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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 18 2011 02:44 GMT
#21
thanks for uploading this on youtube! im always posting it if im in a debate about sc:bw vs sc2


it really touches my heart

new shit which gets millions of dollars pumped into it like dota2 or lol isnt esports, THAT VIDEO shows what esports really is and how people fell in love with it
Motivate
Profile Joined June 2011
2860 Posts
August 18 2011 02:56 GMT
#22
poor goodfriend lol... i feel so bad, he was so freakin close. epic comeback in that last game by july
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 03:32:35
August 18 2011 03:31 GMT
#23
thanks for uploading this, OP

tears came to me quite a few times while watching this video
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
August 18 2011 04:20 GMT
#24
The strongest memory for me is when Jaedong killed fantasy's vulture on Neo Medusa in the game that completed his comeback from down 0-2, but there are too many memories to list

<3 OSL
brood war for life, brood war forever
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 18 2011 07:43 GMT
#25
GGPlay vs Iris (Daum OSL 2007) , very emotional finals... Love this video, big thanks for re-upload.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
August 18 2011 07:44 GMT
#26
Crunchums that entire series is still my Favorite OSL finals: the most titanic clash between perfect brilliant strategic preparation, and raw might.

OSL forever, all you need is the same type of video for the MSL and MBCGame's safe ^^
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 18 2011 09:34 GMT
#27
On August 18 2011 10:40 Gann1 wrote:
a single tear rolled down my cheek during the incruit OSL list

it was a happy tear

Incruit gets me tearing up every single time =/.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 18 2011 11:28 GMT
#28
On August 18 2011 08:41 hacklebeast wrote:
I remember this, thought it was really cool. Most impressive part was how many times Reach was on it, especially considering how few tosses were doing well in the beginning.


I know, this is sick

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themonkyguy
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia149 Posts
August 18 2011 12:03 GMT
#29
My most vivid memory of OSL was the Korean Air OSL 1.



Having followed Effort ever since his first televised game against Tossgirl in GSL, it felt very special to see him eventually win an OSL against all odds. His win really was a shining beacon of light for all CJ fans during the darkest hours of the match fixing scandal.

also:
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CJ Entusman #48 (-_-)
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 14:41:42
August 18 2011 14:36 GMT
#30
Thank you for uploading this rift!

I remember this video and unfortunatly it was taken down when the Jon747 account was suspended by youtube. This video came at a point many were worried that it might have been the last OSL due to SC2s emergence and the conflict between Blizzard and KeSPA, hence very emotional for every BW fan. Fortunatly it was not the end and hopefully there will be more OSLs to come

Btw my favorite memories are probably from the OSL July won against Goodfriend. That final was so epic. Others that come to mind are Anytimes So1 win, NaDas comeback in IOPS and the finals when NaDa and July secured their golden mouses. Those three players as well as Reach and Flash are my top 5 favorite players of all time but Reachs win came at a point he was expected to win and I guess the same can be said about Flashs OSLs as well. Still good memories though
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 14:42:13
August 18 2011 14:41 GMT
#31
^

The one video of the tribute that was uploaded on jon747 did go away, but it was always still available on nevake (embedded in beginning of tribute):

I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Nosforit
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada260 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 18:40:14
August 18 2011 18:39 GMT
#32
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.
The time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
August 18 2011 18:47 GMT
#33
On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.
Look at the amount of OSL's. There aint a lot, theres like two a year, this isnt the GSL where you spit one out nonchalantly every month.
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
August 18 2011 18:58 GMT
#34
On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.


The OSL is designed to be as random as possible.

The OSL creates drama, the MSL creates champions.
Forward
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 18 2011 19:15 GMT
#35
On August 19 2011 03:58 ZeroChrome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.


The OSL is designed to be as random as possible.

The OSL creates drama, the MSL creates champions.


Eh, not really. OSL just doesn't seed the previous winner with the easiest possible matchups. MSL creates artificially easy paths to multiple championships!
Remember Violet.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 19:24:09
August 18 2011 19:21 GMT
#36
Keep in mind that the starleagues are spaced out quite a bit. (3 per year, I think? Maybe 4 some years) So the players that appear in multiple finals in a row are doing that over a span of many more months than players that appear in multiple GSL finals. The MSL's history, especially its early history, is a better example of how dominant players like (T)NaDa and (T)iloveoov were. (T)NaDa's MSL consecutive finals streak spans well over a year (plus two lost finals to (T)iloveoov and (Z)GoRush. (T)NaDa was in 6/8 MSL finals from April of 2002 to February of 2005

Reebok KPGA 2nd Tour (4/18/02 - 6/22/02) - (T)NaDa > (Z)YellOw
Pepsi Twist KPGA 3rd Tour (7/4/02 - 10/5/02) - (T)NaDa > (P)Reach
Baskin Robbins KPGA 4th Tour (10/25/02 - 1/18/03) - (T)NaDa > (Z)ChoJJa
Stout MSL (4/17/03 - 7/19/03) - (P)Nal_rA > (T)NaDa

(T)Oov's nearly a year

TriGem MSL (9/4/03 - 11/6/03) - (T)iloveoov > (Z)YellOw
HanaFOS CENGAME MSL (1/8/04 - 4/18/04) - (T)iloveoov > (T)NaDa
SPRIS MSL (5/20/04 - 8/29/04) - (T)iloveoov > (P)Kingdom

and (Z)sAviOr's nearly 2 years

UZOO MSL (4/21/05 - 8/6/05) - (Z)sAviOr > (P)Reach
LG CYON MSL (10/6/05 - 1/14/06) - (Z)ChoJJa > (Z)sAviOr
Pringles 1 MSL (4/6/06 - 7/16/06) - (Z)sAviOr > (P)Nal_rA
Pringles 2 MSL (8/17/06 - 11/11/06) - (Z)sAviOr > (Z)Silver
GomTV MSL (11/30/06 -3/3/07) - (P)Bisu > (Z)sAviOr
I drop suckas like Plinko
Nosforit
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada260 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 19:30:33
August 18 2011 19:22 GMT
#37
On August 19 2011 03:47 lizzard_warish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.
Look at the amount of OSL's. There aint a lot, theres like two a year, this isnt the GSL where you spit one out nonchalantly every month.


There have been 32 OSLs. In those 32, there have been 21 different winners and 34 unique participantts in the finals. So the most successful players have won slightly less than 10% of the OSLs over the last decade, and have been in 20% of the finals. Compare that to another 1 on 1 tournament style sport like tennis for example. There have been 40 Grand Slam finals over the past decade. Roger Federer has been in 23 of them. Rafa Nadal has been in 13. Combined, they take up 36 of the 80 possible spots for top 2 finishes in the "Majors". Over the course of the last decade, only 14 men have combined to win all 40 major championships.

Edit: I see from responses that people are comparing SC to SC2 in the sense of dominance, while that is fair, it is important to note that GSL hasn't even existed for a year yet. It may be too soon to say that dominance of that kind isn't possible in SC2. I'd still like to point out though, that in terms of other sports (yes, eSports are sports), SC:BW was blessed with something that many other sports lack... parity.
The time you enjoyed wasting was not wasted time.
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
August 18 2011 19:27 GMT
#38
another example of how dominant Oov was, this makes me smile every time I look at it

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=5&part=games&vs=Z&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2003&from_month=6&from_day=15&to_year=2004&to_month=7&to_day=1&action=Update
I drop suckas like Plinko
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 19:48:31
August 18 2011 19:44 GMT
#39
On August 19 2011 04:22 Nosforit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 03:47 lizzard_warish wrote:
On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:
On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.
Look at the amount of OSL's. There aint a lot, theres like two a year, this isnt the GSL where you spit one out nonchalantly every month.


There have been 32 OSLs. In those 32, there have been 21 different winners and 34 unique participantts in the finals. So the most successful players have won slightly less than 10% of the OSLs over the last decade, and have been in 20% of the finals. Compare that to another 1 on 1 tournament style sport like tennis for example. There have been 40 Grand Slam finals over the past decade. Roger Federer has been in 23 of them. Rafa Nadal has been in 13. Combined, they take up 36 of the 80 possible spots for top 2 finishes in the "Majors". Over the course of the last decade, only 14 men have combined to win all 40 major championships.

Edit: I see from responses that people are comparing SC to SC2 in the sense of dominance, while that is fair, it is important to note that GSL hasn't even existed for a year yet. It may be too soon to say that dominance of that kind isn't possible in SC2. I'd still like to point out though, that in terms of other sports (yes, eSports are sports), SC:BW was blessed with something that many other sports lack... parity.


To be fair, the "prime" time for a player in BW is vastly different from the prime of a tennis player. At 23 years old, a time considered the beginning of many other sport players' prime, it's considered an old age for a BW player. Oov was the oldest player to win an individual league, and he was 22 when he won it. Federer is also one of the most dominant, if not the most dominant tennis figure. I think Flash would be an apt comparison. If not for his injury, he would probably continue his dominant streak and appear (and win) in most of the league finals.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 18 2011 20:07 GMT
#40
Nosforit,

The format and structure of the OSL has changed several times during its existence. Not only that, but there are so many qualifiers to go through in order to actually make it in. The video doesn't do justice to it. You'll see a lot of the same names in the top 16 though.

There's a lot more to it than meets the eye.
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