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On May 24 2011 02:57 Yxes2211 wrote:I dunno if ZerO would do well in a finals against Flash... I know he has the skills to put up amazing matches against Flash, but ZerO gets so damn hesitant in the semis and I would assume that would carry over to the finals. That said, if there was any player I would accept JD losing to (after a few days to cope), it would be ZerO. BUT! How can people not want the most hyped finals of all time? If JvF meet, it will srsly be the most hyped finals ever when you look at whats at stake for the two players. Sure it COULD end up like HD MSL, but it could also end up like Bigfile. Go back and watch Bigfile and compare JD's ZvT to his current ZvT. It's like taking a very big club (Yeah its effective and gets the job done but it bulky and rough) and making it into a sword (Now its a effective, precise, and beautiful). Ok... bad analogy, but JD's ZvT has refined the Bigfile ZvT that took god-mode Flash to game 5  Let's face it, another JvF finals it worth it, if only for the hype!
Actually, Boxer vs. Yellow would be the most hyped finals of all time, and really there have been other rivalries with more "exitement factor". I would say even the first time we had JvF finals was more hyped. Now it's a rivalry, with a lot on the line, but it's no longer anything beyond the status quo.
Seriously, Jaedong vs. Flash for like the fourth time in 2 years, or....
(T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw
(Z)sAviOr > (P)Nal_rA (holy wars!)
Fantasy vs Stork silver surfer rematch
(Z)Jaedong > (T)Fantasy (right after Proleague grand finals drama)
sAviOr > (T)NaDa
(T)iloveoov > (Z)July (golden mouse on the line for July vs. his rival who had never lost in the finals)
(T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR (seriously wtf so hype)
(T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw (again)
I know that, for people who have only followed the game very recently and really only pay attention to the very top modern players, there's probably some good hype for yet another JvF, but it's not even close to the "most hyped" finals especially considering it's something that we've come to take for granted.
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3 zergs and 1 terran - quite advantageous for Flash. He can focus solely on TvZ. Hehe.
Jaedong or Zero in finals are both OK for me. There's one big problem if Zero advances though: he's renowned for being a choker on big stages. Not sure how he would fare on the final's stage :/
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Jaedong is the favorite to win against zero, but honestly, you all know that ZvZ can be about luck at times. i think flash will obliterate him tho if they meet in the finals..
seems like it will be another flash vs jaedong final xD
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On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Boggles my mind that there are people out there who don't want to see Flash vs. Jaedong in the final.
Who is the best player in the world? Flash
Who is the player with the best chance of beating Flash in a Bo5? Jaedong
Who is the best ZvT player of all time? Jaedong
Who is the best TvZ player of all time? Flash
Who is the player who can tie NaDa's # of finals if he reaches this MSL final? Jaedong
Who are the two players one MSL gold away from the golden badge? Flash and Jaedong
Who are the two players one gold away from tying NaDa's # of individual titles? Flash and Jaedong
Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.
There's a really unhealthy mindset out there where people pull for every underdog to win, call any game their player doesn't win boring, call every game that isn't a 40 minute macro war boring and desire every player to get a title. If one guy is the #1 player in the world by far I'd much rather see him win every single title from now till the end of BW.
There's a good chance Flash and Jaedong could go down as the two greatest players of all time so every final they play means something and you can go back and get something extra out of it over time. If some guy makes one final, loses to F/J 1-3 and then never returns it really mean a whole lot. Who goes back and watches that Flash vs. Movie OSL final and thinks it has replay value?
People are free to enjoy the game however they please but it seems fairly unsophisticated and at least a little ignorant to flat out spurn excellence in favour of flukes, upsets or the novelty factor of new faces. Now if Hydra/Zero outplay Flash/Jaedong in their Bo5 then great, they deserve to be in the final without a doubt. But imo the, perhaps subtle, difference is that I'm pulling for great BW to be played rather than one player or another to win at all costs.
Put most simply: If you think FvJ finals are boring I'm really not sure what you're actually getting from pro BW. This isn't a soap opera.
I don't see how anybody enjoyed the finals after the power-outage, Jaedong getting 3-0'd, and the one sided Korean Air Final between them (inb4itwasn'tonesided)
the only one that was actually good was the Bigfile MSL
anyways, I want flash to win for a non-ZvZ final but there series needs to be 3-2 Flash for the epicness
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Can't wait for another Nadal vs Roger final! Oh wait this is BW...
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I have a funny feeling that Flash is going to win this.
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On May 24 2011 05:35 tedster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2011 02:57 Yxes2211 wrote:I dunno if ZerO would do well in a finals against Flash... I know he has the skills to put up amazing matches against Flash, but ZerO gets so damn hesitant in the semis and I would assume that would carry over to the finals. That said, if there was any player I would accept JD losing to (after a few days to cope), it would be ZerO. BUT! How can people not want the most hyped finals of all time? If JvF meet, it will srsly be the most hyped finals ever when you look at whats at stake for the two players. Sure it COULD end up like HD MSL, but it could also end up like Bigfile. Go back and watch Bigfile and compare JD's ZvT to his current ZvT. It's like taking a very big club (Yeah its effective and gets the job done but it bulky and rough) and making it into a sword (Now its a effective, precise, and beautiful). Ok... bad analogy, but JD's ZvT has refined the Bigfile ZvT that took god-mode Flash to game 5 Let's face it, another JvF finals it worth it, if only for the hype! Actually, Boxer vs. Yellow would be the most hyped finals of all time, and really there have been other rivalries with more "exitement factor". I would say even the first time we had JvF finals was more hyped. Now it's a rivalry, with a lot on the line, but it's no longer anything beyond the status quo. Seriously, Jaedong vs. Flash for like the fourth time in 2 years, or.... (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw (Z)sAviOr > (P)Nal_rA (holy wars!) Fantasy vs Stork silver surfer rematch (Z)Jaedong > (T)Fantasy (right after Proleague grand finals drama) sAviOr > (T)NaDa (T)iloveoov > (Z)July (golden mouse on the line for July vs. his rival who had never lost in the finals) (T)iloveoov > (T)BoxeR (seriously wtf so hype) (T)BoxeR > (Z)YellOw (again) I know that, for people who have only followed the game very recently and really only pay attention to the very top modern players, there's probably some good hype for yet another JvF, but it's not even close to the "most hyped" finals especially considering it's something that we've come to take for granted.
Gotta rain on my parade
That's fair though, I didn't start watching pro-BW until after sAviOr's end at the hands of Bisu, and didn't really get into it until Nate. So, though I've gone back and watched alot of the old legends (especially NaDa) it's hard to feel the hype when you didn't live it, so I guess my "of all time" doesn't stand, but I said it more out of diehard love of JD, and wanting him to win a 6th finally, but I wouldn't mind Flash winning it either.
I know alot of people aren't fans of JvF, but Jaedong and Flash are building a dynasty, and I'm glad I've been following it live, and I like the fact that their dynasty can be grown even more. Their rivalry is becoming something like the Lakers and Celtics, or the Cowboys and Steelers. Further I think this map-pool is very good, and could provide excellent standard games. Maybe not the best finals, but definitely the most hyped JvF simply because it would mean NaDa would finally have to share his throne, we'd have another Golden Badge winner (which we haven't had since Bisu won his last MSL), and it's a match between the 2 best players alive, with more Bo5 experience than any other player left in it.
As a fan of the second? generation of players this is an awesome and super hyped final possibility
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far out. i missed RO8 because of flights, now i'm going to miss RO4 again. ARGHHHHHHHH
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How is JD's condition at the moment? He's been sick recently and hasn't looked on top of his game.
Regardless, JD too clutch for Zero and Flash too neo-Bonjwa for Hydra, JvF incoming. Hoping for JD to take it and after his stomps of Flash in their past 3(?) meetings it seems he's got some momentum back on his side in their rivalry.
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Damn, I'm casting at the EXACT SAME TIME both of these days. I wanted to see both matches hahaha
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The only hype I'm having for JvF is that who ever wins it would beat nada's record of 3 OSLs and 3 MSLs with 3 OSLs 3 MSLs and(if we include) their WCG runs(Flash with a WCG Grand final win and JD with 2 WCG korea finals win.
I'm fine as long as Hydra loses.
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On May 23 2011 18:54 Thorin wrote:
Why would anyone want to see lesser players luckily get past the better players? If two guys are #1 and #2 in the world then I want to see them play, nevermind if they've played 10 times before or 10,000. Every time there's an FvJ final there's always at least one map which is an instant classic, with the exception of Hana Daetoo, and usually the others are won by sheer brilliance by one player or the other.
If they lose, they arent the better players, they are the worse players. As simple as that. THe saying "may the better player win" is used for a reason. Because its always true.
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