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Soleron
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1324 Posts
October 20 2011 20:26 GMT
#941
On October 21 2011 04:54 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:47 Warlock40 wrote:
Posted three hours ago on Team SlayerS Facebook page:

Someone asks, "As I predicted, SlayerS taking over. Are you guys gonna do the KeSPA Star 2 proleague thing?"

Team SlayerS replys, "Can't comment on that one Sorry"

I think it's interesting because they don't always answer every question that's asked. But maybe I'm just reading too much into this.



I think you may be. I think they are saying they can't comment because they don't know anything about it.


"No comment" from companies always means they know something. Even just whether Kespa approached them and they said no.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
October 20 2011 20:34 GMT
#942
waxangel so sweet for putting that tidbit at the end for the under-the-rock dwellers
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
October 20 2011 20:56 GMT
#943
On October 21 2011 02:57 oldfartz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:15 TheButtonmen wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:06 oldfartz wrote:
Im sorry but with flash's dedication and brilliance i dont think he'll take months before catching up with sc2 elite. i wont blame him if he makes the switch over the weekend to make some extra dough


Dedication means putting countless hours in, it's not something that helps can quickly switch over and his brillance is because he knows the games in and outs better then pretty much everyone else an advantage which would be removed if he switched over.

Flash as an amazing amount of potential but to say he could switch over and just start immediatly dominating is wishful thinking. It takes time and effort to become the best, it isn't an inate thing.



I agree that's what dedication means - for people like you and me, this is Flash we're talking about though so I really don't think it applies.


Flash isn't good because he's Flash, Flash is good because he puts more blood,sweat and tears into improving himself then pretty much any other two progamers combined. Flash is great because when he can't practice anymore he sits down and thinks about the game and has it nearly completely figured out.

You're taking away from just how great he is at this game with what you're saying. Flash got to the top by paying his dues and putting countless hours in, it wasn't effortless at all.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
October 20 2011 21:03 GMT
#944
Why does anyone think Gretech and Blizzard will basically give up the GSTL and control of team leagues for KeSPA? Remember the leaked demands that Blizzard had, well they still are going to want a significant degree of control.. hence why they are even involved with Gretech in the first place.

So of course, KeSPA can consider it a possibility. I mean why wouldn't they. But it's not going to happen judging by Blizzard's actions. And even after all of that if they did agree to whatever terms Blizzard had, set up a whole teams system and create pro licenses, all the shit that would need to be done, who says there's a worthwhile viewerbase for the product that's going to come out at the end? People are not unaware of SC2. Viewers of OGN are not unaware of it. But so far it appears they don't care.

I really doubt any of it will happen. They will try to push GSTL/GSL to OGN to broadcast, but there is really no reason for them to let KeSPA be involved and doing so would open up a ton of problems anyway because of how the KeSPA system operates. How can people say 'sc2 is international and should stay that way!' then be the same people who are saying this is apparently good news; Proleague requires players to be around all the time, and teams will stop their players going abroad all the time because their priority is PL. So yeah sure, this is good news if you want SC2 to be centered in Korea and the foreign scene relegated to B level players.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
October 20 2011 21:36 GMT
#945
--- Nuked ---
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 20 2011 21:56 GMT
#946
I just hope this doesn't mean less BW to watch. Any BW fan will agree that there is precious little pro BW to watch anymore.
May the BeSt man win.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 20 2011 22:30 GMT
#947
On October 21 2011 06:56 Djabanete wrote:
I just hope this doesn't mean less BW to watch. Any BW fan will agree that there is precious little pro BW to watch anymore.

Indeed ..dont fuck with my.prime time television
Cep
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany41 Posts
October 20 2011 23:13 GMT
#948
On October 21 2011 05:56 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:57 oldfartz wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:15 TheButtonmen wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:06 oldfartz wrote:
Im sorry but with flash's dedication and brilliance i dont think he'll take months before catching up with sc2 elite. i wont blame him if he makes the switch over the weekend to make some extra dough


Dedication means putting countless hours in, it's not something that helps can quickly switch over and his brillance is because he knows the games in and outs better then pretty much everyone else an advantage which would be removed if he switched over.

Flash as an amazing amount of potential but to say he could switch over and just start immediatly dominating is wishful thinking. It takes time and effort to become the best, it isn't an inate thing.



I agree that's what dedication means - for people like you and me, this is Flash we're talking about though so I really don't think it applies.


Flash isn't good because he's Flash, Flash is good because he puts more blood,sweat and tears into improving himself then pretty much any other two progamers combined. Flash is great because when he can't practice anymore he sits down and thinks about the game and has it nearly completely figured out.

You're taking away from just how great he is at this game with what you're saying. Flash got to the top by paying his dues and putting countless hours in, it wasn't effortless at all.


i don't think anyone of those calibers could dominate sc2 right from the get go. most of their advantages don't transition into sc2 that well. macro is way easier in sc2. so the difference to current top sc2 players like mvp/nestea/bomber simply can't be that big. from my point of view, you're currently get the most advantage from timings and micro (mainly terrans). and this takes time.
one thing, imo, that's speaks for them is simply the passion and effort players like flash/jd/bisu/aso put into the game.

and as much i would love to see jd in sc2...the time/the game isn't ready. i fear his game would look a lot like yellows...and my heart would cry out of sadness.


OT: would it be good or bad? depends. first of all, it could fill the void msl has left in the schedule. so that would make kespas move more likely to me.
i actually would love to see another sc2 league. to me, the gsl format or the current time period of the seasons is too short. looking at mvps 3 gsl titles...it just feels kinda meaningless compared to three osls.
so to have a sc2 pro league and the gsl, kinda like osl/msl, would be awesome.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 20 2011 23:18 GMT
#949
On October 21 2011 06:56 Djabanete wrote:
I just hope this doesn't mean less BW to watch. Any BW fan will agree that there is precious little pro BW to watch anymore.

Amen.. Normally we could at least watch WCG Korea around this time buuuut... You know... ]=
Jaedong.
VooDank
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Canada252 Posts
October 20 2011 23:24 GMT
#950
Oh god, I hope it's not like the league they had where it was a 2 BW 1vs1's, Korean shooter 5v5 then back to BW 1v1, it was such a buzz kill
444
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
October 21 2011 00:45 GMT
#951
On October 21 2011 07:30 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 06:56 Djabanete wrote:
I just hope this doesn't mean less BW to watch. Any BW fan will agree that there is precious little pro BW to watch anymore.

Indeed ..dont fuck with my.prime time television


I think they're going to cut BW Proleague regardless because it's supersaturated and people are complaining (which isn't necessarily bad! BW is stabilizing after a peak, not dying), and are thinking of using SC2 to fill in the now-empty timeslot since it's still the second-biggest esport game.

Of course, they'll announce this has "we're cutting a day a week out of BW and giving it to SC2", and the community will flip the fuck right out the door across the ocean to Korea. That'll be an amazing thread
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 00:54:31
October 21 2011 00:53 GMT
#952
Koreans love the attention they get when they are the best at something. Look at that world cup in early 2000's that they are still going on about. And this last olympics? Don't even get me started! BW is going to die because nobody cares if Koreans are the best at it. Because other people don't care, Koreans don't care.

Simple Just let it happen.

Just watch, when SC2 is broadcasted on television, and Koreans find out how much they own at his new game.. the fans will come flocking in.
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
October 21 2011 00:54 GMT
#953
OH MY GOD !!!! This is comming right when Hots is going out great timing
(。◕ ω ◕。) Beer Time !!!! (。◕ ω ◕。)
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 03:53:19
October 21 2011 03:52 GMT
#954
On October 21 2011 09:53 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Koreans love the attention they get when they are the best at something. Look at that world cup in early 2000's that they are still going on about. And this last olympics? Don't even get me started! BW is going to die because nobody cares if Koreans are the best at it. Because other people don't care, Koreans don't care.

Simple Just let it happen.

Just watch, when SC2 is broadcasted on television, and Koreans find out how much they own at his new game.. the fans will come flocking in.


Your either trolling or just massively stupid. Koreans generally see brood war as an established e-sport in their own community. Has american football (which the europeans seem to make fun of every chance they get) disappeared because nobody else in the world cares if americans are the best at it? If americans continue to like it, it'll stay, and Korean brood war is no different.
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
October 21 2011 04:02 GMT
#955
Their computers need upgrading? Strange, I always thought their computers were the best and they dump the old ones lol.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 21 2011 04:05 GMT
#956
On October 21 2011 08:13 Cep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 05:56 TheButtonmen wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:57 oldfartz wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:15 TheButtonmen wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:06 oldfartz wrote:
Im sorry but with flash's dedication and brilliance i dont think he'll take months before catching up with sc2 elite. i wont blame him if he makes the switch over the weekend to make some extra dough


Dedication means putting countless hours in, it's not something that helps can quickly switch over and his brillance is because he knows the games in and outs better then pretty much everyone else an advantage which would be removed if he switched over.

Flash as an amazing amount of potential but to say he could switch over and just start immediatly dominating is wishful thinking. It takes time and effort to become the best, it isn't an inate thing.



I agree that's what dedication means - for people like you and me, this is Flash we're talking about though so I really don't think it applies.


Flash isn't good because he's Flash, Flash is good because he puts more blood,sweat and tears into improving himself then pretty much any other two progamers combined. Flash is great because when he can't practice anymore he sits down and thinks about the game and has it nearly completely figured out.

You're taking away from just how great he is at this game with what you're saying. Flash got to the top by paying his dues and putting countless hours in, it wasn't effortless at all.


i don't think anyone of those calibers could dominate sc2 right from the get go. most of their advantages don't transition into sc2 that well. macro is way easier in sc2. so the difference to current top sc2 players like mvp/nestea/bomber simply can't be that big. from my point of view, you're currently get the most advantage from timings and micro (mainly terrans). and this takes time.
one thing, imo, that's speaks for them is simply the passion and effort players like flash/jd/bisu/aso put into the game.

and as much i would love to see jd in sc2...the time/the game isn't ready. i fear his game would look a lot like yellows...and my heart would cry out of sadness.

IIRC, NaDa said in an interview that top-tier Terrans switching over from BW wouldn't have much of an impact, but a really good Zerg could potentially shift the metagame profoundly. No idea if he said anything about Protoss, though.
Inters
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada29 Posts
October 21 2011 04:23 GMT
#957
yea sure if it doesn't turn into a music program first
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 21 2011 04:38 GMT
#958
On October 21 2011 09:53 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Koreans love the attention they get when they are the best at something. Look at that world cup in early 2000's that they are still going on about. And this last olympics? Don't even get me started! BW is going to die because nobody cares if Koreans are the best at it. Because other people don't care, Koreans don't care.

Simple Just let it happen.

Just watch, when SC2 is broadcasted on television, and Koreans find out how much they own at his new game.. the fans will come flocking in.


but i care that koreans are the best, because being good at sc2 means next to nothing compared to being good at bw imo
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
October 21 2011 04:43 GMT
#959
On October 21 2011 04:20 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 02:47 xBillehx wrote:
On October 21 2011 02:11 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks this is a bad news?

No but I don't understand why. Were people also sad when Special Forces got it's Proleague?

Are they going to make a separate tournament for SC2 under the Proleague banner or just alternate between sets of BW and SC2 during matches? At first I thought it was the former. But the vast majority of Korean netizens think it's the latter. And they pretty much say Kespa is nuts for thinking of introducing this.

The latter would piss me off but the former is fine. As long as I can watch my BW without any interference then it's fine. They can air special forces or street fighter or whatever they want as long as it doesn't effect the viewership of BW.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
oldfartz
Profile Joined October 2011
Philippines117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 05:42:33
October 21 2011 05:21 GMT
#960
can't they just leave BW alone and go play their shitty game abroad instead? if sc2 is not growing in korea i dont think its because its not marketed well enough, i mean blizzard is pouring a shitload of money ramming this game into bw fans throats already and i see this move as the nut low. so naive some people here think blizzard is out to revive bw at any level whatsoever.
its hard enough trying to find the bw section in this site
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