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Hi there,
I hope this topic is appropriate in here. I'm not very educated in Korean SC:BW progaming history, but what I know is that at all times, there were some players who dominated everything and made a name for themselves. Some became legends.
What I'd like to have is a list of the most influential and successful ones. However, due to the long history of SC:BW progaming and the fact that there are quite a few big names, it's very difficult for me to make out who was influential, who was very influential and who was incredibly influential.
EDIT: Influential in a competitive sense, they don't necessarily need to have revolutionized the gameplay even though that is a huge plus... I'm taking about a combination of success, fame and innovation – somebody without whom SC:BW progaming wouldn't be the same. Think of it like: 'Who should be mentioned in a TV documentary about the history of SC:BW progaming?'
Here is what I have found so far (NEW LIST):
5 Stars - The Very Best
Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR)
Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa)
Park Sung-joon (July)
Lee Young-Ho (Flash)
Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu)
Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr)
Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov)
Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong)
Kang Min (Nal_rA)
Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw)
3 Stars - The Very Good But Slightly Less Influential Ones
Park Jung Suk (Reach)
Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom)
Song Byung-gu (Stork)
Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime)
Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto)
Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs)
Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt)
Jung Myung Hoon (Fantasy)
Lee Jae Hoon (fOru)
Park Tae Min (GoRush)
Jun Sang Wook (Midas)
Kim Ku Hyun (Kal)
Old List:
+ Show Spoiler +5 Stars
Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR)
Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa)
Park Sung-joon (July)
Lee Young-Ho (Flash)
Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu)
Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr)
Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov)
4 Stars
Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong)
Kang Min (Nal_rA)
Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw)
3 Stars
Park Jung Suk (Reach)
Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom)
Song Byung-gu (Stork)
Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime)
Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto)
Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs)
Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt)
Jung Myung Hoon (Fantasy)
Lee Jae Hoon (fOru)
Park Tae Min (GoRush)
How accurate is this? Any names I missed? Any blatant ranking mistakes? Please be considerate. Of course, I am aware that it is highly subjective, but it doesn't have to be super-accurate or anything. I only need ~20 names. Be aware this is more about results and public perception, I'm not searching for the strongest player of all times, so no underdogs/failed talents please. And feel free to point out if someone on my list has won some tourneys but wasn't nearly as influential as the other ones. Any help is highly appreciated, thank you.
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On March 31 2011 00:21 Murderotica wrote:
IMO this thread would be much cooler if every poster made 1 change to the list. Every subsequent poster would make an additional change, whether it be demote, promote, remove or add progamers. I'll start with my next post.
Feel free to participate in this if it sounds like fun to you. 
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I think Savior should be a 5 star he used to beast all his games, and was a bigger zerg then july. But then again its all just opinion and savior was a match fixer =o.
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Didn't Bisu revolutionize PvZ?
Why is he not 5 star? o_O And this is speaking from a Terran's point of view.
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I'd put oov and savior above nada personally. Nada was just consistently strong, but he hasn't really revolutionized anything. July is in the same boat, but at least his muta micro was stellar. Personally:
boxer, oov, savior, bisu, flash, possibly nal_ra
EDIT: then nada, july, possible nal_ra, yellow
everyone else
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July too high, Savior too low, Iloveoov too low, Yellow too low, Luxury shouldn't be on this list, probably GoRush either.
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On March 31 2011 00:18 buhhy wrote:
I'd put oov and savior above nada personally. Nada was just consistently strong, but he hasn't really revolutionized anything. July is in the same boat, but at least his muta micro was stellar. Personally:
boxer, oov, savior, bisu, flash, possibly nal_ra
everyone else
Nada created Tornado Terran and perfected SK Terran, both of which were emulated for a long time. Definitely deserves to be where he is.
I don't think Bisu's PvZ revolution is worthy of 5 star placement, and I say this as a Protoss player and rabid Bisu fan. 5 stars should be reserved for Nada, Oov, Savior, Boxer, Flash, maybe Yellow.
IMO this thread would be much cooler if every poster made 1 change to the list. Every subsequent poster would make an additional change, whether it be demote, promote, remove or add progamers. I'll start with my next post.
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Oov, Savior and Bisu definitely 5 stars. Oov is still influencing the way BW is played today.
Let's not forget Shark invented muta stacking.
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On March 31 2011 00:21 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 00:18 buhhy wrote:
I'd put oov and savior above nada personally. Nada was just consistently strong, but he hasn't really revolutionized anything. July is in the same boat, but at least his muta micro was stellar. Personally:
boxer, oov, savior, bisu, flash, possibly nal_ra
everyone else Nada created Tornado Terran and perfected SK Terran, both of which were emulated for a long time. Definitely deserves to be where he is. I don't think Bisu's PvZ revolution is worthy of 5 star placement, and I say this as a Protoss player and rabid Bisu fan. 5 stars should be reserved for Nada, Oov, Savior, Boxer, Flash, maybe Yellow.
Right. Forgot about tornado.
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You have a few names that aren't really influential by any means. I can't thinkof any contributions that Luxury, foru, gorush, effort or xellos really made. Given, anyone who was good affected the game in some way, but not to suh an extent as to call them influential. If you want influence, you should be looking at beta testers and earlyplayers like Maynard and Grrr. Guys like Best and Zero might also deserve spots because of the fact that they just play the game differently.
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5 Stars
Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR)
Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa)
Lee Young-Ho (Flash)
4 Stars
Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong)
Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu)
Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr)
Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov)
Kang Min (Nal_rA)
3 Stars
Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw)
Park Jung Suk (Reach)
Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom)
Song Byung-gu (Stork)
Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime)
Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto)
Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs)
Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt)
Jung Myung Hoon (fantasy)
Lee Jae Hoon (fOru)
Park Chan Soo (Luxury)
Park Tae Min (GoRush)
Park Sung-joon (July)
Change: Moved July to 3 Stars.
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On March 31 2011 00:23 Ryo wrote:
Oov, Savior and Bisu definitely 5 stars. Oov is still influencing the way BW is played today.
Let's not forget Shark invented muta stacking.
Oov is probably one of the most influential progamers. Guy is a monster.
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On March 31 2011 00:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Didn't Bisu revolutionize PvZ?
Why is he not 5 star? o_O And this is speaking from a Terran's point of view.
Like I said, I know very little about SC:BW. I simply don't know who revolutionized what, this is why I asked for help. I put him into the 5 star group. Moved YellOw one group higher. Also removed Luxury. Waiting for more responses before I apply other changes, though.
// okay, I moved sAviOr and iloveoov into 5star on my personal list.
By the way feel free to do what Murderotica suggested, one person making one change. I won't directly apply all changes to my personal list, but it sounds like fun.
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On March 31 2011 00:23 FreezerJumps wrote:
If you want influence, you should be looking at beta testers and earlyplayers like Maynard and Grrr. Guys like Best and Zero might also deserve spots because of the fact that they just play the game differently.
It's only about Korean progaming for now. It's to provide some basic knowledge about it. Think about it like: Which Korean progamers would deserve a Wikipedia article or should be mentioned in a TV documentary about SC:BW progaming history? Iit's the same reason why I'm leaving July at 5 stars in my personal list; he might not have revolutionized the gameplay at all, but he is a Golden Mouse winner and really famous.)
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Bisu is 5, not 4.
He revolutionized how PvZ is played, and has set a standard for almost every PvZ matches there after.
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Jaedong not 5 stars? He completely changed how zvz is played, he helped build modern zvp and his his 2 hatch zvt changed that match up completely. I think he should totally be 5
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On March 31 2011 00:37 rigelq wrote:
Jaedong not 5 stars? He completely changed how zvz is played, he helped build modern zvp and his his 2 hatch zvt changed that match up completely. I think he should totally be 5
On March 31 2011 00:21 Murderotica wrote:
IMO this thread would be much cooler if every poster made 1 change to the list. Every subsequent poster would make an additional change, whether it be demote, promote, remove or add progamers. I'll start with my next post.
On March 31 2011 00:24 Murderotica wrote:
5 Stars
Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR)
Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa)
Lee Young-Ho (Flash)
4 Stars
Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong)
Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu)
Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr)
Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov)
Kang Min (Nal_rA)
3 Stars
Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw)
Park Jung Suk (Reach)
Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom)
Song Byung-gu (Stork)
Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime)
Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto)
Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs)
Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt)
Jung Myung Hoon (fantasy)
Lee Jae Hoon (fOru)
Park Chan Soo (Luxury)
Park Tae Min (GoRush)
Park Sung-joon (July)
Change: Moved July to 3 Stars.
Feel free to participate.
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pusan? wasn't he the person who popularized arbiters in pvt?
i am not sure why you have jaedong at only 4 stars
also i do not know what effort or luxury did that was influential... maybe effort helped popularize spores in zvz?
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What really happened to  XellOs? I watched a National Geographic documentary of him..He was awesome back then. Nicknamed as DDR , Perfect Terran.
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I'm not sure JD should be rated only 4 stars, given that he basically brought about modern ZvZ, brought out the 3-hatch spire -> 5 hatch hydra build for ZvP, and helped to set trends in ZvT as well (2 hatch muta, anyone?)
For EffOrt, I guess he brought the 4 base turtle style in ZvP?
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This thread is testament to how many people only read the OP, even in a 1 page thread lol.
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On March 31 2011 00:53 Murderotica wrote:
This thread is testament to how many people only read the OP, even in a 1 page thread lol.
I saw his edit and now effort being there makes sense but Jaedong being only 4 stars is even more bewildering 
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