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On September 25 2011 13:04 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 05:59 Ryo wrote:On September 25 2011 05:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On September 24 2011 21:59 Sawamura wrote:On September 24 2011 18:57 Ryo wrote:On September 24 2011 18:37 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On September 24 2011 17:50 Djabanete wrote:On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote:
wait where did this sc2 talk come from There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads. Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene. There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up. Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates. I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else . This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects. You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post? Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH Thanks Ryo. Also, I just spent a whole 2 pages trying to identify the actual relevant posts (ones which don't involve some debate with SC2) while reading. -_- Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 03:34 bearbuddy wrote:
Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX.
That is actually something that worries me. Is STX really the only team that could potentially afford him in addition to their own players (now that Kal is off to ACE)? I know KT and SKT are already paying Flash and Bisu hefty salaries and might not be able to pay JD as well, but is it impossible for, say, Khan or Stars to acquire him? Does anyone know how much the other players on their teams are being paid?
KHAN could probably afford him, and they really need more zerg players too. stars or CJ might be able to afford him, but both of those teams already have a pair of good zerg players each (hydra/effort, zero/soulkey). KHAN/STX are probably the best place for JD to go out of the existing teams, assuming he doesn't sign with some new team that may or may not form. a new team is probably the most desirable place for him to go to maintain balance in proleague lol.
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On September 25 2011 13:43 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 13:04 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:On September 25 2011 05:59 Ryo wrote:On September 25 2011 05:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On September 24 2011 21:59 Sawamura wrote:On September 24 2011 18:57 Ryo wrote:On September 24 2011 18:37 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On September 24 2011 17:50 Djabanete wrote:On September 24 2011 16:13 gladsheim wrote:
wait where did this sc2 talk come from There are some people who want everything and everyone in BW to "make the switch" to SC2, and they like to play heart attack bingo in BW threads. Instead of being defensive, you could have said that it started on page 2 when Jaedong was seen hanging out at oGs house. Plus the uncertainty of currently not being on a team or having a salary, plus past comments about not being against switching to SC2 and desiring to expand his fanbase into the foreign scene. There are plenty of cases of SC2-fanboys trolling BW threads, but this isn't one of them. SC2 has a relatively legitimate place in this thread. Also, perhaps it is just me, but a lot of BW-fanboys seem to be hypersensitive and almost looking for a fight before one even shows up. Just stop. Oz fans actually read this thread for real updates. I agree with ryo , If you guys bent on trashing on jaedong about him going to dota 2 or what ever game out there please go bring your business to some where else . This is exactly what I was talking about. I am not trashing jaedong and I am not trashing BW or SC2 or whatever. Hell, the whole SC2 discussion was brought into this by Telcontar and blade55555, and they were here before SC2 was. Don't label everyone a troll who considers any kind of mention of any possiblity for a player who has no team and no salary outside of BW. SC2, School, hell even the army, why not. Your fishing for a fight in a thread where one doesn't exist. As veterans of team liquid I kind of hold you guys to higher standards then some knee-jerk emotional fan boy from last week, but your hypersensitivity is killing any kind of serious mature discussion one could have on these subjects. You seriously don't see the irony in these statements as well as your previous post? Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. Oz fans, you can check Coach Han's twitter for any updates. He tweeted some pictures worth checking out: https://twitter.com/#!/HwaHH Thanks Ryo. Also, I just spent a whole 2 pages trying to identify the actual relevant posts (ones which don't involve some debate with SC2) while reading. -_- On September 25 2011 03:34 bearbuddy wrote:
Jaedong is probably gonna be the flag-bearer for the new team, if there is going to be one. I don't see any team affording him in addition to their own players, with the exception of STX.
That is actually something that worries me. Is STX really the only team that could potentially afford him in addition to their own players (now that Kal is off to ACE)? I know KT and SKT are already paying Flash and Bisu hefty salaries and might not be able to pay JD as well, but is it impossible for, say, Khan or Stars to acquire him? Does anyone know how much the other players on their teams are being paid? KHAN could probably afford him, and they really need more zerg players too. stars or CJ might be able to afford him, but both of those teams already have a pair of good zerg players each (hydra/effort, zero/soulkey). KHAN/STX are probably the best place for JD to go out of the existing teams, assuming he doesn't sign with some new team that may or may not form. a new team is probably the most desirable place for him to go to maintain balance in proleague lol.
omg just imagine JangBi in this recent momentum, Stork back to this prime, Reality/TurN the top Terran Rookies, AND JAEDONG omg.... i wish that happened.
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Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
I have a feeling Stars are gonna shoot for Sea or Baby, and maybe Jaehoon or bridge. Flying didn't pan out and Guemchi is pretty bad now. I was surprised that Kal went to ACE before Free. Would be nice if Sea and Light can be teammates again.
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i bet EG can pick up jaedong and pay him 10k a month... lol jk
but if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now... but chances of that? no chance.
as mentioned before, jaedong wants fans and fame. does he necessarily want more money? either way, his paycheck is going to be cut drastically due to... not having a team. his salary is forced. jaedong is the kind of person that sticks to his team no matter what. he's been in jaedong oz for how many years? so its hard to say if he's inclined to move to another team or do something else.
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On September 25 2011 14:08 Lokian wrote:
i bet EG can pick up jaedong and pay him 10k a month... lol jk
but if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now... but chances of that? no chance.
as mentioned before, jaedong wants fans and fame. does he necessarily want more money? either way, his paycheck is going to be cut drastically due to... not having a team. his salary is forced. jaedong is the kind of person that sticks to his team no matter what. he's been in jaedong oz for how many years? so its hard to say if he's inclined to move to another team or do something else.
Errr I'm not sure you know how much jaedong makes. I know in 2010 (according to liquidpedia) he made 234,797 US dollars. Thats more then any sc2 player has made and who knows what he made in 09, etc. thats more then anyone has made in sc2 I believe so far.
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On September 25 2011 08:19 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
If SC2 is ever mentions everyone ignites and starts hunting for the SC2 fanboy, even when it was a BW fan that actually brought it up. I was just saying BW fans can be just as polarizing as a lot of SC2 trolls around here.
I don't agree at all. I follow a lot of streams and read quite a lot on TL, and every single time someone makes a comment about BW (from a SC2 perspective), they are trying to belittle the game. "The graphics sucks" "When will Flash switch over?" "I didn't know they still played that game?" These are standard insults.
Even if you say something more subtle, like "I want Jaedong to switch to SC2", then you're still insulting the BW fans. We don't react just because someone mentions SC2. We react because they mention it in a loaded way. Now you could discuss whether we react too strongly or not, but that's another discussion. I've never ever seen anyone flaming a SC2 fan, without the SC2 fan being provokative at first.
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On September 25 2011 14:05 bearbuddy wrote:
Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
Whoa there; nobody settles for Killer. Mini-Dong is probably about as good as the Dong right now.
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On September 25 2011 14:05 bearbuddy wrote:
Khan is really cheap, though. They're probably gonna settle for Roro, Shine, or killer. Conversely, they might just grab a rookie and develop him, like they did with Grape. STX has Hero, Modesty, and Calm... a bit underwhelming, but they've all appeared a decent number of times in proleague games, so I'm not sure STX would grab Jaedong. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that Jaedong would be on the new team-- what better PR than Jaedong? He's practically the poster boy for Lecaf/Hwaseung.
I have a feeling Stars are gonna shoot for Sea or Baby, and maybe Jaehoon or bridge. Flying didn't pan out and Guemchi is pretty bad now. I was surprised that Kal went to ACE before Free. Would be nice if Sea and Light can be teammates again.
it's sort of sad that of the 3 teams disbanding, jaehoon is the best protoss lol. wookie has potential I guess but he hasnt proven any sort of consistency yet (since he is so new). he could be just a fluke like so many rookies before him (remember when classic had a huge winning streak?).
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was i ever comparing jaedong to any sc2 players?
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On September 25 2011 15:04 Lokian wrote:
was i ever comparing jaedong to any sc2 players? You said "if jaedong can win a few sc2 titles, he can make way more than he earns now". There are two current SC2 players who have already won a few SC2 titles (assuming you're counting GSL titles).
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If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
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On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote:
If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 .
lol... cause there can on be one GOD????
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On September 25 2011 16:38 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote:
If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 . lol... cause there can on be one GOD????
flash is no longer god  Jangbi owned him nicely in osl.
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Imagine the superteam that could be formed by bringing the best of OZ, Fox, and MBC Hero together.
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On September 25 2011 05:06 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 04:46 sCuMBaG wrote:On September 25 2011 03:48 Deekin[ wrote:
Didnt JD say in a interview posted here sometime ago that he (and the rest of the BW folks) would join up and start play SC2 in like a year?
Im not saying I want this but Im very sure I read this. and i'm pretty sure you dreamt this... no, but really.... this wouldn't make any sense at all, at least for jaedong. there's SO MUCH MORE money for him in broodwar, that switching to SC2 would be the dumbest thing he could do. i mean it would be nice to see an ACTUYLL GOOD PLAYER switch over to SC2 (don't get me wrong, there are good players, but not a single S-class player in his !!prime!!), but i don't think it's going to happen as long as there's still any money left in broodwar. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157873
i still don't expect him to change as long as he's a top earner in broodwar. it wouldn't make any sense at all.
for one because SC2 doesn't seem to have nicely paid contracts
and secondly, because there's one huge SC2 tournament and a shitload of small foreign tournaments. it's just not worth it financially.
if he wouldn't get picked up by a team, he might switch over. but think he'd even go for his military service before thinking about it, and that only if he doesn's find a worthy new home.
i wouldn't hol my breath to see any S-class player anytime soon.
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And since that Jaedong has also said in an interview that he wants to lead ACE to post-season. He's not going to be able to combine the two
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The biggest con to switching to SC2 would be the fact that SC2 HAS NO MUTA MICRO. T______T I mean, Jaedong without his Mutas? I can't imagine him keeping an interest in SC2 after he realizes that.
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If jaedong switches to SC2 and goes terran, then all hope is lost.
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On September 25 2011 16:42 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:38 ShadeR wrote:On September 25 2011 16:33 Sawamura wrote:
If sc2 is really great as what many people claim it to be , why are they demanding brood war players to go over their game , can't they make their own hero and say hey huk is the bisu of sc2 , MKP is the turn of sc2 , Nestea is the jaedong of sc2 and in every bw thread these annoying comments of XXXXX go to sc2 . lol... cause there can on be one GOD???? flash is no longer god Jangbi owned him nicely in osl.
Never thought I would read this from sawa....Expected more from you....
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On the SC2 money subject. Some teams have salary, it's nowhere near the 200k+ he makes in broodwar but its a livable start and I'm sure alot of teams would be more than willing to give him a normal salary.
Anyway my point wasn't the above, in SC2 you can make 80k~ a month from winning GSL, Means jaedong would need to win 3 out of 12 GSLs a year to make equal or more than he does now.
If what everyone thinks about a real BW player switching to SC2 would rip the scene up is true then this would be no problem at all for him, he would probably even be able to take home more like 6-7 GSLs in a year. That's well more than doubling his salary if we're being optimistic.
Then theres MLG, Blizzcon, Dreamhack, IEM, Assembly etc for global fame and smaller price pool.
The money is there if you're talented.
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