EPT[Q] The most influential progamers of all time? - Page 6
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Lightningbullet
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Eggm
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HitoriTomoyo
Canada264 Posts
On March 31 2011 01:41 koreasilver wrote: What. The person that has been responsible for being at the forefront of trends in TvZ and TvP the past couple of years is Flash. Flash has been the most influential player in the game for years now. As for Savior ZvT is still played with the same general ideas and retains the same rough shape as Savior and his contemporaries left it years ago. In my defense, I view FlaSh as more of a perfectionist in the sense that he takes past/present concepts and pushes them to higher limits that no one else has been capable of reaching until he stepped in. After the FlaSh build and helping in (re)popularizing TvZ Mech, I haven't seen FlaSh completely revolutionize any of the TvX MUs in a while. However I do not deny that he's pretty much the king of BW right now and that alone makes him pretty influential, but again, by no means a revolutionist on the level that BoxeR/oov/Jaedong/Bisu were. I agree with the sAviOr part, however; for the most part I think sAviOr basically perfected ZvT and everything else used in that MU is pretty much a variation on the BOs/timings that sAviOr/older Zergs (I have no idea how influential YellOw and July really are) innovated/popularized. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
JD's sucess comes far more from his mechanics and game sense than strategy. He really has just been continuing on with Savior's strats, who copied them from july and so on. Because others can't copy his insane micro (or at least its not something that can be learned simply by watching him) he hasn't made that large of an impact in that area. And he has been equally successful to flash so far. The bisu build and the perfection of Forge FE certainly is important, but Bisu's strategic contributions is hampered by two things. First that While it is probably the single most important contribution to modern PvZ, he has done nothing for any other matchup, while Flash's 14cc (along with his other contributions) have had impact on all terran MUs. The second is that Bisu didn't invent it, he just perfected it. Danzen was working on it before him, along with a few others like Best. It was a matter of time before it was perfected, and while Bisu deserves a lot of credit, he just made what was going to happen happen faster. | ||
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Oystein
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Path
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Kal_rA1
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
5 Stars - The Very Best Giyom (Grrrr...) Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR) Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov) Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa) Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr) Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong) Lee Young-Ho (Flash) 4 Stars Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw) Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs) Kang Min (Nal_rA) Park Sung-joon (July) Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu) Song Byung-gu (Stork) 3 Stars Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto) Park Jung Suk (Reach) Lee Jae Hoon (fOru) Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom) Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime) Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt) Jung Myung Hoon (Fantasy) 2 Stars Park Tae Min (GoRush) Jun Sang Wook (Midas) Kim Ku Hyun (Kal) ( | ||
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Kal_rA1
160 Posts
On March 31 2011 14:13 StarStruck wrote: I'm baffled by your list. Anyway, I went down your list to see who you acknowledged and decided to add Giyom and place them corresponding to your 5 star system and their eras in the pro gaming scene as best I cloud (kind of tired): 5 Stars - The Very Best Giyom (Grrrr...) Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR) Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov) Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa) Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr) Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong) Lee Young-Ho (Flash) 4 Stars Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw) Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs) Kang Min (Nal_rA) Park Sung-joon (July) Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu) Song Byung-gu (Stork) 3 Stars Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto) Park Jung Suk (Reach) Lee Jae Hoon (fOru) Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom) Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime) Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt) Jung Myung Hoon (Fantasy) 2 Stars Kim Ku Hyun (Kal) Park Tae Min (GoRush) Jun Sang Wook (Midas) I agree with most of this except here are my changes: Doesn't need Stars Lim Yo-hwan (BoxeR) 5 Stars - The Very Best Giyom (Grrrr...) Choi Yeon-Sung (iloveoov) Lee Yun-yeol (NaDa) Ma Jae-yoon (sAviOr) Lee Jae-Dong (Jaedong) Lee Young-Ho (Flash) Hong Jin-Ho (YellOw) 4 Stars Seo Ji-hoon (XellOs) Kang Min (Nal_rA) Park Sung-joon (July) Kim Taek-Yong (Bisu) Song Byung-gu (Stork) 3 Stars Kim Dong-Soo (Garimto) Lee Jae Hoon (fOru) Park Yong-Wook (Kingdom) Oh Yeong Jong (AnyTime) Kim Jung Woo (EffOrt) Jung Myung Hoon (Fantasy) 2 Stars Kim Ku Hyun (Kal) Park Tae Min (GoRush) Jun Sang Wook (Midas) Man Stars Park Jung Suk (Reach) | ||
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excal
Canada166 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
On March 31 2011 13:40 hacklebeast wrote: I would say that after oov and boxer, flash is very close to nada for third, and definitely ahead of JD and Bisu. JD's sucess comes far more from his mechanics and game sense than strategy. He really has just been continuing on with Savior's strats, who copied them from july and so on. Because others can't copy his insane micro (or at least its not something that can be learned simply by watching him) he hasn't made that large of an impact in that area. And he has been equally successful to flash so far. The bisu build and the perfection of Forge FE certainly is important, but Bisu's strategic contributions is hampered by two things. First that While it is probably the single most important contribution to modern PvZ, he has done nothing for any other matchup, while Flash's 14cc (along with his other contributions) have had impact on all terran MUs. The second is that Bisu didn't invent it, he just perfected it. Danzen was working on it before him, along with a few others like Best. It was a matter of time before it was perfected, and while Bisu deserves a lot of credit, he just made what was going to happen happen faster. You failed to realize that this thread is about influence. And Bisu certainly was the most influential protoss when it came to popularizing amazing PvZ builds. And being the most influential of your race puts you really high up with Boxer and Nada. And while you can argue certain terran and zerg players did more all around, no one has done more then Bisu for protoss. So that is why he merits perfect stars. | ||
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Terranator
Canada286 Posts
 V-Gundam is another older player that exerted some influence on the game. The Gundam rush formed the basis of TvP in its prime and later was evolved into the FD build. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On March 31 2011 14:22 BisuDagger wrote: You failed to realize that this thread is about influence. And Bisu certainly was the most influential protoss when it came to popularizing amazing PvZ builds. And being the most influential of your race puts you really high up with Boxer and Nada. And while you can argue certain terran and zerg players did more all around, no one has done more then Bisu for protoss. So that is why he merits perfect stars. No one has ever done, or will ever do, anything that puts them close to boxer. Bisu has done one thing for one matchup that others had done before him. Just because protoss has less significant figures than terran doesn't diminish what the terrans did. I agree that he is the most important protoss, but there is no rule that the three most influential people must be from each of the three races. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
2-IloveOov 3-NaDa 4-SaviOr 5-FlasH 5-Jaedong 7-YellOw 4-Stars 8-July 9-Bisu 10-Fantasy 11-Xellos 12Nal_ra 13-Anytime 3Stars Stork Kingdom Hot Forever ForU 2Stars Casy Chojja GGplay GoRush Grrr | ||
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JMave
Singapore1806 Posts
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loafmaster
United States203 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 31 2011 14:43 Terranator wrote: I'm surprised it took so long for Guillame Patry to be mentioned, definitely 5 stars. V-Gundam is another older player that exerted some influence on the game. The Gundam rush formed the basis of TvP in its prime and later was evolved into the FD build.This guy's right. Bamboo builds used to be so popular and Gundam should definitely be on the list as well. | ||
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