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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
July 29 2011 00:55 GMT
#1521
gravity of the situation (imo)

Also they are main sponsors of MBCSea, I believe.
Plus we have some speculations about STX going on sales and Wemade Fox disbanding.
My bw T_T
I worry about takken guys, do they have any other channels for them?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 29 2011 01:00 GMT
#1522
On July 29 2011 08:02 TBone- wrote:
My condolences to all of you brood war players. As a fairly new person to the esports scene, I understand that this was an important part of your childhoods.



Some of you really need to read more than 1-2 posts. I feel sorry for you.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 01:42:33
July 29 2011 01:29 GMT
#1523
On July 29 2011 08:02 TBone- wrote:
My condolences to all of you brood war players. As a fairly new person to the esports scene, I understand that this was an important part of your childhoods.

Despite your good intentions, it comes off arrogant to think one can psychoanalyze someone through a few lines of text they've written and surmise the full depth of their passion towards BW as being due to mere childhood nostalgia.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 29 2011 02:27 GMT
#1524
On July 29 2011 10:29 CountChocula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 08:02 TBone- wrote:
My condolences to all of you brood war players. As a fairly new person to the esports scene, I understand that this was an important part of your childhoods.

Despite your good intentions, it comes off arrogant to think one can psychoanalyze someone through a few lines of text they've written and surmise the full depth of their passion towards BW as being due to mere childhood nostalgia.


Lol, I love you for this. You win my personal "Rebuttal of the Day" award.

Anyhow, I sincerely hope the owners of MBCGame decide to change their minds.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
July 29 2011 02:33 GMT
#1525
On July 29 2011 08:02 TBone- wrote:
My condolences to all of you brood war players. As a fairly new person to the esports scene, I understand that this was an important part of your childhoods.


Childhoods? Are you for real? I hope you had good intentions but what you wrote sounds really really wrong and actually offensive to me.
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 02:43:16
July 29 2011 02:36 GMT
#1526
I have never really been into the SC:BW as I started following progaming with SC2 but this sucks for everyone, I really want BW to survive as it means so much to so many people.

Trying to link the dots in my head, a couple of things pop in my mind:
- have sponsors/teams been renewing contracts recently? If so, that would be a big sign that they know (or they believe it is likely) that the situation will be somehow solved.
- could the recent agreement between KESPA and Blizzard have something to do with this?
- obviously dropping an e-sports channel is bad news for e-sports, but perhaps BW is not the problem. Perhaps it is the other games that do not attract enough attention.

Edit: the guy who posted the Jaedong video is a hero.
Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
July 29 2011 03:19 GMT
#1527
On July 29 2011 09:50 pyrogenetix wrote:
what the FUCK


i literally said this out loud;

prepare for the worst, but hope for the best i guess

fingers crossed..
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
July 29 2011 03:39 GMT
#1528
oh what the hell

This is not what I wanted to read, not at all.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
July 29 2011 03:56 GMT
#1529
Huh.

At least ANIBOX will turn into game channel. -_-

As long as I keep getting my dose of other E-Sports content on other channels, I'll be content.
AltaiR_
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Korea (South)922 Posts
July 29 2011 04:05 GMT
#1530
On July 29 2011 04:41 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 03:27 Letmelose wrote:
On July 29 2011 02:49 SC2Joker wrote:
Now is the time for eSports to be strong. BW and SC2 fans must unite to save eSports. Come, join the dark side. We have cookies :D


I was going to write an angry post filling up the entire scene telling you to go fuck yourself. Then I realized that this scene doesn't mean all that much to you, and this was your way of easing some people into what you see as a natural transition.

Well, have you ever considered that it may be unwise to mention such things to those who don't want to "move on"? What about the high level commentary of those whose ten year experience is about to go to dust? It's not some show that's going off the air, it's an entire broadcasting station that's about to be shut down. Do you even have any idea of the magnitude involved with this entire fucked up situation before throwing around cute words like eSports? You think the moment the scene takes a huge hit like this I'm suddenly going to fall in love with the idea of watching some amateur that couldn' cut it in the real deal streaming some ladder games in his appartment playing a game that I couldn't care less for?

I'm sorry, I think showing some fucking respect and restraint will be much appreciated by the likes of me who is fucking pissed off and worried as hell, as opposed to this happy-as-can-be attitude you're showing right now in the face of grave times.


Show nested quote +
Understand this: if any of us care about SC2, they already follow it. Those who don't, won't suddenly start to like SC2. I do not give a shit about "esports", I care about BW. How hard is that to understand?

Its not our responsibility, as SC2 players, to tiptoe around your extreme sensitivities.

That post you responded to was good natured and positive but you responded to it like that dude just insulted your mother. Here's a dose of reality: people that didn't play BW probably don't care that much about this situation. No one owes it to you to care as much as you do and talk about it like its a big tragedy. In the grand scheme its just a damn game, its not like people cheering in the streets during 9/11. People can see the positives in this, if they want to.

ed: double word


User was warned for this post

Usually this kind of shit is ignored, but this is 76 god damn pages into it, and if someone doesn't get the message now, I have to say..are you fucking stupid?

In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever. (If there was no BW proscene, there wouldn't be a SC2 proscene.) The admins and banlings around you are forum veterans, and a lot of SC2 pros are originated from BW. Do you know what that means? They're former BROOD WAR players as well as the rest of us, and saying that you shouldn't care because a foundation of BW doesn't owe it to SC2 is trampling on that fucking history. So yes, you did say it like you insulted someone's mother.
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JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
July 29 2011 04:09 GMT
#1531
On July 29 2011 13:05 AltaiR_ wrote:
In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever.


Don't worry, the history will live on within your hearts and liquipedia.

TBH, I'm feeling bittersweet about this.
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
July 29 2011 04:26 GMT
#1532
On July 29 2011 13:09 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 13:05 AltaiR_ wrote:
In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever.


Don't worry, the history will live on within your hearts and liquipedia.

TBH, I'm feeling bittersweet about this.


Sorry, this is extremely condescending and thoughtless. Liquipedia does not host tournaments, battle.net attack, interviews with BW pros, or former pros playing UMS games with the intention of spreading knowledge about unit usage/composition.

Liquipedia is a fan-based resource and as such it's not complete. Most of the people who contribute to it don't even speak Korean. If I took the time to learn the language, wouldn't I feel vexed that half of what is important to me vanishes due to corporate decisions?

Sure. That's the world, it sucks that breaking even isn't enough for MBC, but this definitely bigger than you make it to be. I fail to see how is this 'bittersweet' when its effects are wholly negative.

Liquipedia won't stream new games, Liquipedia won't scream 리버리버리버리버리버리버!!!

I actually care about the repercussions of this. What will happen to the pro-teams? Will OGN stream proleague on its own? Is a monopoly good for the industry that is BW? Will pros work harder to win the single individual league or begin withdrawing from the game? What about EffOrt?-he just came back to BW after a few months of hiatus goddamit.

I sincerely hope fans of MBC Game will do as much as humanly possible to prevent this tragedy from actually occurring.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
where
Profile Joined February 2011
144 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 04:32:00
July 29 2011 04:31 GMT
#1533
noooo ;/
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
July 29 2011 04:41 GMT
#1534
On July 29 2011 13:05 AltaiR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 04:41 Vul wrote:
On July 29 2011 03:27 Letmelose wrote:
On July 29 2011 02:49 SC2Joker wrote:
Now is the time for eSports to be strong. BW and SC2 fans must unite to save eSports. Come, join the dark side. We have cookies :D


I was going to write an angry post filling up the entire scene telling you to go fuck yourself. Then I realized that this scene doesn't mean all that much to you, and this was your way of easing some people into what you see as a natural transition.

Well, have you ever considered that it may be unwise to mention such things to those who don't want to "move on"? What about the high level commentary of those whose ten year experience is about to go to dust? It's not some show that's going off the air, it's an entire broadcasting station that's about to be shut down. Do you even have any idea of the magnitude involved with this entire fucked up situation before throwing around cute words like eSports? You think the moment the scene takes a huge hit like this I'm suddenly going to fall in love with the idea of watching some amateur that couldn' cut it in the real deal streaming some ladder games in his appartment playing a game that I couldn't care less for?

I'm sorry, I think showing some fucking respect and restraint will be much appreciated by the likes of me who is fucking pissed off and worried as hell, as opposed to this happy-as-can-be attitude you're showing right now in the face of grave times.


Understand this: if any of us care about SC2, they already follow it. Those who don't, won't suddenly start to like SC2. I do not give a shit about "esports", I care about BW. How hard is that to understand?

Its not our responsibility, as SC2 players, to tiptoe around your extreme sensitivities.

That post you responded to was good natured and positive but you responded to it like that dude just insulted your mother. Here's a dose of reality: people that didn't play BW probably don't care that much about this situation. No one owes it to you to care as much as you do and talk about it like its a big tragedy. In the grand scheme its just a damn game, its not like people cheering in the streets during 9/11. People can see the positives in this, if they want to.

ed: double word


User was warned for this post

Usually this kind of shit is ignored, but this is 76 god damn pages into it, and if someone doesn't get the message now, I have to say..are you fucking stupid?

In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever. (If there was no BW proscene, there wouldn't be a SC2 proscene.) The admins and banlings around you are forum veterans, and a lot of SC2 pros are originated from BW. Do you know what that means? They're former BROOD WAR players as well as the rest of us, and saying that you shouldn't care because a foundation of BW doesn't owe it to SC2 is trampling on that fucking history. So yes, you did say it like you insulted someone's mother.


Wow

For one, it wasn't my post that insulted anyone's mother, figuratively or literally. That was a reference to someone else's post which you can view, easily enough, if you expand all the quotes.

Once again, my point was that its one thing to flame people for being purposefully offensive. It is another to flame people (to the extent that he was flamed, especially) for a post which was ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE NICE TO THE BW COMMUNITY.

You need to actually read people's posts before you just jump in here. You clearly didn't even understand mine, nor did you read the rest of the replies that I made in this thread, in which I mention that I played BW for 5 years and am not happy about this either. Oh yea, and if its history its not lost forever.

And no, nobody owes you anything like that, no matter how cool or foundational you think the game is. What a ridiculous argument



StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 29 2011 04:59 GMT
#1535
On July 29 2011 13:09 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 13:05 AltaiR_ wrote:
In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever.


Don't worry, the history will live on within your hearts and liquipedia.

TBH, I'm feeling bittersweet about this.


There is nothing bittersweet about this. lmao

My God. I've explained this at least 40 times in this thread alone and Vul your intentions might be good, but still there is no need to harp on one thing. History you say? We can keep making more history with MBC Game and once again it goes far beyond BW.

Instead of nitpicking with one another. FOR ESPORTS!

Goodness gracious big balls of fire. I swear some people need some sense knocked into them.


Badly.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 29 2011 05:04 GMT
#1536
On July 29 2011 13:41 Vul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2011 13:05 AltaiR_ wrote:
On July 29 2011 04:41 Vul wrote:
On July 29 2011 03:27 Letmelose wrote:
On July 29 2011 02:49 SC2Joker wrote:
Now is the time for eSports to be strong. BW and SC2 fans must unite to save eSports. Come, join the dark side. We have cookies :D


I was going to write an angry post filling up the entire scene telling you to go fuck yourself. Then I realized that this scene doesn't mean all that much to you, and this was your way of easing some people into what you see as a natural transition.

Well, have you ever considered that it may be unwise to mention such things to those who don't want to "move on"? What about the high level commentary of those whose ten year experience is about to go to dust? It's not some show that's going off the air, it's an entire broadcasting station that's about to be shut down. Do you even have any idea of the magnitude involved with this entire fucked up situation before throwing around cute words like eSports? You think the moment the scene takes a huge hit like this I'm suddenly going to fall in love with the idea of watching some amateur that couldn' cut it in the real deal streaming some ladder games in his appartment playing a game that I couldn't care less for?

I'm sorry, I think showing some fucking respect and restraint will be much appreciated by the likes of me who is fucking pissed off and worried as hell, as opposed to this happy-as-can-be attitude you're showing right now in the face of grave times.


Understand this: if any of us care about SC2, they already follow it. Those who don't, won't suddenly start to like SC2. I do not give a shit about "esports", I care about BW. How hard is that to understand?

Its not our responsibility, as SC2 players, to tiptoe around your extreme sensitivities.

That post you responded to was good natured and positive but you responded to it like that dude just insulted your mother. Here's a dose of reality: people that didn't play BW probably don't care that much about this situation. No one owes it to you to care as much as you do and talk about it like its a big tragedy. In the grand scheme its just a damn game, its not like people cheering in the streets during 9/11. People can see the positives in this, if they want to.

ed: double word


User was warned for this post

Usually this kind of shit is ignored, but this is 76 god damn pages into it, and if someone doesn't get the message now, I have to say..are you fucking stupid?

In the grand scheme it's just a damn game? Do you know where you are? It's a GAMING WEBSITE. This TRAGEDY means that a part of history has been lost forever. (If there was no BW proscene, there wouldn't be a SC2 proscene.) The admins and banlings around you are forum veterans, and a lot of SC2 pros are originated from BW. Do you know what that means? They're former BROOD WAR players as well as the rest of us, and saying that you shouldn't care because a foundation of BW doesn't owe it to SC2 is trampling on that fucking history. So yes, you did say it like you insulted someone's mother.


Wow

For one, it wasn't my post that insulted anyone's mother, figuratively or literally. That was a reference to someone else's post which you can view, easily enough, if you expand all the quotes.

Once again, my point was that its one thing to flame people for being purposefully offensive. It is another to flame people (to the extent that he was flamed, especially) for a post which was ACTUALLY MEANT TO BE NICE TO THE BW COMMUNITY.

You need to actually read people's posts before you just jump in here. You clearly didn't even understand mine, nor did you read the rest of the replies that I made in this thread, in which I mention that I played BW for 5 years and am not happy about this either. Oh yea, and if its history its not lost forever.

And no, nobody owes you anything like that, no matter how cool or foundational you think the game is. What a ridiculous argument





The thing is you have to realized this is the broodwar forum what do you expect hugs from us ? for sc2 players ? who comes in and trample on us on the occasion of our most important tournament that is probably is going to be gone forever ? . This is our turf and we are going to defend it so I don't give a damn if you are thinking you can push us around .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Pelopidas
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada225 Posts
July 29 2011 05:05 GMT
#1537
This is awful, I hope it doesn't happen or at least someone else picks up MSL/Proleague. Still, I don't think this is the end of BW, and it will certainly not help SC2. If anything this symbolizes reduced support for eSports overall in South Korea.
Esports killed Starcraft
Menzies
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
July 29 2011 05:19 GMT
#1538
I only hope that this can strengthen the OSL and SPL tournaments, damn this is really sad I can't believe it MSL will be a thing of the past D=
Never ever ever give up. Impossible is nothing
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
July 29 2011 05:29 GMT
#1539
no more msl? ...shiiiiiiiiit

looks like bisu only has one more chance at taking a title ^^ jkjk
Graphicscolosi suck
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
July 29 2011 05:32 GMT
#1540
this whole "esports" thing (i really hate having to refer to video games as if they were a legitimate sport, i'd rather call it the bw progaming scene) should remain exclusive to brood war and korea. i wish bw would last forever but if it goes down in korea then i truly hope that video game "sports" around the world will become a thing of the past. back to football and nbl everyone.

i love bw for what it is because it is in truth not really a sport as much as a cultural phenomenon that was korea-centric that became socially accessible. the other character-less video games should just remain as video games. let BW's legacy stand uncontested.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
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