Ongamenet Starleague History

On August 18 2011 08:43 RHCPgergo wrote:
Wow... so many memories indeed.

edit: notice how they don't show savior at all (I guess noone is shown from those involved in the betting scandal).

also: Thanks for posting this!

On August 18 2011 09:03 Gao Xi wrote:

Uhh what?
Savior won 3 MSLs and 1 OSL. The one OSL that he won is shown in there with footage of it. starting at 9:00~

On August 18 2011 09:09 rift wrote:


Ya, but Savior's appearance has been 1984'd

On August 18 2011 09:30 Noel Vermillion wrote:
I got lot's of course the Canadian "Grrr" the first non korean winning OSL :D Canada! FlaSh winning over Stork in 2008.

On August 18 2011 10:40 Gann1 wrote:
a single tear rolled down my cheek during the incruit OSL list

it was a happy tear

On August 18 2011 08:41 hacklebeast wrote:
I remember this, thought it was really cool. Most impressive part was how many times Reach was on it, especially considering how few tosses were doing well in the beginning.

On August 18 2011 09:59 Keone wrote:Even the SC2 kids... so they can respect not only the heritage of SC2, but so that they can know. How incredible. Boxer/Nada/July were in their day. They were gods among mortals, they walked every huge stage, they won everything, they were the top of the gaming world, standing on stages we only dream of.

On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.

On August 19 2011 03:58 ZeroChrome wrote:


The OSL is designed to be as random as possible.

The OSL creates drama, the MSL creates champions.

On August 19 2011 03:47 lizzard_warish wrote:
Look at the amount of OSL's. There aint a lot, theres like two a year, this isnt the GSL where you spit one out nonchalantly every month.

On August 19 2011 04:22 Nosforit wrote:


There have been 32 OSLs. In those 32, there have been 21 different winners and 34 unique participantts in the finals. So the most successful players have won slightly less than 10% of the OSLs over the last decade, and have been in 20% of the finals. Compare that to another 1 on 1 tournament style sport like tennis for example. There have been 40 Grand Slam finals over the past decade. Roger Federer has been in 23 of them. Rafa Nadal has been in 13. Combined, they take up 36 of the 80 possible spots for top 2 finishes in the "Majors". Over the course of the last decade, only 14 men have combined to win all 40 major championships.

Edit: I see from responses that people are comparing SC to SC2 in the sense of dominance, while that is fair, it is important to note that GSL hasn't even existed for a year yet. It may be too soon to say that dominance of that kind isn't possible in SC2. I'd still like to point out though, that in terms of other sports (yes, eSports are sports), SC:BW was blessed with something that many other sports lack... parity.

On August 19 2011 03:39 Nosforit wrote:


I'm one of your 'SC2 kids', and I was very surprised at exactly the opposite. I mean, I know that no one had ever won more than 3 OSLs, but I was genuinely surprised by the... I guess lack of dominance. There were no stretches where you only had 2 or 3 people who were even capable of making a final. There were a few people who only appeared once in a finals, and won the whole thing. Maybe its just because you can't see the full tournament brackets, but I really can't see how winning 3 OSLs out of the MANY that have taken place over the course of the last decade can be construed as dominance. If anything, the parity is simply astounding to me.

On August 19 2011 05:18 Cheeseburgered wrote:


Keep in mind that there's not an OSL every month, more like 3 per year unlike the GSL so two OSLs would take a time span of about 6 - 7 months

edit: and most of the players who are "dominating" over a period of time are in two leagues at once, and only 2 people have won dual golds in one season... only 2 dominant players have won dual leagues just to give you an example of how challenging it is for them.

On August 19 2011 04:22 Nosforit wrote:


There have been 32 OSLs. In those 32, there have been 21 different winners and 34 unique participantts in the finals. So the most successful players have won slightly less than 10% of the OSLs over the last decade, and have been in 20% of the finals. Compare that to another 1 on 1 tournament style sport like tennis for example. There have been 40 Grand Slam finals over the past decade. Roger Federer has been in 23 of them. Rafa Nadal has been in 13. Combined, they take up 36 of the 80 possible spots for top 2 finishes in the "Majors". Over the course of the last decade, only 14 men have combined to win all 40 major championships.

Edit: I see from responses that people are comparing SC to SC2 in the sense of dominance, while that is fair, it is important to note that GSL hasn't even existed for a year yet. It may be too soon to say that dominance of that kind isn't possible in SC2. I'd still like to point out though, that in terms of other sports (yes, eSports are sports), SC:BW was blessed with something that many other sports lack... parity.

On December 05 2010 18:00 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Can't believe no one has posted the song list for the OSL Montage Video yet (Korean Air S2 10 years Tribute Vid). <- I love this video to death, watch/listen to their songs every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvd-GXMPYao#t=39m17s

Secondhand Serenade: (In the same order as the video)

Reach For The Sky
Distance
You And I
World Turns
Something More
Only Hope

All off their Hear Me Now album, couldn't find all of the songs on YouTube, so here's their myspace page instead, has the player with music.

http://www.myspace.com/secondhandserenade

On August 19 2011 06:52 Cheeseburgered wrote:
If there was so much equality then nada, iloveoov, savior, and flash (boxer too I guess) would not have had their period(s) where they were nearly invincible

If you don't think flash winning 2 osl's and msl's in one year and getting dual golds in the process, iloveoov and nada winning 3 msl's in a row and then an osl, or savior making 5 msl finals in a row and winning 3 of them along with playing terran imba maps and making the terrans look like amateurs on them isn't dominance then I don't know what to say

On August 18 2011 09:09 rift wrote:


Ya, but Savior's appearance has been 1984'd

On August 19 2011 06:57 Nosforit wrote:


Ah, but I've been getting my information based upon OSL not MSL! See, now saying someone has won 3 MSL's in a row, or making 5 MSL finals in a row, yes, I can say that's dominant.

On August 19 2011 08:00 imperator-xy wrote:

i think you cant really measure dominance by looking at how often someone won a title in a certain time.

if you look at football, no one will doubt that barcelona is clearly the best team for some years already.
in fact they only won champions league (the most imporant competition) twice during the last five seasons.
still everyone has been scared about them and no one would dare to say that theres a better team than them, i think thats pretty similar to SC:BW if we look at the bonjwas

On August 19 2011 07:55 Tschis wrote:


What does this mean?

On August 19 2011 06:57 Nosforit wrote:


Ah, but I've been getting my information based upon OSL not MSL! See, now saying someone has won 3 MSL's in a row, or making 5 MSL finals in a row, yes, I can say that's dominant.

On August 18 2011 10:40 Gann1 wrote:
a single tear rolled down my cheek during the incruit OSL list

it was a happy tear

On August 19 2011 06:57 Nosforit wrote:


Ah, but I've been getting my information based upon OSL not MSL! See, now saying someone has won 3 MSL's in a row, or making 5 MSL finals in a row, yes, I can say that's dominant.

On August 19 2011 19:30 Cheeseburgered wrote:


... the OSL isn't about dominance

On August 19 2011 23:29 samuraibael wrote:
Ive never heard of the zerg jju+__+ who appears in almost every osl in the first half.

On August 20 2011 00:53 Anxiety wrote:
I wish I was born a few years earlier...

On August 20 2011 01:59 Gann1 wrote:


he was khan's ace for a long time. solid player, but not great

On August 20 2011 23:41 FuRong wrote:
This clip is still so amazing every time I watch it.

I still remember after that final, I was about to turn off the TV but I went to get a drink and when I came back this was playing, and I just sat there captivated through the whole thing.

Someone should post this in the SC2 section too imo. Maybe people wouldn't talk so much crap about legends like Nada and July if they actually knew the history...

On August 21 2011 12:45 pubbanana wrote:

Just posting to say I had tears in my eyes ...

On August 21 2011 13:24 tangwhat wrote:


Same. BW is off the charts man, so many memories.

On August 18 2011 11:44 stork4ever wrote:
This video reminds us that sc2 scene is no where close to the bw scene. The fans/signs/emotions/tears/storylines/heroes/villains/pain/triumphs. Tell me Reach's intro of him putting on headphones don't pump you up, the shots of the tears of the vanquished second placers, and the costumes/uniforms!!!! Thank you scbw for making my life that much better!