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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
July 31 2011 15:44 GMT
#1581
On August 01 2011 00:41 Zzoram wrote:
Does this mean that Broodwar in South Korea is losing momentum, and Starcraft 2 isn't growing fast enough to fill the void?


Support BW and support for other games is fine.Just that Kpop has greater momentum..
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Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
July 31 2011 15:45 GMT
#1582
On August 01 2011 00:30 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 23:02 Kalent wrote:
On July 31 2011 22:38 Earawen wrote:
I understand why some ppl are sad but let's face it, it was only a matter of time before scbw gets less and less popular. They've got less money than sc2 (yeah gsl prize pools are huge) and it will continue to evolve that way. I love BW and it's a sad news indeed (if it's confirmed) but it was predictable.

Also, i'm laughing so hard off my a** each time I read "this descision is ruining esport, esport is dead the end of the world is coming". Guyz...oh guyz... SCBW is not the only reason esport leaves anymore. I love love bw dont get me wrong but as good as the game is, it's getting rly rly old and it will dissapear but it was an amaizing run. Time for next starcraft generation Hope it will bring the last bw players to sc2.


79 pages into the thread and we still have posts like this...


Except he is right. Things change.


no, hes wrong about alot of things
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
July 31 2011 15:50 GMT
#1583
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
July 31 2011 15:59 GMT
#1584
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.
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Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
July 31 2011 16:03 GMT
#1585
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


I think ITW summed it up pretty nicely with this post by saying
On July 29 2011 05:31 IntoTheWow wrote:
Ok, gravity of the situation (imo)
+ Show Spoiler +

Brood War through it's history has been run on 2 channels mainly: OnGameNet (OGN) and MBC Game (MBC).

The two big single leagues Brood War has are OSL (Ongame net StarLeague) and MSL (Mbc StarLeague). There was another single league run by GomTV but it died some time ago (because of KeSPA reasons and things that are not relevant). There are also some off-season single leagues now and then, but those are minor in the grand scheme of things.

The team league (what we call Proleague) is run by both channels together MBC and OGN. There's 2 matches a night, one on each channel. Finals are on both channels at the same time.

These news are important because MBC Game is a channel dedicated to video games. Besides the Brood War main shows (MSL, Proleague), MBC also has other shows like MBC Hero Attack (where TL Attack got the idea from), some shows were commentators play with players, an 'amateur' Brood War league etc.

Besides that MBC hosts shows on other games like Tekken Crash (fighting game), Special Forces (Counter-Strike korean clone) and if I remember correctly other online games like Kart Rider (mario kart online basically).

This means that if MBC is gone, first part of the infrastructure could be gone or re-conditioned for the Kpop music channel. They own a studio where the matches are played.

Commentators could lose their job and people who work here. Some of the people could still work for the music channel I guess: camera guys, lighting, make-up, directors, etc.

The name would be gone. MSL exists because beside the infrastructure it holds prestige, they have a relationship with KeSPA and teams (Gom league had the cash, but didn't have this). They also have a strong name, which lets them negotiate with big sponsors.
+ Show Spoiler +

So, I don't want to blow this out of proportion, because no news are final yet. But MBC Game closing down (or switching to another thing) would be pretty big for BW and pretty big for any niche Esports in Korea.


I do not disagree with your post in the least, but losing half of ProLeague televised coverage is a pretty big deal when you are talking about eSports growth...
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Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
July 31 2011 16:04 GMT
#1586
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.


My dream scenario is that GOM has some enormous amounts of cash on hand and acquires MBCGame, retains all its BW infrastructure and programming and keeps the show rolling.

This is all so scary T_T
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
July 31 2011 16:06 GMT
#1587
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.

and made epic variety shows like the Hyungjun series, Bnet Attack and Sungchoon Show.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
July 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#1588
On August 01 2011 01:06 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.

and made epic variety shows like the Hyungjun series, Bnet Attack and Sungchoon Show.


yeah them too.
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Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
July 31 2011 17:49 GMT
#1589
On August 01 2011 01:04 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.


My dream scenario is that GOM has some enormous amounts of cash on hand and acquires MBCGame, retains all its BW infrastructure and programming and keeps the show rolling.

This is all so scary T_T


GOM is smaller, doesn't really work out all too well. GOM isn't a TV channel, it's just an internet streamer.
johngalt90
Profile Joined May 2010
United States357 Posts
July 31 2011 23:47 GMT
#1590
certianly a mixed bag of news. MBC was kinda of crap (foreigner haters) but then again BW is gonna be in trouble also
fuck the haters
Jragon
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1471 Posts
August 01 2011 00:21 GMT
#1591
On July 31 2011 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 21:41 mansa wrote:
On July 31 2011 21:22 evanthebouncy! wrote:
And the saddest of all is how youtube took down all the "copy right infringed" starcraft vods... we used to have all the vods in tact, ALL the games ever played, faithfully recorded. It's such a huge shame they are lost.

i'm sighing in the most audible way



Any link? Of this VODS getting taken down. I haven't looked into VODS lately. :/ And I haven't seen any getting taken down yet.


hes probably talking about Jon747,because it can't be nevake,hell just a few hours ago Hwaseung's official youtube account made a comment on nevake's account
Show nested quote +
LecafOZ (11 hours ago)
Very Thanks VOD, but there is some mistake. HwaseungOZ Protoss Shy,김유진,is NOT Shy but sOs[KaL]. Please modify player's ID



The progame teams know, and apparently approve, of Nevake? Why did Jon747 get taken down then?
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1746 Posts
August 01 2011 00:42 GMT
#1592
Jon747 was due to WCG content iirc. Not because of Proleague etc.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
August 01 2011 02:35 GMT
#1593
On August 01 2011 09:42 ImbaTosS wrote:
Jon747 was due to WCG content iirc. Not because of Proleague etc.


Disappointing that they never got his account back . Wasn't it just a few videos out of hundred which were a problem? Could have just kept the account but removed the WCG content.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
August 01 2011 02:44 GMT
#1594
On August 01 2011 08:47 johngalt90 wrote:
certianly a mixed bag of news. MBC was kinda of crap (foreigner haters) but then again BW is gonna be in trouble also


where did you get that from?
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Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
August 01 2011 02:59 GMT
#1595
On August 01 2011 02:49 Weedk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 01:04 Klonere wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.


My dream scenario is that GOM has some enormous amounts of cash on hand and acquires MBCGame, retains all its BW infrastructure and programming and keeps the show rolling.

This is all so scary T_T


GOM is smaller, doesn't really work out all too well. GOM isn't a TV channel, it's just an internet streamer.


Yeah, but a daughter of CJ.
If MBC goes really down, maybe CJ + Gom could do something, i'm hoping it if it really happens.
wat
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 03:04:00
August 01 2011 03:00 GMT
#1596
On August 01 2011 08:47 johngalt90 wrote:
MBC was kinda of crap

Get the fuck out.

I mean, what makes you say such a thing?
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 06:27:06
August 01 2011 06:26 GMT
#1597
Have there been any (official) response from pros regarding this? Obviously it is disappointing but I wonder what the pros have to say and what their reactions are.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 01 2011 06:43 GMT
#1598
On August 01 2011 11:59 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 02:49 Weedk wrote:
On August 01 2011 01:04 Klonere wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.


My dream scenario is that GOM has some enormous amounts of cash on hand and acquires MBCGame, retains all its BW infrastructure and programming and keeps the show rolling.

This is all so scary T_T


GOM is smaller, doesn't really work out all too well. GOM isn't a TV channel, it's just an internet streamer.


Yeah, but a daughter of CJ.
If MBC goes really down, maybe CJ + Gom could do something, i'm hoping it if it really happens.

I can't remember why i think this but isn't OGN also a duaghter of CJ?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
August 01 2011 06:47 GMT
#1599
On August 01 2011 15:43 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 11:59 Elefanto wrote:
On August 01 2011 02:49 Weedk wrote:
On August 01 2011 01:04 Klonere wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 01 2011 00:50 Zzoram wrote:
I think E-sports in Korea is probably fine. It could only ever handle so much E-sports, and GOM has essentially replaced MBC hasn't it? I mean in terms of there formerly being 2 major E-sports broadcasters in the form of OGN and MBC. We may be losing MBC but we have a much more foreigner friendly GOM in it's place.


that would be true if GOM covered games other than SC2.


My dream scenario is that GOM has some enormous amounts of cash on hand and acquires MBCGame, retains all its BW infrastructure and programming and keeps the show rolling.

This is all so scary T_T


GOM is smaller, doesn't really work out all too well. GOM isn't a TV channel, it's just an internet streamer.


Yeah, but a daughter of CJ.
If MBC goes really down, maybe CJ + Gom could do something, i'm hoping it if it really happens.

I can't remember why i think this but isn't OGN also a duaghter of CJ?


yes OGN is also a daughter company of CJ,CJ owns On Media,who own OnGameNet.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
August 01 2011 06:49 GMT
#1600
On August 01 2011 09:21 Jragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On July 31 2011 21:41 mansa wrote:
On July 31 2011 21:22 evanthebouncy! wrote:
And the saddest of all is how youtube took down all the "copy right infringed" starcraft vods... we used to have all the vods in tact, ALL the games ever played, faithfully recorded. It's such a huge shame they are lost.

i'm sighing in the most audible way



Any link? Of this VODS getting taken down. I haven't looked into VODS lately. :/ And I haven't seen any getting taken down yet.


hes probably talking about Jon747,because it can't be nevake,hell just a few hours ago Hwaseung's official youtube account made a comment on nevake's account
LecafOZ (11 hours ago)
Very Thanks VOD, but there is some mistake. HwaseungOZ Protoss Shy,김유진,is NOT Shy but sOs[KaL]. Please modify player's ID



The progame teams know, and apparently approve, of Nevake? Why did Jon747 get taken down then?

IIRC, the copyrighted content that got jon747 taken down was related to games played during wcg and/or one of the gom leagues. Don't quote me on that though.
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