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SC:BW AI Defeats WCG competitor

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StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-20 02:27:12
January 19 2011 17:19 GMT
#1
Pretty insane article I just came across on pcgamer's website, found here



More information about it can be found at the following: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/01/skynet-meets-the-swarm-how-the-berkeley-overmind-won-the-2010-starcraft-ai-competition.ars/

Note: The ARS link directly above was actually written by the participants of the Berkeley AI Team.


So what do you guys think? AI becoming self-aware?


Edit:

More ridiculousness as the Bot evolves found here: http://eis-blog.ucsc.edu/2010/10/starcraft-ai-competition-results
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 19 2011 17:23 GMT
#2
No surprise here. A computer does not suffer from strains of the fingers and perfect microing is no problem for it either.

Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 19 2011 17:23 GMT
#3
Hm I've seen the AI's and they are really susceptible to abuse of all kinds.Still impressive though.

I wonder, who is Oriol Vinyals? Aka?
popzags
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:30:14
January 19 2011 17:24 GMT
#4
JulyZerg once said:
"If one could perform perfect micro, Zerg would be the strongest race"

Proof to July's words?

I'd like to see it's Muta micro. And how it copes with unusual strategies.

On January 20 2011 02:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?

'Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine' was one, though probably not the only one:

What what the the fuck fuck? That blew my mind so much, I doubled every word in the phrase 'What the fuck' to get: 'What what the the fuck fuck my what the the fuck fucking what did the drop dropship medivac where in the what in the hell?' - Day[9]
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
January 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#5
Hmm, this seems to be the conclusion to the story found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165496

Doesn't look like they could find out his aka back then either.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
January 19 2011 17:28 GMT
#6
For the Future of Humanity......this AI must die.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
January 19 2011 17:29 GMT
#7
On January 20 2011 02:27 Ichabod wrote:
Hmm, this seems to be the conclusion to the story found here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165496

Doesn't look like they could find out his aka back then either.

Yeah he can't possibly have been #1 spanish player at any point in time, that's for sure.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 19 2011 17:29 GMT
#8
I wouldn't call ''Oriol'' a progamer. But this is pretty cool stuff. ^__^
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 19 2011 17:30 GMT
#9
On January 20 2011 02:24 popzags wrote:
Show nested quote +
JulyZerg once said:
"If one could perform perfect micro, Zerg would be the strongest race"

Proof to July's words?

I'd like to see it's Muta micro. And how it copes with unusual strategies.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 02:23 Torte de Lini wrote:
Wasn't there a documentary about this supercomputer and chess that played brilliantly against grandmasters?

'Game Over: Kasparov and the Machine' was one, though probably not the only one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9UMt-8gfW8


Yep that's it!

The trailer's a bit... over the top, but the foundation is there!
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IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
January 19 2011 17:32 GMT
#10
Is that Sucker? He was really godd at his time, but i don't think he played much the last years.
Can't really think of other good terrans from spain right now. So i kinda doubt the top16 europe^^
aka DTF-ZeRo
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
January 19 2011 17:32 GMT
#11
Awesome article.
arterian
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1157 Posts
January 19 2011 17:33 GMT
#12
did the AI use a neural net processor?
http://www.twitch.tv/arterian
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#13
I came instantly when I saw the simultaneous 20 mutas dance.

Seriously, great reading there ! It could lead to new way of training against a specific strategy. In the IA fields alone it's a great achievement.
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#14
On January 20 2011 02:32 IPS.ZeRo wrote:
Is that Sucker? He was really godd at his time, but i don't think he played much the last years.
Can't really think of other good terrans from spain right now. So i kinda doubt the top16 europe^^


it could also been another player like Zelotito offracing
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:35:26
January 19 2011 17:34 GMT
#15
I just read the article. Nowhere does it mention that the Berkeley bot was beating progamers. Misleading title or am I missing something?

Edit: Oic Oriol is a person not a bot.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:38:40
January 19 2011 17:36 GMT
#16
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43203 Posts
January 19 2011 17:37 GMT
#17
I really doubt it beat anyone notable. Title would be more accurate if it said "computer successfully executes a basic muta rush build order".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
FalconPunchsc2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-19 17:43:24
January 19 2011 17:42 GMT
#18
On January 20 2011 02:36 Jibba wrote:
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.


Hmmm... well hes pro for the foreigner scene.... so its not mis-leading at all.. or are you saying no foriegner's are not pro enough?
thanks.
Born to B
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43203 Posts
January 19 2011 17:44 GMT
#19
On January 20 2011 02:42 FalconPunchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2011 02:36 Jibba wrote:
An impressive bot, no doubt, but hugely misleading title. Especially when we're talking about BW and the thresh hold of "pro gamer" is a lot higher.

The arstechnica article is pretty awesome though.


Hmmm... well hes pro for the foreigner scene.... so its not mis-leading at all.. or are you saying no foriegner's are not pro enough?
thanks.

Progamer has a specific meaning, the only progamers in the foreign scene were Draco, Ret and Nony briefly and Idra.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
theSAiNT
Profile Joined July 2009
United States726 Posts
January 19 2011 17:44 GMT
#20
On January 20 2011 02:37 KwarK wrote:
I really doubt it beat anyone notable. Title would be more accurate if it said "computer successfully executes a basic muta rush build order".


But it's not just a muta rush build order. If you read the article it's a lot more sophisticated than that. It adapts itself to early rushes and does not follow a fixed build at all. More importantly, the muta micro is far more advanced than any human player could execute. The whole muta flock either clumps or spreads in response to different threats.

This AI uses a technique that is out of reach of humans. It is interesting to note that the AI that came second also uses a technique that humans would never be able to execute: SCVs are used throughout the battlefield to repair tanks and goliaths.

I could easily see AI one day beating 'real' progamers because they are not constrained by speed.
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