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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
October 06 2011 12:02 GMT
#101
On October 06 2011 20:48 Pulimuli wrote:
I expected to see NaDa's comeback vs fOru when he had the entire map and 50(!) gateways in the OP

lol! ^^ But that was more of a fOru f*kup then a Nada win. Hilarious as hell though ^^
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
October 06 2011 12:16 GMT
#102
On October 06 2011 17:36 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2011 14:23 baubo wrote:
I don't have access to youtube, but just to be sure, are people talking about OSL semi-finals Iris vs Savior game 5 on Neo Arknoid? Because I just watched it for the first time and it really wasn't much of a comeback. In fact, for most of the game I thought Savior was ahead or even. So I feel I must have the wrong game here.

Here's the right VOD :


But as your pointing to the right game, and that there is only another game between the two on this map, which Iris won, this must have been the one.
In case you indeed saw the right one :
+ Show Spoiler +
Lol, wtf, sAviOr is way behind from the moment he does nothing with his mutas to the moment he successfully defends his 4th and denies Iris'. Being on equal bases with Terran with MnMs permantly attacking your drones is not exactly what I'd call even in ZvT... I'd say it qualifies as very very far behind. In fact, I still don't really get how he won the game...
Edit: plus the number of vessels Iris had at some point...


Yep. That was the game I watched.

I preface the following by saying I didn't start watching pro BW until after Savior began to slump. I'm also not a Savior fan. In fact I guess you can put me in the group of people who dislike Savior because his fanboys are so annoying.

So it's weird that I am now actually defending Savior and the absolute brilliance that is his ZvT style that changed ZvT MU forever. Because I cannot fathom this statement from you.

+ Show Spoiler +
sAviOr is way behind from the moment he does nothing with his mutas


My response.
+ Show Spoiler +
I feel the above statement is blasphemy against everything that Savior stood for. Because it misses the core of his build stood for: which is delay the terran push. And Savior not only managed to do that, he did more than that. Now I only saw the game once, so I might be wrong on the details, but I saw that Savior overall made about a control group of mutas, maybe a couple more for the ones he lost. He picked off some marines. He picked off some workers. Maybe 10 of each? Maybe a little less, not that it's important either way. He also picked off a depot for good measure. OTOH, Iris made quite a few turrets. More turrets than terrans normally make against a zerg that never had more than a control group of mutas. What's more is that savior didn't even make lings. Normally you need a group of lings for surrounds if the terran poke his head out. But because the map was so muta friendly, savior didn't have to make lings for almost the entire game(except as defiler food).

Now let's look at the tech timing. Modern TvZ is generally built around the 3-tank, 1-SV push that aims to give terran map control before defiler comes out. If defiler's late, terran generally wins. If defiler's on time, terran sits in front of the base to keep zerg in his base. What about that game? Iris didn't make tanks because he went pure SK terran. Even so, his first mnm group with I believe one SV reached Savior's base AFTER swarm came out. Although somehow savior screwed up and had no lurkers under those swarm.

I don't know how you can say those mutas didn't do anything. It did everything Savior's mutas are designed to do. If it weren't for the one-base muta timing, you can use that game as a textbook on how ZvT should be played in the early game. Savior went 3-base very early, didn't waste larva on lings, didn't even have to make extra lurkers to defend the 3rd due to the map, and was able to tech to defilers without any hinderance from terran. Iris played very timid and allowed Savior to develop quickly and easily. Before Savior's mind fart where he somehow forgot to put lurkers in position under swarm, I thought Savior was massively ahead at that point in the game.


The rest of the game was action-packed, but it never really swayed away from the winner. A few notes below.
+ Show Spoiler +

1. Iris' 3rd didn't last long. And when Savior dropped it, he also dropped the CC which really hurt Iris' economy.
2. Iris never scouted savior's 4th. It was an extra base savior had the entire time. Hidden expos(although it wasn't hidden so much as Iris never bothered to scout) change the game beyond providing extra economy. They also prevent players from making the correct decisions. Iris' pressure was indeed correct facing 3 bases. But not correct when facing 4. He kept thinking Savior should not have enough units and/or economy to keep defending, but he was wrong. Horribly wrong the entire time.
3. Iris' vessel play was horrible in that game. They barely did anything, especially when it comes to limiting defilers. And once there was plague, they were useless because savior went hydra/lurker.
4. Iris' play, while it looks awesome, was not very cost-effective. MnM loses to hive-tech zerg in terms of attrition. Vessels are the key to SK terran because it's the only way to effectively kill high gas units like lurkers and defilers.
5. Drops for the most part didn't do much damage. Not sure why Iris went for them. Given how close together the 3 zerg bases are, it's pretty easy to divert forces among the bases to fend off harass.
6. Iris never expanded. Well, he's berserker and that's always been his style, so I don't fault him. But he never utilized his aggression as a way to expand. If he had another expansion somewhere far, where savior couldn't drop easily, he probably would've won.


Look. I liked the game. It was nice, and now that Savior fanboyism is no longer prevalent at TL, I can appreciate more and more about Savior's greatness. If this was just about great classic games, I'd definitely recommend it. But as a "comeback"? Not really IMO.
Meh
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
October 06 2011 12:44 GMT
#103
Jaedong vs baby
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
October 06 2011 13:03 GMT
#104
Surprise this one wasn't posted. BoxeR vs Pusan @ So1 Semi-Finals (massive comeback on the brink of being 3:0'd)

It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Miwyfe
Profile Joined September 2010
England101 Posts
October 06 2011 20:13 GMT
#105
A phenomenal comeback game from 2011 is Stork vs Horang2 on Benzene, played in March.

e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
October 06 2011 20:25 GMT
#106
On October 06 2011 21:44 Dice wrote:
Jaedong vs baby

The WL game where he was on 2 base for most of the game or something?
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
vinautomatic
Profile Joined June 2010
United States65 Posts
October 06 2011 20:31 GMT
#107
well all u guys are listing korean games

im going with cyrax vs elky 100psi vs 200psi comeback patch 1.06 after 1st wcg -__-
aka nAi. and Oem)CyRaX
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
October 06 2011 21:23 GMT
#108
Does anyone know the game where some polish guy had like an archon and an arbiter and played for like 2 hours with only that?
☺
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
October 06 2011 21:26 GMT
#109
On October 07 2011 05:31 vinautomatic wrote:
well all u guys are listing korean games

im going with cyrax vs elky 100psi vs 200psi comeback patch 1.06 after 1st wcg -__-


That's because 9.9/10 times they play strictly better.

Also, if it's not listed here Boxer VS either FBH or FlaSh....it was easily the best dropship heavy game I've seen to date and it really was a comeback defined by harass and good drops.

The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 06 2011 21:28 GMT
#110
On October 07 2011 06:23 Release wrote:
Does anyone know the game where some polish guy had like an archon and an arbiter and played for like 2 hours with only that?

Uhhh, Dunaj vs some other polish protoss are the WCG Poland qualifiers? i think

I think it was int he pimpest player video series for back then, but im not positive
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-06 21:55:14
October 06 2011 21:54 GMT
#111
On October 07 2011 06:28 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 06:23 Release wrote:
Does anyone know the game where some polish guy had like an archon and an arbiter and played for like 2 hours with only that?

Uhhh, Dunaj vs some other polish protoss are the WCG Poland qualifiers? i think

I think it was int he pimpest player video series for back then, but im not positive


Yeah it's in PP2004

BW forever || Thall
niCe.sKY
Profile Joined February 2005
Switzerland31 Posts
October 06 2011 21:54 GMT
#112
On October 07 2011 06:28 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2011 06:23 Release wrote:
Does anyone know the game where some polish guy had like an archon and an arbiter and played for like 2 hours with only that?

Uhhh, Dunaj vs some other polish protoss are the WCG Poland qualifiers? i think

I think it was int he pimpest player video series for back then, but im not positive


yes it was
the name of the replay was dunaj tactics

http://sclegacy.com/feature/4-pp/267-pimpest-plays-2004#8
~every day is a new day~
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
October 07 2011 07:31 GMT
#113
--- Nuked ---
Ricjames
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Czech Republic1047 Posts
October 07 2011 08:11 GMT
#114
The best comeback is to come back with a god damned sandwich...Yeaaaah!!!

Appreciate all the links, i can't really come up with good comeback game from my head at this moment. Damn i wanna watch all of these now, unfortunately won't have time until tomorrow.
Brood War is the best RTS that has ever been created.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 07 2011 08:13 GMT
#115
ChRh vs Bisu


I felt it was more of a comeback for his career since it was his first victory in over 3 1/2 years and it was against arguably the best player at that time. A real "feel good" moment.
popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
October 07 2011 08:59 GMT
#116
This game might not necessarily be 'the biggest', but it's sweet:

+ Show Spoiler [Jaedong vs Flash on Rush Hour] +
What what the the fuck fuck? That blew my mind so much, I doubled every word in the phrase 'What the fuck' to get: 'What what the the fuck fuck my what the the fuck fucking what did the drop dropship medivac where in the what in the hell?' - Day[9]
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
July 11 2012 04:07 GMT
#117
Well, this game from the (P)JangBi - (Z)ZerO OSL Semifinal deserves to be here
+ Show Spoiler +
Game 4 @ New Sniper Ridge
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
July 11 2012 04:21 GMT
#118
Such an awesome comeback. What an amazing series, definitely one of the best PvZ's ever.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
July 11 2012 04:22 GMT
#119
Pusan vs. FBH, sooooooo epic.

Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 11 2012 04:23 GMT
#120
On October 06 2011 21:16 baubo wrote:


Look. I liked the game. It was nice, and now that Savior fanboyism is no longer prevalent at TL, I can appreciate more and more about Savior's greatness. If this was just about great classic games, I'd definitely recommend it. But as a "comeback"? Not really IMO.


To the death.

It was definitely a high pressure game 5, but I almost agree at this point with it not being a comeback, solely because sAviOr's gameplay was so far ahead of his opponents that he basically won at defiler tech barring powerful enemy attack timings. Still my favorite game of all time though, just for the energy of the game and the general BW scene when we were watching it back in 2007.

In terms of a comeback,

On October 06 2011 22:03 Neo7 wrote:
Surprise this one wasn't posted. BoxeR vs Pusan @ So1 Semi-Finals (massive comeback on the brink of being 3:0'd)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zapXZuWhKOQ


definitely takes the cake.

GGplay vs Iris was also unreal to watch.

Bisu vs sAviOr on Katrina was good play to come back on Bisu's part.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
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