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[Q] The most influential progamers of all time? - Page 3

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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
March 30 2011 16:56 GMT
#41
Maybe you could sort the players according to race as well? For me it would be something like this:

Terran:
Boxer
Nada
iloveoov
Flash

Protoss:
Bisu
Nal ra
Stork

Zerg:
Savior
Jaedong
Yellow

Someone with more knowledge could add on to this
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
March 30 2011 16:56 GMT
#42
BISU : 941541534534543415143 stars.
God of all.
This is an undisputed fact !
Khassar de Templari
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 17:01:28
March 30 2011 17:00 GMT
#43
On March 31 2011 01:54 gongryong wrote:
7 Stars: GOD OF (BROOD)WAR
JAEDONG!


+ Show Spoiler +
:p


∞ Stars: GOD OF UNIVERSE
(T)Flash
All hail!

EDIT: add shark
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 17:04:47
March 30 2011 17:00 GMT
#44
On March 31 2011 01:56 kamikami wrote:
BISU : 941541534534543415143 stars.
God of all.
This is an undisputed fact !


I know this was bound to happen sooner or later!
Long Live Fanboyism!

buhhy Canada. March 31 2011 02:00
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 01:54 gongryong wrote:
7 Stars: GOD OF (BROOD)WAR
JAEDONG!

+ Show Spoiler +


∞ Stars: GOD OF UNIVERSE
(T)Flash
All hail!


flash fans are never known for originality.
and isn't it supposed to be god of THE universe? It's not even proper English, hence void! :p
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
March 30 2011 17:06 GMT
#45
OP, you're missing four-stars group in your new list. Maybe you meant four instead of three stars. Or maybe you meant to skip four stars, idk.

Also, Bisu should be 6 stars :p.
lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
March 30 2011 17:11 GMT
#46
BoxeR is the only one i would consider 5stars
Bisu 4 stars for his pvz
YelloW 4 stars for his awsomeness
Nada 4 stars as well
Flash
Jaedong
Savior
oov
there are probably more

i would list nal_ra, stork, as 3 stars

there are a bunch of other influental progamers, but i dont wanna list them up since there are so many

as Arnold said: you have been erased! but dont worry!
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
March 30 2011 17:16 GMT
#47
On March 31 2011 02:00 gongryong wrote:
Show nested quote +
buhhy Canada. March 31 2011 02:00
On March 31 2011 01:54 gongryong wrote:
7 Stars: GOD OF (BROOD)WAR
JAEDONG!

+ Show Spoiler +


∞ Stars: GOD OF UNIVERSE
(T)Flash
All hail!


flash fans are never known for originality.
and isn't it supposed to be god of THE universe? It's not even proper English, hence void! :p


Lol, I was mocking your post

Either way, Flash > JD + Bisu combined, Stork is too fail to even be considered.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
March 30 2011 17:21 GMT
#48
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
March 30 2011 17:23 GMT
#49
On March 31 2011 00:59 corumjhaelen wrote:
I have an opinion on the matter, like Oov, sAviOr and Flash being the main ones, but importantly enough Midas deserves a rank.


Indeed he does, inventor of the FD terran
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 17:34:36
March 30 2011 17:26 GMT
#50
On March 31 2011 02:06 Enervate wrote:
OP, you're missing four-stars group in your new list. Maybe you meant four instead of three stars. Or maybe you meant to skip four stars, idk.

I decided to remove it because it seemed to me that there are rather two different groups than three (unless you want to give certain players 6 stars). I just used 5 and 3 because that's what it was before and I didn't want to confuse anyone.

Right now, it seems that the five-star group is quite accurate (only that most of you don't think July belongs in there and some think that Stork should be added). What I find more confusing is the next level of influential players. It seems that Stork, Reach, Fantasy, Garimto and Kingdom clearly belong in there. And from that point on, I'm rather confused.

// Also I seem to have overlooked Seo Gyung Jong aka. Shark. I guess the second group comes down to Stork, Reach, Fantasy, Garimto, Kingdom, GoRush, EffOrt, XellOs, fOru, Shark.
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
March 30 2011 17:29 GMT
#51
On March 31 2011 02:16 buhhy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 02:00 gongryong wrote:
buhhy Canada. March 31 2011 02:00
On March 31 2011 01:54 gongryong wrote:
7 Stars: GOD OF (BROOD)WAR
JAEDONG!

+ Show Spoiler +


∞ Stars: GOD OF UNIVERSE
(T)Flash
All hail!


flash fans are never known for originality.
and isn't it supposed to be god of THE universe? It's not even proper English, hence void! :p


Lol, I was mocking your post

Either way, Flash > JD + Bisu combined, Stork is too fail to even be considered.



well sorry you failed. :p
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
R2D2C3PO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada105 Posts
March 30 2011 17:55 GMT
#52
Didn't xellos define modern TvT? He should be higher imo.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 18:28:12
March 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#53
Remove (P)Kal. Raise (P)Stork to 5--member of Taekbang-Leessang and second best Protoss of all time. (P)fOru is questionable, (T)Midas slightly less so. Add (P)Grrrr..., the original "greatest" player and best foreigner of all time to 3.

On second thought, remove (P)fOru and add (T)TheMarine and (Z)H.O.T-Forever to 3, two early greats that rivaled (P)Grrrr... in 2000. Newer people often neglect the early era.

Finally, replace (T)Midas with (Z)ChoJJa, he was #1 Kespa for 4 months and beat (Z)sAviOr in an MSL finals during his reign.
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
March 30 2011 18:22 GMT
#54
No foreigners at all deserve to be on either list?
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13042 Posts
March 30 2011 18:24 GMT
#55
I thought that the "Bisu build pvz" was actually a build that was first used by Daezang... Bisu has never used anything original by himself at all. Everything that he is using hes been copying from other players all the time.

The only thing that he is good at is using the builds to the maximum potential with his mechanics and great multitasking. Stork was and still is more influental as a Protoss than Bisu could ever be.
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11875 Posts
March 30 2011 18:28 GMT
#56
On March 31 2011 03:22 Essentia wrote:
No foreigners at all deserve to be on either list?


Maynard

Who else deserves a mention?
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
March 30 2011 18:37 GMT
#57
On March 31 2011 03:12 rift wrote:
Remove (P)Kal. Raise (P)Stork to 5--member of Taekbang-Leessang and second best Protoss of all time. (P)fOru is questionable, (T)Midas slightly less so. Add (P)Grrrr..., the original "greatest" player and best foreigner of all time to 3.

On second thought, remove (P)fOru and add (T)TheMarine and (Z)H.O.T-Forever to 3, two early greats that rivaled (P)Grrrr... in 2000. Newer people often neglect the early era.

Finally, replace (T)Midas with (Z)ChoJJa, he was #1 Kespa for 4 months and beat (Z)sAviOr in an MSL finals during his reign.

Sounds great, thanks!
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
March 30 2011 18:56 GMT
#58
This is in no particular order. Just giving short reasons why I rank them this way. And there are too many changes I would like to do with OPs list so I will make my own And now there is two lists all of a sudden O.o


5 stars
Boxer: he turned the weakest race at the time to the strongest with his creative strategies. Have also done tremedously for ESPORTS (Starcraft) in general.
Yellow: Don't know much about him, but he must have done something good since he is the second half of Lim-Jin rok
Nada: Perfected SK terran, made the tornado terran, showed everyone the power of strong mechanics.
iloveoov: started the macro revolution. He made Yellow get another silver medal and made Boxer cry. Probably the monst influential progamer since all three races were affected by him. And he still contributes to the Starcraft scene with his coaching.
Reach: Manliness. And for some time he was the only protoss to stand up against the other races. And won an OSL while doing it. The first one to outmacro oov.
Savior: Basically set how ZvT is played to this day. Don't know much about him since I didn't like him much Someone else better fill out!

4 stars
Fantasy: Revived TvZ mech, Valkonic build, fake mech and the fantasy build in tvp. Sure oov had a finger in all of this (which also put oov at 5 stars) but fantasy still popularized them. I belive he also was the first one to use the bio -> mech switch in tvz late game.
Bisu: Revolutionized PvZ. Probably don't need to say much more about him
Jaedong: Made PvZ a nightmare again with his 3 hatch spire 5 hatch hydra. Helped bring back 2 hatch muta in ZvT. He probably changed something in zvz as well, can't remember.
Flash: The flash build in TvP (don't know what else to call it ), is constantly setting new trends in both tvp and tvz.
Xellos: if I remember correctly he introduced the mass dropship play in TvT, making his army very mobile compared to others. Still used by terrans today.

3 stars
Midas: as someone said, inventor of the fake double. Also set some trends in TvZ (if close, bunkerrush. If far, 14cc). I'm sure there was some more but I can't remember.
Shark: for mutastacking..
July: ..for "perfecting" it. First player to win a bo5 vs Oov (and he was a zerg too!). Sauron zerg
Soulkey: The inventor of SK terran (it got his name after him). Don't know if he was an actual progamer or if he did anyting else, that's the reason why he's here.
nal_ra: Same here, don't know if he did anything besides being awesome.
firebathero: ceremonies

Can't really think of anyone else. Someone correct me if the information is false and feel free to teach me some Starcraft lore

KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 19:21:49
March 30 2011 19:05 GMT
#59
On March 31 2011 03:28 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 03:22 Essentia wrote:
No foreigners at all deserve to be on either list?


Maynard

Who else deserves a mention?

Here's my foreigner list in case you're interested: ElkY, Grrrr..., PJ, Lx/Legend, Mondragon, IdrA, NonY/Tyler, White-Ra, Androide, Draco (Legionnaire, Maynard, Froz (Ret, SEn, Testie)).
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 19:26:26
March 30 2011 19:23 GMT
#60
Boxer deserves greater than 5 star as he is the only player who thought outside of the box. He actively reached out to the mainstream audience, responsible for almost all Terran strategies (wall in, dropship play, bunker rush, etc), popularizing micro, creating SKT and ACE, and well...professional Broodwar may have never taken off if it were not for Boxer. Boxer is the ONLY gamer in history who can be considered to be a celebrity, a household name.

Reach is not quite at the bonjwa level of influence, but he deserves far more than 3 stars. Reach peaked at a time when literally every single other Protoss were trash. For the stretch of about a year, Reach was the only Protoss who managed to get anywhere (or even qualify for that matter) in the individual leagues. He carried the entire race on his shoulder, alone. Hence, the Hero Protoss.
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