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ALLEYCAT BLUES50427 Posts
I think you underestimate them Xiphos, nobody would expect them to win against any current SC2 players without practice, I myself certainly don't regardless of how we view the game it still requires a bit of preparation.
I've never seen anyone go that far to say such a thing that you claim.
don't let one or two idiots ruin anything.
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On October 20 2011 01:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I think you underestimate them Xiphos, nobody would expect them to win against any current SC2 players without practice, I myself certainly don't regardless of how we view the game it still requires a bit of preparation.
I've never seen anyone go that far to say such a thing that you claim.
don't let one or two idiots ruin anything.
If the one or two idiots are from online, I would not give two sh!t about them. The thing is that there a prick that I know IRL that always talk shit about BW and saying how its dying even though I've shown him evidence that ranges from videos to articles to pictures to the news about the history of BW and that you should AT LEAST show some respect to the scene but instead he keep on saying that "lol BW is teh sux, sc2 ftw!" message like that. I of course didn't give him the satisfaction of seeing me getting mad, I took everything with a calm manner but still my inside is burning with rage that would just unleash the first thing that thet reverse law of violence. Especially when he come to me and telling me to switch. God, one more year to go of HS.
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On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon.
Yes I will .. because of 2 reasons:
1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me because remembering Yellow vs Boxer but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine with that.
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value.
It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this.
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jaedong will tell the crowd at the weekend that he trained sc2 the past weeks, they will do a showmatch jaedong vs mvp and jaedong will show us completely new styles. everyone is going crazy and day9 and artosis will dance all the weekend to give us new hilarious gifs
even idra will dance naked on stream because he said once, noone has talent in korea, but flash and jaedong.
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On October 19 2011 18:09 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 17:55 Daozzt wrote:On October 19 2011 17:14 OgsStump wrote:On October 19 2011 14:03 lFrost wrote:On October 19 2011 09:31 Kajarn wrote:On October 19 2011 09:12 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't anyone get bored of this "mine is better than yours" crap?
Why can't we just enjoy it for what it is and stop getting all offended if someone wants to see more of "x" game being played or more of "x" players playing "x" game.
Its so hard to find any real discussion on this interesting topic through the pages of horrifically biased and slanted arguments with no real end or basis in the first place.
BW is the best BW game that ever came out and SC2 is at best, 2nd place in terms of BW-likeness. Although, SC2 is the best SC2 game yet and BW, now lets be honest, is probably only 2nd best in terms of SC2-likeness. Now clearly if SC2 had more BW, it wouldn't really matter because as long as it was even 1% SC2, it would never reach pure BW, and thus be 2nd best BW. Same goes for BW gaining more SC2-ness.
So if BW is stuck being BW and SC2 is stuck being SC2, lets all agree that BW can not equal SC2, if and only if, SC2 is not equal to BW. Greater than or Less than is meaningless because its like saying "I have more apples then you have oranges so I am better....". No you don't, you just wasted all your money and time on buying more apples.
Ah who am I kidding, as angry as people get, I am sure they enjoy arguing whose game is better. Thinking of strategies and arguments to counter another persons..refining your pessimism for the other view points...editing responses to sound more sophisticated. Its the argument you enjoy, not the win. You make the false assumption that SC2 could never pass up BW. Which I believe SC2 WILL pass BW, because SC2 has already passed BW Internationally. Plus, Blizzard has 2 more chances to perfect the game. yeah sc2 passed bw internationally basically because the game is dumbed down and easier to play. bw once had an international scene but everyone outside of korea jumped ship after sc2 was released because it was pointless to compete with the korean progamers who were vastly superior to everyone else in terms of skill. the existence of a large skill gap between the koreans and everyone else demonstrates bw's extremely high skill ceiling, unlike sc2's. why do you think all the mediocre bw players (nestea, mvp, mc, rest of world) switched to sc2 but the rest of the progamers have not? why is it that bw's popularity in korea still far surpasses sc2's? maybe its because they can look past the dated graphics of the game and see it's superior design underneath. bw's prominence for the last 10+ years shows that it is a near perfectly balanced game. sc2 may have passed bw on the popularity scale, but that does not necessarily translate to how good/perfect the game actually is. the perfect game is all a matter of perspective, i feel like a lot of brood war fans just really hipster nerds and don't want to be mainstream. The game may be more balanced and requires more skills but the graphics, accessibility, and better casters are with SC2 in my opinion. You saying the game is perfect is just as arbitrary as it would be if I said the game of golf is perfect. It way be perfect to a perfect game to me but it's a matter of perspective with so many more factors than balance or "game design". Also the top progamers from brood war haven't switched over because the money isn't there. If there was a million dollar a month tournament for sc2 i'm positive they wouldn't stay in brood war just because of the "superior design underneath". I get the nostalgia but i think you went a bit overboard. "Heh, if there were monthly million dollar tournies they would switch for sure!" Nice insight there, buddy. Now why don't you explain why there's no money in Korea's current SC2 scene. Also disagree with his point on better casters. I find SC2 commentary unbearable as the groundless hype over inane things is so thick you can smell it. Though it might not be the casters fault... just listen to tastosis casting BW and you can feel their genuine excitement over gameplay rather than "im so hyped right now".
Another person claiming tastless "lost his passion"?
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how anyone can think even S players can be good at a game they dont play? If they played it casually i give them 10%-15% at best to win a map 0 to win a series. Thats why i think making BW showmatches would be the best and most exciting. Or let everyone play hots fun showmatches(less exciting).
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On October 19 2011 17:55 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 17:14 OgsStump wrote:On October 19 2011 14:03 lFrost wrote:On October 19 2011 09:31 Kajarn wrote:On October 19 2011 09:12 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Doesn't anyone get bored of this "mine is better than yours" crap?
Why can't we just enjoy it for what it is and stop getting all offended if someone wants to see more of "x" game being played or more of "x" players playing "x" game.
Its so hard to find any real discussion on this interesting topic through the pages of horrifically biased and slanted arguments with no real end or basis in the first place.
BW is the best BW game that ever came out and SC2 is at best, 2nd place in terms of BW-likeness. Although, SC2 is the best SC2 game yet and BW, now lets be honest, is probably only 2nd best in terms of SC2-likeness. Now clearly if SC2 had more BW, it wouldn't really matter because as long as it was even 1% SC2, it would never reach pure BW, and thus be 2nd best BW. Same goes for BW gaining more SC2-ness.
So if BW is stuck being BW and SC2 is stuck being SC2, lets all agree that BW can not equal SC2, if and only if, SC2 is not equal to BW. Greater than or Less than is meaningless because its like saying "I have more apples then you have oranges so I am better....". No you don't, you just wasted all your money and time on buying more apples.
Ah who am I kidding, as angry as people get, I am sure they enjoy arguing whose game is better. Thinking of strategies and arguments to counter another persons..refining your pessimism for the other view points...editing responses to sound more sophisticated. Its the argument you enjoy, not the win. You make the false assumption that SC2 could never pass up BW. Which I believe SC2 WILL pass BW, because SC2 has already passed BW Internationally. Plus, Blizzard has 2 more chances to perfect the game. yeah sc2 passed bw internationally basically because the game is dumbed down and easier to play. bw once had an international scene but everyone outside of korea jumped ship after sc2 was released because it was pointless to compete with the korean progamers who were vastly superior to everyone else in terms of skill. the existence of a large skill gap between the koreans and everyone else demonstrates bw's extremely high skill ceiling, unlike sc2's. why do you think all the mediocre bw players (nestea, mvp, mc, rest of world) switched to sc2 but the rest of the progamers have not? why is it that bw's popularity in korea still far surpasses sc2's? maybe its because they can look past the dated graphics of the game and see it's superior design underneath. bw's prominence for the last 10+ years shows that it is a near perfectly balanced game. sc2 may have passed bw on the popularity scale, but that does not necessarily translate to how good/perfect the game actually is. the perfect game is all a matter of perspective, i feel like a lot of brood war fans just really hipster nerds and don't want to be mainstream. The game may be more balanced and requires more skills but the graphics, accessibility, and better casters are with SC2 in my opinion. You saying the game is perfect is just as arbitrary as it would be if I said the game of golf is perfect. It way be perfect to a perfect game to me but it's a matter of perspective with so many more factors than balance or "game design". Also the top progamers from brood war haven't switched over because the money isn't there. If there was a million dollar a month tournament for sc2 i'm positive they wouldn't stay in brood war just because of the "superior design underneath". I get the nostalgia but i think you went a bit overboard. "Heh, if there were monthly million dollar tournies they would switch for sure!" Nice insight there, buddy. Now why don't you explain why there's no money in Korea's current SC2 scene.
There was already an infrastructure for tournaments set up contracts, in place, etc. etc. If there's a good product no need to get rid of it. But broodwar players constantly take shots at SC2. My big point was that if there was significantly more money in SC2 they would switch over. The guy made it sound like they were playing the game soley for the love of the game design. Right now brood war pros make quite a bit of money and wouldn't do substantially better in SC2 not to mention they are under contract. I just agree with people claiming they are staying with brood war soley because it's the "better game". There are more factors than balance or game design that drive progamers.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50427 Posts
On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon. Yes I will .. because of 2 reason: 1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine 2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers [if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value. It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this.
I'm pretty sure they will only play HoTS showmatches and mostly against each other,I asked my question on the off chance that they don't and play just regular WoL.I couldn't care less if the games suck as long as the players are at least enjoying it.
yes, there are such things SC2 progamers no need to insult them please.
again you are free to have your own opinion,I'm just asking you to also try looking at things my way.
and come on man,its one small 2 day event,even if they don't play BW this weekend.Proleague is starting soon and I'm waiting patiently for it.
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On October 20 2011 01:22 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I think you underestimate them Xiphos, nobody would expect them to win against any current SC2 players without practice, I myself certainly don't regardless of how we view the game it still requires a bit of preparation.
I've never seen anyone go that far to say such a thing that you claim.
don't let one or two idiots ruin anything. If the one or two idiots are from online, I would not give two sh!t about them. The thing is that there a prick that I know IRL that always talk shit about BW and saying how its dying even though I've shown him evidence that ranges from videos to articles to pictures to the news about the history of BW and that you should AT LEAST show some respect to the scene but instead he keep on saying that "lol BW is teh sux, sc2 ftw!" message like that. I of course didn't give him the satisfaction of seeing me getting mad, I took everything with a calm manner but still my inside is burning with rage that would just unleash the first thing that thet reverse law of violence. Especially when he come to me and telling me to switch. God, one more year to go of HS.
Dude, forget sc2 and bw, anyone acting this way about ANYTHING needs to experience a foot up their ass
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On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
I would be unhappy if they played it at the expense of a BW match, but I wouldn't make a big deal about it.
It's like if someone said, "Yo Kobe Bryant is coming to your house for a surprise visit!" and then he just plays NBA 2k12 instead of, you know, playing real basketball.
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
It matters because they've given us quality games and entertainment with BW, and a lack of that would be shocking and upsetting.
Being upset means that it matters.
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon.
I'm not in some magic fairytale land where everyone's happy and we're all happy because everyone's happy. I'm happy when I see great games and a true demonstration of skill.
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On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing].
This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you
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On October 20 2011 01:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon. Yes I will .. because of 2 reason: 1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine 2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers [if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value. It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this. I'm pretty sure they will only play HoTS showmatches and mostly against each other,I asked my question on the off chance that they don't and play just regular WoL.I couldn't care less if the games suck as long as the players are at least enjoying it. yes, there are such things SC2 progamers no need to insult them please. again you are free to have your own opinion,I'm just asking you to also try looking at things my way. and come on man,its one small 2 day event,even if they don't play BW this weekend.Proleague is starting soon and I'm waiting patiently for it.
A showmatch of HotS with BW pros sounds too illogical for me to digest. Seriously, sure they'll be having fun playing the game but a showmatch? It will be like watching a B-rated film: Painful, Annoying, Waste of time, energy, money and if this is the case, then I dont think blizzard is doing it right.
Opinions differ, I agree but SC2 peeps blatantly harrasing BW threads with garbage like "lol, they'll be switching to EG", blah blah ,, Why even post like that? Where are their basis for these theories? That's obvious trolling and it irks me to no end. I try to keep myself from posting threads like this but 1 less BW poster would mean less visibility of the passion BW fans have for their favorite game.
I blame Blizzard for all of this paranoia non-sense. If they didn't had the nerve to touch the scene back then with that wussy lawsuit of theirs, none of these would have happened. We wouldn't have these crazy idea of the 4 being stapped on a chair by dollars just so they can play SC2 for the rabid SC2 people who are dying to have these big-name progamers to switch. I would have bought SC2 [and be miserable with it]. Blizzard is rubbing all of this wrong. Many [who have not bought SC2] people hate blizzard because of how they acted/reacted with the current BW scene and not that they dislike SC2 because of its gameplay and whatever it is they hate about it.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50427 Posts
On October 20 2011 02:06 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon. Yes I will .. because of 2 reason: 1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine 2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers [if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value. It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this. I'm pretty sure they will only play HoTS showmatches and mostly against each other,I asked my question on the off chance that they don't and play just regular WoL.I couldn't care less if the games suck as long as the players are at least enjoying it. yes, there are such things SC2 progamers no need to insult them please. again you are free to have your own opinion,I'm just asking you to also try looking at things my way. and come on man,its one small 2 day event,even if they don't play BW this weekend.Proleague is starting soon and I'm waiting patiently for it. A showmatch of HotS with BW pros sounds too illogical for me to digest. Seriously, sure they'll be having fun playing the game but a [b]showmatch/b]? If thats the case then I dont think blizzard is doing it right. Opinions differ, I agree but SC2 peeps blatantly harrasing BW threads with garbage like "lol, they'll be switching to EG", blah blah ,, Why even post like that? Where are their basis for these theories? That's obvious trolling and it irks me to no end. I try to keep myself from posting threads like this but 1 less BW poster would mean less visibility of the passion BW fans have for their favorite game. I blame Blizzard for all of this paranoia non-sense. If they didn't had the nerve to touch the scene back then with that wussy lawsuit of theirs, none of these would have happened. I would have bought SC2 [and be miserable with it]. Blizzard is rubbing all of this wrong. Many [who have not bought SC2] people hate blizzard because of how they acted/reacted with the current BW scene and not that they dislike SC2 because of its gameplay and whatever it is they hate about it.
asking why people troll is like asking the meaning of life man,and the reason you respond to such threads is the same for most of us.
I can't say much on you're issue with Blizzard,but I do believe that they are trying to repair their image, whether or not they succeed is totally upto what they do this weekend.
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On October 20 2011 02:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 02:06 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 01:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon. Yes I will .. because of 2 reason: 1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine 2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers [if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value. It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this. I'm pretty sure they will only play HoTS showmatches and mostly against each other,I asked my question on the off chance that they don't and play just regular WoL.I couldn't care less if the games suck as long as the players are at least enjoying it. yes, there are such things SC2 progamers no need to insult them please. again you are free to have your own opinion,I'm just asking you to also try looking at things my way. and come on man,its one small 2 day event,even if they don't play BW this weekend.Proleague is starting soon and I'm waiting patiently for it. A showmatch of HotS with BW pros sounds too illogical for me to digest. Seriously, sure they'll be having fun playing the game but a [b]showmatch/b]? If thats the case then I dont think blizzard is doing it right. Opinions differ, I agree but SC2 peeps blatantly harrasing BW threads with garbage like "lol, they'll be switching to EG", blah blah ,, Why even post like that? Where are their basis for these theories? That's obvious trolling and it irks me to no end. I try to keep myself from posting threads like this but 1 less BW poster would mean less visibility of the passion BW fans have for their favorite game. I blame Blizzard for all of this paranoia non-sense. If they didn't had the nerve to touch the scene back then with that wussy lawsuit of theirs, none of these would have happened. I would have bought SC2 [and be miserable with it]. Blizzard is rubbing all of this wrong. Many [who have not bought SC2] people hate blizzard because of how they acted/reacted with the current BW scene and not that they dislike SC2 because of its gameplay and whatever it is they hate about it. asking why people troll is like asking the meaning of life man,and the reason you respond to such threads is the same for most of us. I can't say much on you're issue with Blizzard,but I do believe that they are trying to repair their image, whether or not they succeed is totally upto what they do this weekend.
One can hope. lol
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50427 Posts
On October 20 2011 02:19 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 02:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 20 2011 02:06 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 01:39 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:On October 20 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
guys guys guys,man I wish there was like a refresh button to the thread that removes all the comments after like the 5th page or so.
but thats not what I wanted to say,think of these four guys we have here,Think what they would think for a second.
they were invited to Blizzcon to have a good time and they will.Whether or not they will play BW or SC2 shouldn't really matter if they have a good time right, I mean why cant you be happy as long as they are happy.
my brothers on the BW forums,ask yourself this,
Would you really be unhappy/make a big deal if they played an SC2 showmatch even at a cost of a BW one?
we know the roles that these guys play very well in what they do to say without a doubt in our mind that they won't be jumping ship anytime soon.
and my friends on the SC2 fourms,ask yourself this,
Would it really matter to you if they decide to continue their progaming career in BW rather than SC2?
would you be upset,maybe but in the end does it matter?
all I'm saying is we gotta be happy as long as the players are happy,you(we) shouldn't be affected of whatever they do at blizzcon. Yes I will .. because of 2 reason: 1.) The games will suck. It will be a waste of time. BUT, if they just play SC2 with HotS for the sake of trying then it's okay. You asked showmatch and that irks me but if you asked "what if they play a game of SC2 with the new expansion?" then I'm fine 2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers [if there is such a thing]. If you want them to be entertaining, let them play the game they are good at. They get payed to play BW, use it for entertainment value. It's not a matter of 'if they will jump ship or not', because they won't. That's just baseless paranoia BUT then again when you think about the lawsuit that blizzard failed to win, forcing the BW Proscene to swtich to SC2, one can't help but think. It's blizzard's fault why most BW fans are going crazy about this. I'm pretty sure they will only play HoTS showmatches and mostly against each other,I asked my question on the off chance that they don't and play just regular WoL.I couldn't care less if the games suck as long as the players are at least enjoying it. yes, there are such things SC2 progamers no need to insult them please. again you are free to have your own opinion,I'm just asking you to also try looking at things my way. and come on man,its one small 2 day event,even if they don't play BW this weekend.Proleague is starting soon and I'm waiting patiently for it. A showmatch of HotS with BW pros sounds too illogical for me to digest. Seriously, sure they'll be having fun playing the game but a [b]showmatch/b]? If thats the case then I dont think blizzard is doing it right. Opinions differ, I agree but SC2 peeps blatantly harrasing BW threads with garbage like "lol, they'll be switching to EG", blah blah ,, Why even post like that? Where are their basis for these theories? That's obvious trolling and it irks me to no end. I try to keep myself from posting threads like this but 1 less BW poster would mean less visibility of the passion BW fans have for their favorite game. I blame Blizzard for all of this paranoia non-sense. If they didn't had the nerve to touch the scene back then with that wussy lawsuit of theirs, none of these would have happened. I would have bought SC2 [and be miserable with it]. Blizzard is rubbing all of this wrong. Many [who have not bought SC2] people hate blizzard because of how they acted/reacted with the current BW scene and not that they dislike SC2 because of its gameplay and whatever it is they hate about it. asking why people troll is like asking the meaning of life man,and the reason you respond to such threads is the same for most of us. I can't say much on you're issue with Blizzard,but I do believe that they are trying to repair their image, whether or not they succeed is totally upto what they do this weekend. One can hope. lol
indeed, one can truly hope.
I just have problems with people worrying too much about whats going to happen at blizzcon.
just gotta chill,kick back,relax and watch new shit flying out from Blizzard's house,or old shit if they have a few BW games.
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On October 20 2011 01:55 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you
especially since the most successful of each game (flash and Zergbong) made roughly equal amounts of money this past year, (zergbong making almost half a million)
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On October 20 2011 02:33 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:55 TheAntZ wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you especially since the most successful of each game (flash and Zergbong) made roughly equal amounts of money this past year, (zergbong making almost half a million)
Along with the fact that SC2 players work 10+ hours a day to become better to win hundreds of thousands of dollars, aside from sponsor money. Thats. fucking. professional. gaming. Have to be blind to everything but your own opinion not to see that.
doesnt even matter what game it is, if theres people playing a game called rainbow barby fairy tale, and it draws huge amounts of viewers, sponsors, prize money, and they played almost every waking moment to get better at winning this game, rainbow barby fairy tale would have pro gamers. Even if the gameplay sucked shit.
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On October 20 2011 02:33 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:55 TheAntZ wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you especially since the most successful of each game (flash and Zergbong) made roughly equal amounts of money this past year, (zergbong making almost half a million)
NesTea made almost half a million? Source please. Everything I've read suggest he's only made under 200k so far.
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On October 20 2011 01:55 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you
Well, is there? Because I'd be happy to know there are payed professional gamers in SC2 that has the support of companies and is being showed and accepted in and by the public as professionals. Look at how Korea is so proud about Flash in that video about exceptional korean citizens.
I am merely stating the difference between them. But hey, these are opinions, like the rest of the people here who post about their far-fetched ideas and theories like how JD will be joining EG. Could EG even support the current salary of JD which is over atleast 150k?
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On October 20 2011 02:51 aimaimaim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 01:55 TheAntZ wrote:On October 20 2011 01:25 aimaimaim wrote:
2.) They are BW progamers, not SC2 progamers[if there is such a thing]. This is the kind of elitist bullshit that gives BW fans a bad name. When people say 'dont let the opinions of the vocal minority reflect the views of everyone', they are talking about you Well, is there? Because I'd be happy to know there are payed professional gamers in SC2 that has the support of companies and is being showed and accepted in and by the public as professionals. Look at how Korea is so proud about Flash in that video about exceptional korean citizens. I am merely stating the difference between them. But hey, these are opinions, like the rest of the people here who post about their far-fetched ideas and theories like how JD will be joining EG. Could EG even support the current salary of JD which is over atleast 150k?
Are you serious? He's right, this is the kind of elitist bullshit people are talking about. And yes, EG could, and does, have six figure players. They have very serious sponsors.
I've read this entire thread, and a LARGE majority of the hateful, elitist, snarky comments have come from BW fans. Most of the SC2 people I've seen in here have been reasonably respectful. Sure there's been some flamebait, but a majority of the hostility has been crap like this from BW fans.
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