EPTJaedong with the most 'official' wins in BW - Page 7
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 29 2011 04:44 Mumei wrote: I think this goes back to what you mentioned about more games causes stabilization; it causes a sort of inertia in late in a player's career. You mentioned Nada had 65.20% (311 - 166) five years into his career; the main reason he stayed above 60% wasn't because he did well those last three years (he went 128 - 124), but because there were so many games played before that. Midas is sort of like that, as well, with 62.25% (188 - 114) four years into his career. He's gone 48 - 53 since then (June 2008 - March 2011), but he's still maintained fairly well. I think that's what's more impressive about Flash and Jaedong (graphs): Nada Jaedong Flash Nada's first five years compared with Flash and Jaedong's careers. Flash and Jaedong are maintaining or increasing (Flash) their lifetime winning percentages, because they are still winning as much as they ever were. Their longevity and stability is insane, really. The game has changed though. For instance, when NaDa finally perfected his TvP style it only lasted for less than a year before becoming obsolete. Flash's current TvP style has been stable for almost 2 years now, and his style from before that would still be workable today, albeit not with the level of dominance that his current style shows. For NaDa, who began his career with 2 factory play (pioneering the most stable 2 factory style for his time), then "perfecting" the 200/200 push shortly before his gold grand slam... and even then had to rework his style many times over the years... it was a very different story. This isn't to take away from the accomplishments of Flash and Jaedong (name any other Terran who has mastered Flash's TvP style?), but to say that the eras in which they peaked and -- correspondingly, the skills required to be successful in those eras -- are fundamentally different. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:19 infinity2k9 wrote: It's a shame NaDa even left considering he still definitely could compete at the top. He even won his last BW game. Wemade Fox could probably use him in a player coach role at least. I doubt he's even making more money in SC2? I think he didn't care about the money, he wanted to go study in the first place. And he definitely couldn't while playing bw. And iirc he said somewhere he grew tired of bw and wanted to test something new out. Still sad :< | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Sillylaughs
Canada198 Posts
Other than his number of titles (6) and finals (10): Shortest time from debut to KeSPA rank #1 (14 months); 2nd: Flash (16 months) Number of individual leagues qualified (28 times); 2nd: Bisu (24 times) (as of 03/31/11) So yeah, just a couple left. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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Pizza_man
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On April 29 2011 07:19 infinity2k9 wrote: It's a shame NaDa even left considering he still definitely could compete at the top. He even won his last BW game. Wemade Fox could probably use him in a player coach role at least. I doubt he's even making more money in SC2? Nada wants life as progamer, not coach... SC2 is more comfortable to play for old players who declined their physical move because BW needs more physical move than SC2. | ||
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O-ops
United States4236 Posts
He would probably hold the record for most nukes used. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On April 29 2011 10:26 Uhh Negative wrote: Now that Jaedong has proved he's the best in BW, he needs to come to SC2 Neverrrrrrrrrrrr | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On April 29 2011 10:26 Uhh Negative wrote: Now that Jaedong has proved he's the best in BW, he needs to come to SC2 What?? And let Flash overtake him in individual league medals? >.< | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On April 29 2011 10:26 Uhh Negative wrote: Now that Jaedong has proved he's the best in BW, he needs to come to SC2 Still needs to beat a bonjwa to prove that. And I would trade an entire year of all the z's losing in sc2 for that. | ||
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:19 infinity2k9 wrote: It's a shame NaDa even left considering he still definitely could compete at the top. He even won his last BW game. Wemade Fox could probably use him in a player coach role at least. I doubt he's even making more money in SC2? He wouldnt be able to attend uni and play bw at any level near the top considering he is pretty mediocore in sc2 because of his lack of practise ( obviously by mediocore i mean what he would have been as a player if he was practising full time ) :D | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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Mumei
United States257 Posts
On April 29 2011 07:21 Mortality wrote:The game has changed though. For instance, when NaDa finally perfected his TvP style it only lasted for less than a year before becoming obsolete. Flash's current TvP style has been stable for almost 2 years now, and his style from before that would still be workable today, albeit not with the level of dominance that his current style shows. For NaDa, who began his career with 2 factory play (pioneering the most stable 2 factory style for his time), then "perfecting" the 200/200 push shortly before his gold grand slam... and even then had to rework his style many times over the years... it was a very different story. This isn't to take away from the accomplishments of Flash and Jaedong (name any other Terran who has mastered Flash's TvP style?), but to say that the eras in which they peaked and -- correspondingly, the skills required to be successful in those eras -- are fundamentally different. There is that element of "standing on the shoulders of giants," yeah. I wish I had followed Brood War back then. I mean, I watched replays, back when they were more readily acquired, and VODs for a year or so after that, but I didn't really keep up with the scene, as it were. | ||
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mikyaJ
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