at the condescending part. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:43 bearbuddy wrote: So, you admitted to making shit up. Good job. I was also rolling my eyes at the condescending part. Making shit up ? Lols I knew stats had a good record and when people in the live report were going bonkers I imagine he had a score of 6-0 and what do you know I am wrong ? so Slash life ? | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:49 Sawamura wrote: Making shit up ? Lols I knew stats had a good record and when people in the live report were going bonkers I imagine he had a score of 6-0 and what do you know I am wrong ? so Slash life ? It takes like 3 seconds to check up on TLPD. Is it so hard? You could have just said that Stats has a good record against Zero. I'm disputing a statistic (pun intended), and responding as a Star fan that was not shaking in my boots. So on both account, you're wrong, and I'm rolling my eyes. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:53 bearbuddy wrote: It takes like 3 seconds to check up on TLPD. Is it so hard? You could have just said that Stats has a good record against Zero. I'm disputing a statistic (pun intended), and responding as a Star fan that was not shaking in my boots. So on both account, you're wrong, and I'm rolling my eyes. Still doesn't change the fact that Stats > Zero in PvZ . Rolling eyes or drums whatever. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
Looking forward to some awesome KvZs. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 06 2011 03:47 infinity2k9 wrote: Stats is not better than ZerO in PvZ despite what the head to head record is; sometimes things are just weird like that. ZerO doesn't live up to his best in the matchup sometimes, but when he does it's very very impressive. Stats is obviously good in the matchup and better than most but still i wouldn't bet on him in a series against ZerO. At his best, Magma is the greatest player who ever played the game. Stats was a more valuable player last season than Zero. I'm sure many people would take Zero over Stats first if they were drafting a team from scratch, but that's probably mostly due to starleague success. When talking Proleague it's hard to argue Zero is much better than Stats, if at all. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
From my perspective, Zero's moments of brilliance are better than those of Stats', and his solid-average game are better as well. All in all i just see him as having both better mechanics and flair.. Maybe that's just me being unable to forget Stat's slump (or at least a period of poor performance) just before the end of playoff last season, but .... Plus, there's that little KT hate burning quietly, when we should have bagged last season but dumb Zergs screwed up T_T (BeSt screwed up too, but it happened often to people who face Flash, so its easier to forgive him).. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
CJ over Dream Team: Dream team has little depth, CJ has tons of it. You forgot Where and BBYong in your preview, both have shown enough potential last year to be A-teamers this year, while the Dream Team line up will most likely depend entirely on how well JD/Baby/Sea do, a little like CJ a few years ago when they only had Effort/Movie/Skyhigh and if two slumped at once, yet alone three (WL 2010) it was GG for CJ. Dream Team is better on paper, but they'll need incredibly consistent play to finish #2. Also keep in mind that CJ has more practice partners and better team chemistry. Small advantages, yes, but they'll help. STX at 5th. This is pretty bold after the STX coach put all of his players up for trade. While the protoss and zerg lineups look grim for STX, their terran lineup looks surprisingly decent with Bogus, Classic, and Last (all underrated). If STX's coach gets some good mirror match snipes with Shuttle and Modesty, STX should beat the lower half of the league quite easily in Bo7s. The real trick is winner's league. My STX at 5th prediction relies on Bogus, Classic, or Last stepping up and becoming an ace (like Hydra in CJ last year) or STX pulling off a good trade. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 06 2011 07:51 TwoToneTerran wrote: At his best, Magma is the greatest player who ever played the game. Stats was a more valuable player last season than Zero. I'm sure many people would take Zero over Stats first if they were drafting a team from scratch, but that's probably mostly due to starleague success. When talking Proleague it's hard to argue Zero is much better than Stats, if at all. You're making it sound like i'm just going by my opinion, when he's 60% compared to 53% in the matchup we were talking about. Not only that he's got a better winrate in PL too for 10-11. He was shaky early on but he was very very good in the last few rounds, especially the convincing wins over Bisu and Flash. I feel like he might improve further too. Stats in the other hand, he obviously had a fantastic winners league yes (protoss did in general for some reason?). But he's not the first guy to go on a surprising and not-repeated WL streak. He's solid but i'm not sure he's shown anything more than that yet. | ||
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