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[Q] The most influential progamers of all time? - Page 4

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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
March 30 2011 19:31 GMT
#61
Shark is the greatest behind-the-scenes player of all time. He invented Muta-stacking and Zerg-simcity back when every Zerg was getting raped by 4Gate2Archon. He also helped cohost Hyungjoon, I think Shark deserves an honorary 5-stars
On March 31 2011 03:24 SkelA wrote:
I thought that the "Bisu build pvz" was actually a build that was first used by Daezang... Bisu has never used anything original by himself at all. Everything that he is using hes been copying from other players all the time.

The only thing that he is good at is using the builds to the maximum potential with his mechanics and great multitasking. Stork was and still is more influental as a Protoss than Bisu could ever be.

sounds like a bitter Stork fan to me lol.. Bisu's pioneering extend past Sair-DT (Daezang used a different iteration anyways), he's the one to establish opening Stargate after FE as absolute standard for scouting, and I'm not sure about this but I think Bisu was among the first Protosses to favor going for a mass-Dragoon-Templar midgame. Bisu also recently brought the +1 Sair/Speedlot to the table, which flipped the balance toward Protoss for a while and is now the standard strategy to-go.

Stork deserves 5-stars imo though, he's done a lot of pioneering in PvT (Arbiters, counter to Rax-FE, Carriers) and made some clever one-off builds in PvZ.

Kal I'd give 3-stars because he makes a lot of clever non-standard builds, popularized sair-stacking and has really really good micro
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 30 2011 19:53 GMT
#62
Many Stork fans are bitter. I certainly am.

Stork just broke Boxer's record of total OSL qualifications. I"m just sayin =S
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
March 30 2011 20:01 GMT
#63
I don't think this list is complete without Guillaume Patry. Call it novelty because he's a foreigner who won an OSL, or be old enough to remember all the things he brought to this game, he's a name that comes to everyone's mind when they think of professional BroodWar's beginnings.
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Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
March 30 2011 20:06 GMT
#64
I hadn't followed BW progaming enough to know who's responsible for what, but I would think FBH did something worth 3 stars?
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
March 30 2011 20:24 GMT
#65
On March 31 2011 05:06 Sprungjeezy wrote:
I hadn't followed BW progaming enough to know who's responsible for what, but I would think FBH did something worth 3 stars?


A dance-around-saviors-booth ceremony?
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 20:33:59
March 30 2011 20:32 GMT
#66
Ra should be 5. Name one PvZ build that doesn't start with forge FE and isn't a cheese.

Never mind. Didn't see that new list.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2516 Posts
March 30 2011 20:34 GMT
#67
I Want everyone in this thread to rewind back to 2001-2003 when a zerg player one amazing, epic zerg player named Ju Jin Chul, AKA (Z)Side, basically invented Macro in starcraft, he was the first person that, in my opinion, really understood the need for macro and tried to do it. Unfortunately for him, he was in the era of the first foreigners, Nazgul and Grr..., and the top form of players like Nada, Boxer, Nal_Ra, Garimto, etc, so he was really underlooked, but I don't think he gets enough credit.
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 21:12:34
March 30 2011 21:02 GMT
#68
my addition to your list would be IntoTheRainbow, cuz his shuttle reaver micro in BW was AMAZING, just go youtube it. I think he should be under your 3 star list (only because he got kicked out of SKT cuz he skipped a team meeting to go see a beyonce concert). I also think that your 3 star list should be 4 stars, cuz those players are extremely good.
Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? - Zeratul III AKA WikidSik ingame (anygame)
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
March 30 2011 21:28 GMT
#69
I have a suggestion.
How about adding short captions next to each progamer stating what they did under a spoiler bar?
Much better compilation for new BW fans and those who just need a freshened up history lesson

If the posters felt like it, even some VODs that showcase the new build/strategy they are famous/infamous for

Certainly liquapedia is our friend but hey, what's a compilation for?
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 21:32:58
March 30 2011 21:30 GMT
#70
On March 31 2011 05:34 Kaal wrote:
I Want everyone in this thread to rewind back to 2001-2003 when a zerg player one amazing, epic zerg player named Ju Jin Chul, AKA (Z)Side, basically invented Macro in starcraft, he was the first person that, in my opinion, really understood the need for macro and tried to do it. Unfortunately for him, he was in the era of the first foreigners, Nazgul and Grr..., and the top form of players like Nada, Boxer, Nal_Ra, Garimto, etc, so he was really underlooked, but I don't think he gets enough credit.

I don't think you can put a player no one has even heard of in a list of most influential players. Old Zerg strategy vs Terran used to be expand everywhere and hope some of them survive, but it isn't really what became macro today. Games continued to be about strategy/tactics/micro for a long time after him, so you could almost say he had zero influence, even if he was a precursor to that kind of thinking.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
March 30 2011 21:31 GMT
#71
Not too mention liquapedia is outdated =/
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
March 30 2011 21:38 GMT
#72
giyom should be on the list. he pissed off koreans so much that they had to just get better

one guy i'd like to mention is gundam, known for "bamboo rush", it consisted of 1 or 2 vultures, couple marines and a tank. intotherain is another worth mentioning.
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renzy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada781 Posts
March 30 2011 21:44 GMT
#73
Honestly, Bisu has done so much for the PvZ Matchup. Protoss before Bisu's forge expansion build and its variations were so desperate, they even attempted strategies such as hiding cannons in behind naturals... =.= see Nal_ra vs Saviour. Protoss before Bisu were used to snipe terrans mostly, since PvZ was so hard back then. Bisu changed that, and that's why he's got so many protoss fans, lol, and its not just because of his looks.
Bisu is the man
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
March 30 2011 21:48 GMT
#74
Midas and Fantasy should definitely be more than 3 stars. It seems to me like not enough credit has been given to them for the TvZ late-game mech switch.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 21:54:56
March 30 2011 21:54 GMT
#75
Pretty solid list I have to say. I'd put BoxeR in a different league though (maybe 777 stars? ). Sure he wasn't the most skilled progamer looking back but his influence is simply unrivalled.
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thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
March 30 2011 21:56 GMT
#76
You guys forgot Shark. Not the best player, but he did INVENT the stack muta micro. Without it, muta micro would be nowhere where it is today
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
March 30 2011 21:56 GMT
#77
I'm surprised of how little credit midas is getting... Tanks anyone?
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thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
March 30 2011 21:58 GMT
#78
On March 31 2011 05:34 Kaal wrote:
I Want everyone in this thread to rewind back to 2001-2003 when a zerg player one amazing, epic zerg player named Ju Jin Chul, AKA (Z)Side, basically invented Macro in starcraft, he was the first person that, in my opinion, really understood the need for macro and tried to do it. Unfortunately for him, he was in the era of the first foreigners, Nazgul and Grr..., and the top form of players like Nada, Boxer, Nal_Ra, Garimto, etc, so he was really underlooked, but I don't think he gets enough credit.


True. I mean, he is not called the "Father of Hatcheries" nor "Neverending Hatcheries" for nothing lol
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
SiCkO_
Profile Joined September 2010
United States481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 22:04:04
March 30 2011 22:03 GMT
#79
hmm

5 Stars:
iloveoov - He still influences the scene to this day on with Fantasy and the rest of the SKT lineup

BoxeR - BoxeR defined what e-sports was and is, as well as showing how pushing the envelope works

NaDa - NaDa really refined the way people approach the game, through both preparation and a macro, decision - based style that almost always favors the better player

sAviOr - he started the dynasty of Zergs in Entus and many of his concepts are still used today in ZvT

4 Stars:
Nal_rA - The "Holy Wars" with sAviOr really defined his influence, oh so close to the top, but not quite there. His influence however, with forge openings, remains potent

H-O-T Forever - ViOlet and Stats have proved his ability to shape the game as a coach

Grrr... - Inspiring millions of foreign starcraft fans is reason enough for his inclusion

YellOw - His rivalry with BoxeR still dominates esports memories to this day

Bisu - PvZ Revolution

Jaedong - He has really taken sAviOr's work and has refined it immensely

FlaSh - The nuances in his play shape modern Brood War today





SKT Toss line Fighting! | Bisu, BeSt, By.Sun! |
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
March 30 2011 22:21 GMT
#80
most influential of all time?

its obviously boxer. You can argue about who comes after him in terms of influence but the impact boxer had in e-sports in Korea is monumental. he made starcraft exciting to watch, he attracted so many fans, he made e-sports grow in korea.

Ask any young progamer or practice partner of this generation why they went into progaming and a lot of them will say it was because they saw boxer on TV when they were little.
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