• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:58
CEST 12:58
KST 19:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Rollback Netcode in Brood War615.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202621Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)78
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)
Tourneys
RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups $3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion TL Sidebar missing streams ChatGPT cheats at StarSkirmish SCAI tournament Rollback Netcode in Brood War [ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7509 users

SC:BW AI Defeats WCG competitor

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 02:27:12
January 19 2011 17:19 GMT
#1
Pretty insane article I just came across on pcgamer's website, found here



More information about it can be found at the following: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/skynet-meets-the-swarm-how-the-berkeley-overmind-won-the-2010-starcraft-ai-competition.ars/

Note: The ARS link directly above was actually written by the participants of the Berkeley AI Team.


So what do you guys think? AI becoming self-aware?


Edit:

More ridiculousness as the Bot evolves found here: http://eis-blog.ucsc.edu/2010/10/starcraft-ai-competition-results
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 19 2011 17:23 GMT
#2
No surprise here. A computer does not suffer from strains of the fingers and perfect microing is no problem for it either.

Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 19 2011 17:23 GMT
#3
Hm I've seen the AI's and they are really susceptible to abuse of all kinds.Still impressive though.

I wonder, who is Oriol Vinyals? Aka?
popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:30:14
January 19 2011 17:24 GMT
#4
JulyZerg once said:
"If one could perform perfect micro, Zerg would be the strongest race"

Proof to July's words?

I'd like to see it's Muta micro. And how it copes with unusual strategies.

On January 20 2011 02:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?

'Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine' was one, though probably not the only one:

What what the the fuck fuck? That blew my mind so much, I doubled every word in the phrase 'What the fuck' to get: 'What what the the fuck fuck my what the the fuck fucking what did the drop dropship medivac where in the what in the hell?' - Day[9]
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
January 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#5
Hmm, this seems to be the conclusion to the story found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165496

Doesn't look like they could find out his aka back then either.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51626 Posts
January 19 2011 17:28 GMT
#6
For the Future of Humanity......this AI must die.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 19 2011 17:29 GMT
#7
On January 20 2011 02:27 Ichabod wrote:
Hmm, this seems to be the conclusion to the story found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165496

Doesn't look like they could find out his aka back then either.

Yeah he can't possibly have been #1 spanish player at any point in time, that's for sure.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 19 2011 17:29 GMT
#8
I wouldn't call ''Oriol'' a progamer. But this is pretty cool stuff. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#9
On January 20 2011 02:24 popzags wrote:
Show nested quote +
JulyZerg once said:
"If one could perform perfect micro, Zerg would be the strongest race"

Proof to July's words?

I'd like to see it's Muta micro. And how it copes with unusual strategies.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 02:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?

'Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine' was one, though probably not the only one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9UMt-8gfW8


Yep that's it!

The trailer's a bit... over the top, but the foundation is there!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
January 19 2011 17:32 GMT
#10
Is that Sucker? He was really godd at his time, but i don't think he played much the last years.
Can't really think of other good terrans from spain right now. So i kinda doubt the top16 europe^^
aka DTF-ZeRo
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
January 19 2011 17:32 GMT
#11
Awesome article.
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
January 19 2011 17:33 GMT
#12
did the AI use a neural net processor?
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#13
I came instantly when I saw the simultaneous 20 mutas dance.

Seriously, great reading there ! It could lead to new way of training against a specific strategy. In the IA fields alone it's a great achievement.
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#14
On January 20 2011 02:32 IPS.ZeRo wrote:
Is that Sucker? He was really godd at his time, but i don't think he played much the last years.
Can't really think of other good terrans from spain right now. So i kinda doubt the top16 europe^^


it could also been another player like Zelotito offracing
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:35:26
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#15
I just read the article. Nowhere does it mention that the Berkeley bot was beating progamers. Misleading title or am I missing something?

Edit: Oic Oriol is a person not a bot.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:38:40
January 19 2011 17:36 GMT
#16
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44373 Posts
January 19 2011 17:37 GMT
#17
I really doubt it beat anyone notable. Title would be more accurate if it said "computer successfully executes a basic muta rush build order".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
FalconPunchsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:43:24
January 19 2011 17:42 GMT
#18
On January 20 2011 02:36 Jibba wrote:
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.


Hmmm... well hes pro for the foreigner scene.... so its not mis-leading at all.. or are you saying no foriegner's are not pro enough?
thanks.
Born to B
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44373 Posts
January 19 2011 17:44 GMT
#19
On January 20 2011 02:42 FalconPunchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 02:36 Jibba wrote:
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.


Hmmm... well hes pro for the foreigner scene.... so its not mis-leading at all.. or are you saying no foriegner's are not pro enough?
thanks.

Progamer has a specific meaning, the only progamers in the foreign scene were Draco, Ret and Nony briefly and Idra.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
January 19 2011 17:44 GMT
#20
On January 20 2011 02:37 KwarK wrote:
I really doubt it beat anyone notable. Title would be more accurate if it said "computer successfully executes a basic muta rush build order".


But it's not just a muta rush build order. If you read the article it's a lot more sophisticated than that. It adapts itself to early rushes and does not follow a fixed build at all. More importantly, the muta micro is far more advanced than any human player could execute. The whole muta flock either clumps or spreads in response to different threats.

This AI uses a technique that is out of reach of humans. It is interesting to note that the AI that came second also uses a technique that humans would never be able to execute: SCVs are used throughout the battlefield to repair tanks and goliaths.

I could easily see AI one day beating 'real' progamers because they are not constrained by speed.
1 2 3 4 5 7 8 9 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19:00
Weekly #150 (SHIN Mod Edition)
herO vs HackErIsTopLIVE!
ByuN vs TBD
TBD vs Classic
CranKy Ducklings120
SHIN 57
CranKy Ducklings SOOP49
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 252
ByuN 247
mouzHeroMarine 206
SHIN 57
MindelVK 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49941
Calm 9593
Rain 2802
FanTaSy 1022
soO 978
BeSt 848
Bisu 657
Stork 374
Soulkey 324
Soma 287
[ Show more ]
Rush 221
firebathero 206
Last 138
Pusan 84
Mind 75
Light 66
Snow 60
Sexy 54
ToSsGirL 53
Shinee 45
Sharp 37
Killer 29
hero 25
Mong 25
Trap 23
Sacsri 20
Hm[arnc] 20
HiyA 18
yabsab 17
sorry 16
zelot 16
Shine 15
Terrorterran 12
Noble 8
IntoTheRainbow 5
scan(afreeca) 4
Dota 2
Gorgc7118
League of Legends
Reynor65
Counter-Strike
byalli681
x6flipin197
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King93
Other Games
gofns27674
singsing1869
Pyrionflax231
Chillindude9
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV228
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 62
• Gemini_19 2
• Dystopia_ 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV418
League of Legends
• Jankos3410
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
4h 2m
BSL Open Qualifier
8h 2m
BSL Open Qualifier
8h 2m
OSC
12h 2m
OSC
1d 1h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Online Event
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
BSL Open Qualifier
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.